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hows the ape do work xequence for sequencing the auv3 inside it!?
Maybe he could do it without breaking sessions not sure, I'm not sure Alessandro would want to do it otherwise. It might risk annoying a lot of users who suddenly found their sessions stopped loading.
It would help if the midi Audio units were loaded only on the midi matrices as these take up valuable space on the audio matrix. Like AUM used to have similar.
It seems like defaulted to three, and then you could add more with a plus button, maybe it wouldn’t break existing sessions. I dunno.
Is it possible to record loops the same way as AUM?
Yeah that would be great if possible, just the underlying coding I’m not aware of the implications. I just remember him discussing the difficulties when adding three matrices from 1, but maybe now it’s easier.
Is there any disadvantage to simply running two instances of Ape Matrix in AUM?
Ok, I've thought about this "only 3 matrix" complaint before. And then I think about how often I don't even use all of one matrix. With the ability to now send multi-outs to a second matrix, I'm now using 2 matrix setups every time (I've had it for awhile in beta). And yet I STILL don't run out of channels. When I actually do use 3 matrixes it's only because I'm being nerdy to see how much "the ol' enterprise will take captain!"
How many of you who use apeMatrix regularly actually hit a brick wall and run out of matrixes with only 3 to work with?
I've even got more channels to work with because you can add your limiter, etc. to end of each matrix grouping on another screen. And you can utilize 2 effects busses throughout.
Seems like you'd really have to be intentionally trying to push the edge to actually run out of ports to use.
Other than that it’s impossible, no.
ApeMatrix isn’t an AU, so it can only have one instance running. AUv3 apps can have multiple instances, but they can’t host other plugins. Since ApeMatrix is a host, it can’t be an AU, and can only have one instance running at a time.
Haha, OK! I had just done a quick search and thought I read that it could be used as an AU. So there no cases where hosts can be used as AUs? Is there something impossible about this in general or is it possible in theory at least?
Nope, there are no cases where an AUv3 app can host other plugins. It’s just a hard limitation of iOS architecture.
ApeMatrix comes with some free AUv3 utilities that can be used in other hosts. But those are AU plugins. I’m guessing that’s where the confusion came in from what you read.
(BTW, so I don’t have to look up the other thread ... Update on the MPE MUX Mozaic script. Gonna take me a little longer than I expected due to an issue I ran into.)
Ah thanks for the update！Good luck with it Wim
It’s quite often I can run out of space especially if I use a lot of midi filters as these also take up audio slots and if you are using a lot of multi ports too...Of course it’s great as it is and I can just use AUM if I need a bigger matrix or more audio ports.
eh ? 😎
No reason it wouldn’t work any better or worse than AUM. It’s just midi.
Curious... how well does your iPad run with 3 completely full matrix grids?
I don't usually use that many at once. And I often just use the same instance for multiple channels... or the 2 audio busses for effects to free up more slots.
Nothing wrong with wanting a little plus button to add another matrix if a user needed. Though I can't imagine needing another grid myself.
ok i just was not sure if it was routeable but i assumed it would be at least
Routing external MIDI isn’t quite as intuitive as routing AU stuff is in Ape Matrix, but once you get it, it’s just as easy as AUM.
i just real sized that i have no idea what i’m doing in this matrix 🤣🤣 i was able to get the keyboard to play bleass but that’sas far as i’ve gotten yet
Depends on the AUs really..it’s usually the fx of midi filters and audio fx which add up and don’t add much to the cpu eg lots of mosaic filters etc. I regularly run 30 to 40 audio units in an AUM session.
Ape Matrix is soooo unintuitive if you are used to AUM. It takes a while to wrap your head around for sure. I've dipped in a bunch of times, but I keep coming back to AUM as my definite preference.
In the beginning I might've agreed with this... especially if you're used to the more linear arrangements of typical mixing boards. When I came into it I didn't have to unlearn anything, so it was easier for me to adapt.
After you spend enough time with apeMatrix it becomes clear that it's more efficient with the tablet space and requires much less scrolling around. You also get more of a birds eye view of that you're doing than you get with AUM and AB3.
I love those others too... but I favor the efficient use of space, being able to see everything at once, and the easy to add LFOs of apeMatrix.
so far i’m like wtf is happening 🤣😎 but i love learning new stuff so i’m totally going to dig in... especially if i’m going to sequence it with xequence the over view approach is appropriate... now to figure out midi filtering and where the audiob/ midi fx go
Yes, I can definitely see that the matrix system has some advantages. I still plan to keep going back to ape matrix from time to time to see if I ever get accustomed to it enough to want to switch from AUM.Does the inbuilt lfo modulation have any advantages over, say, using Rozeta lfo in AUM?
MIDI routing isn’t quite so foreign if you just think of AUM’s routing matrix rotated 90 degrees left. Then extend that concept to audio as well.
Having the LFO’s available everywhere is less cluttered than adding individual plugins every time you want one. Modulating parameters or seeing what’s being modulated is just a long-press away rather than needing to route a plugin to the midi control function, dive through a couple of menus, and poke in mappings. I don’t use Ape Matrix that much, but I can definitely appreciate the superb elegance of that part of it.
True, thanks a lot
The reason I would like more grids is for layout of open AU apps on each grid and quick flick between them. This would allow me to have quick access to all the apps I need for live jamming. The most I can really expect on my Air2 is two open apps per matrix. That’s 6 quick access apps - this is limiting at times.
Also, cramming the matrixes up is not the best visual use. Keeping gaps between certain apps or groups of apps makes navigation easier.
Lazy question: Anyone already tried Scatterbrain with the new multi-out? I won't have time until tonight to give it a whirl
Yep - workin' on a video with just that thing 😉
Cool! looking forward to it!
Yes! I used scatterbrain for beta testing the new apeMatrix multiouts. Works perfectly