Korg Gadget: Stockholm by Reason

rs2000

I'm replying to @ashh here...

@ashh said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

I was an Egoist fan too until Korg introduced Stockholm in Gadget. That replaced it for me, never looked back. It's based on rex/rx2 loops though, you either use it with all the free or commercial rex loops available for download or slice your own using propellerhead ReCycle. Certainly not everyone's business but absolutely stunning for what I do. It's like having Spectrasonics Stylus RMX on the iPad.

That's a pretty huge claim. Are you saying that because it uses Rex files? I can honestly say that I've never used any drum machine that has even come close to Stylus.

Yes. Most of what you can do in Stylus RMX can be done with Stockholm too, plus most slice and synthesis parameters can be automated in Gadget, like a different filter type and cutoff value for each slice or using a different MIDI file/clip to re-quantize (time designer) or re-shuffle (drag&drop MIDI) any sliced material.

I bought it after you said this and I can see what you mean. One of the major features of Stylus for me is the effects panel. Absolutely amazing. Stockholm has this too. I can't work out how to preview the samples all together though, I have ended up putting them into the piano roll one by one, which I'm sure isn't right. Is there a way to do this? You know like with Stylus's Multis where you can choose different samples and then choose which ones are playing? Is there a way to do that in Stockholm?

• You can preview the whole loop already before you import, hit the play button next to the file name
• You can preview slices on the REX page by simply tapping on them. If you have a very long or busy loop, double-tap on the Stockholm logo to increase the viewport size.
• On the REX page, you can also set different properties for each slice by hitting the orange Pitch/Pan/Level/Decay/Rev... functions shown under the loop waveform

• The MIDI drag & drop function of Stylus RMX is here:
  

• Here, you can select which of the up to 8 loops is triggered by the current MIDI notes in the pattern:
  

• And here you can load up to 8 loops. Hit buttons 1..8 to do slice adjustments without activating the loop yet:
  

Finally, to change the sound of one slice (sample), you do that inside the piano roll.
Gadget will let you preview the new slice even without the transport running, and moving the note to a different slice using +/- will keep the original timing too.
Oh, and you can also select multiple notes (like the snare on 3, 7, 11, 15) and move them all together.

ashh

Your work on that post is very much appreciated, @rs2000. It has definitely moved me further towards getting my head around Stockholm on Gadget 2. I'm off to have a faff.

ashh

@ashh said:
Your work on that post is very much appreciated, @rs2000. It has definitely moved me further towards getting my head around Stockholm on Gadget 2. I'm off to have a faff.

Just realised that you have replied in the correct thread. I didn't actually think to Google it. I learn that lesson, the Google it one, a few times a week.

ashh

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

rs2000

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

Sandstorm

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

rs2000

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Sandstorm

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Thanks.
So Do I need to have Reason to get REX files or are there other options?

rs2000

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Thanks.
So Do I need to have Reason to get REX files or are there other options?

Either Reason or their ReCycle software to create your own, or the many free and commercial sources.
I'm using ReCycle to create my own RX2 files, but I only do that maybe once or twice a year - creating a set of loops and custom instruments that I can use in my own compositions.

Sandstorm

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Thanks.
So Do I need to have Reason to get REX files or are there other options?

Either Reason or their ReCycle software to create your own, or the many free and commercial sources.
I'm using ReCycle to create my own RX2 files, but I only do that maybe once or twice a year - creating a set of loops and custom instruments that I can use in my own compositions.

Thanks for the info!

Model10000

@rs2000 very informative, thank you.

Have some old rx.2 I’ve made over the years, but given how much I open Gadget, I’m wondering if I’d end up using Stockholm. The preview of rx.2 can only be done with already imported rx.2 that are in Gadget right, or can files be previewed from the Files app, Dropbox, or iCloud? If it’s only already imported files, is there ability to have folders in the gadget directory, or ideally folders and subfolders?

Has to be asked, flexi sampler in Drambo isn’t going to obsolete this now or soon right? Cheers

GrimLucky

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Thanks.
So Do I need to have Reason to get REX files or are there other options?

Either Reason or their ReCycle software to create your own, or the many free and commercial sources.
I'm using ReCycle to create my own RX2 files, but I only do that maybe once or twice a year - creating a set of loops and custom instruments that I can use in my own compositions.

Thanks for the info!

Plugin Boutique is currently giving away a copy of Reason Lite with any purchase if you want to make your own Rx2s

https://www.pluginboutique.com/

Sandstorm

@GrimLucky said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@Sandstorm said:

@rs2000 said:

@ashh said:

@Munibeast said:
There doesn't seem to be a way to just have the loop playing without writing it into the track. Weird. Surely I'm missing something here. In reason you can just press play in Dr. Rex.

This is what I was talking about when I said that I can preview the loops i.e. all 8 together playing at the same time, in Stylus but it doesn't seem to be an option in Stockholm. Do you know if that's the case, @rs2000?

In Gadget, you would load 8 Stockholms on 8 tracks. Swedes prefer to meet outside.

With Stockholm can you only import REX files? and it's not a sampler just a sample player?

Exactly.

Thanks.
So Do I need to have Reason to get REX files or are there other options?

Either Reason or their ReCycle software to create your own, or the many free and commercial sources.
I'm using ReCycle to create my own RX2 files, but I only do that maybe once or twice a year - creating a set of loops and custom instruments that I can use in my own compositions.

Thanks for the info!

Plugin Boutique is currently giving away a copy of Reason Lite with any purchase if you want to make your own Rx2s

https://www.pluginboutique.com/

Thanks for the heads up!

rs2000

@Model10000 said:
@rs2000 very informative, thank you.

Have some old rx.2 I’ve made over the years, but given how much I open Gadget, I’m wondering if I’d end up using Stockholm. The preview of rx.2 can only be done with already imported rx.2 that are in Gadget right, or can files be previewed from the Files app, Dropbox, or iCloud? If it’s only already imported files, is there ability to have folders in the gadget directory, or ideally folders and subfolders?

Has to be asked, flexi sampler in Drambo isn’t going to obsolete this now or soon right? Cheers

Stockholm has breathed new life into my REX collection, it's one of the reasons why I go back to Gadget quite often.

Flexi can slice but you'll have to build quite a large patch if you wanted to do all the tricks that Stockholm offers in a straightforward and customised UI. And Drambo's Sequencer is not yet ready for doing the groove tricks that are easy to do in Gadget, don't forget that Stockholm and the sequencer plus automation have to go hand in hand.

ashh

@rs2000 said:

@Model10000 said:
@rs2000 very informative, thank you.

Have some old rx.2 I’ve made over the years, but given how much I open Gadget, I’m wondering if I’d end up using Stockholm. The preview of rx.2 can only be done with already imported rx.2 that are in Gadget right, or can files be previewed from the Files app, Dropbox, or iCloud? If it’s only already imported files, is there ability to have folders in the gadget directory, or ideally folders and subfolders?

Has to be asked, flexi sampler in Drambo isn’t going to obsolete this now or soon right? Cheers

Stockholm has breathed new life into my REX collection, it's one of the reasons why I go back to Gadget quite often.

Flexi can slice but you'll have to build quite a large patch if you wanted to do all the tricks that Stockholm offers in a straightforward and customised UI. And Drambo's Sequencer is not yet ready for doing the groove tricks that are easy to do in Gadget, don't forget that Stockholm and the sequencer plus automation have to go hand in hand.

Nice one for all the info. I've just spent the last hour tracking down some rex files.

Model10000

@rs2000 good points there. Import is individual file, piece by piece, and there’s no folder ability in the user section correct? I’ll probably pick it up on sale either way as it will make me by more selective what I put in it.

R_2

@Model10000 said:
@rs2000 there’s no folder ability in the user section correct?

Gadget supports (sub)folders in the user section.

Samu

@R_2 said:

@Model10000 said:
@rs2000 there’s no folder ability in the user section correct?

Gadget supports (sub)folders in the user section.

And those sub-folders have to be created using Files.app if I remember correctly...

R_2

@Samu said:

@R_2 said:

@Model10000 said:
@rs2000 there’s no folder ability in the user section correct?

Gadget supports (sub)folders in the user section.

And those sub-folders have to be created using Files.app if I remember correctly...

You can also create new folder in the browser (arrow in circle).
But for this case, importing multiple rex files, the folders can be imported by using Files.app.

This thread makes me want to play with Stockholm again. But I haven’t even fully checked out all the nice sounds in Fairbanks IAPs

dannysteel

Is it still the case you need to make your own Rex/Rex2 files in Reason/Recycle? Is there no IOS app to convert .Wav to Rex?

eross

so i don’t have reason or recycle. are there any ios apps that slice up samples to rex files? if not is there anything on desktop that can do this?
also is there a place to buy rex files ?

rs2000

@dannysteel, @eross Yes, ReCycle and Reason still seem to be the only way to create REX (RX2, in fact) files. No iOS app that does this as far as I know. I'm still using an old ReCycle version sometimes.

Yes there are many places to buy REX files, a number of commercial sample library producers have products that include REX files.
Searching for
sample library "rex"
on google should show you enough results, like:
https://vstbuzz.com/store/96-off-ultimate-rmx-30k-bundle-worth-2400/ (make sure you select "REX", not "RMX")
https://www.loopmasters.com/formats/7-Rex2
https://www.bigfishaudio.com/REX-Format
https://www.sampleoidz.co.uk/collections/rex
https://samples-now.com/REX Files/REXFileStore/
https://www.futureloops.com/format/index/format-rex.php
https://zero-g.co.uk/collections/rex
https://www.lootaudio.com/category/sample-packs/digitalredux/planet-rex-music

Edit: There's also a number of free downloads for a start.
https://rhythm-lab.com/ (search for Format = Rex2, they also have free loops)

eross

@rs2000 said:
@dannysteel, @eross Yes, ReCycle and Reason still seem to be the only way to create REX (RX2, in fact) files. No iOS app that does this as far as I know. I'm still using an old ReCycle version sometimes.

Yes there are many places to buy REX files, a number of commercial sample library producers have products that include REX files.
Searching for
sample library "rex"
on google should show you enough results, like:
https://vstbuzz.com/store/96-off-ultimate-rmx-30k-bundle-worth-2400/
https://www.loopmasters.com/formats/7-Rex2
https://www.bigfishaudio.com/REX-Format
https://www.sampleoidz.co.uk/collections/rex
https://samples-now.com/REX Files/REXFileStore/
https://www.futureloops.com/format/index/format-rex.php
https://zero-g.co.uk/collections/rex
https://www.lootaudio.com/category/sample-packs/digitalredux/planet-rex-music

very cool thanks

dannysteel

rs200 many thanks for the clarification,much appreciated.

One more problem im having is getting the Rex files ive got in Audioshare into Stockholm

.Doug did a video a few years back but it seems that doesnt work anymore.I get as far as the popup which offers me Factory,Local or Cloud but none of these seems to see my Audioshare folders.Very strange.

It seems by the comments in video a few people are having similar issues importing into Stockholm.

Any help most gratefully received,thank you

dannysteel

^ cont

Ok,now when i tap on one of the 8 sample location boxes in Stockholm it offers me Factory,Local and Cloud.Apparenly i should be clicking Local and should see my Audioshare Rex samples but i dont.The options it gives me are Create Folder or Sort and nothing else.

Im very puzzled,any help would be awesome thank you.

rs2000

@dannysteel said:
^ cont

Ok,now when i tap on one of the 8 sample location boxes in Stockholm it offers me Factory,Local and Cloud.Apparenly i should be clicking Local and should see my Audioshare Rex samples but i dont.The options it gives me are Create Folder or Sort and nothing else.

Im very puzzled,any help would be awesome thank you.

Indeed I've just tried making my RX2 files from Gadget available in the Stockholm AUv3 without success. I can create folders but it seems like these are in the AUv3 app sandbox that cannot be accessed from the outside.
Can anyone help?
Or do we have to wait for a fix from Korg?

dannysteel

rs200 ^

Yeah it’s infuriating especially when you see Dougs video drom a few years back where its an elegant and straightforward process.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=358&v=AXc9xhwBYsA&embeds_referring_euri=https://forum.audiob.us/&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

Seems even then people were struggling with this looking at the comments.

rs2000

@dannysteel said:
rs200 ^

Yeah it’s infuriating especially when you see Dougs video drom a few years back where its an elegant and straightforward process.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=358&v=AXc9xhwBYsA&embeds_referring_euri=https://forum.audiob.us/&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

Seems even then people were struggling with this looking at the comments.

The Gadget folder with all custom rx2 loops is exposed in the Files app but it seems like Korg have missed to make them available in the AUv3.

dannysteel

Ive just fired off a query to Korg IOS support,I’ll post any response i get in here

R_2

@dannysteel said:
^ cont

Ok,now when i tap on one of the 8 sample location boxes in Stockholm it offers me Factory,Local and Cloud.Apparenly i should be clicking Local and should see my Audioshare Rex samples but i dont.The options it gives me are Create Folder or Sort and nothing else.

Previous version of Gadget had a “import from others” option when hitting the arrow. Don’t see it in version 3.
But for Stockholm inside Gadget you have to move the Rex files to the Gadget map. I just tested it (used the Files app), i could then select it from Stockholm local menu.

Don’t know about the AUv3, haven’t used that.