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  • @Breezee said:
    Aimed at loops as steps? Man, I must be dense. Can you link to me a video where Quantum is used to start loops as steps? Please. This sounds awesome.

    The manual describes using it to power other synths, such as Moog Model D, which isn’t a loop driven app. Each step is defined by the note you program it to play, So, to me it seems as it is aimed at pre-programming steps to play synths, not loops.

    Also, where is the “drawing” taking place that you describe? Are you meaning you use the sliders to adjust pitch, and other parameters? Doesn’t seem like drawing to me, but drawing has never been my forte’

    Would love some guidance though on the above discussion on how to better utilize its features.

    Not sure where this came from? Is this a Quantum question or a Photon one?

  • @Breezee said:

    @midiSequencer said:

    @Breezee said:
    This is right up my alley. Looks much more intuitive for the uneducated musician like me. Quantum, I can tell is powerful but overwhelms me due to complexity. I have no music theory background, I just love making beats. Can we trade in on this to fit our style?

    its quantum - just pick a scale & draw - no music theory needed! But its aimed at loops as steps. This app is aimed a recording realtime.

    Still looking for a response. . . . . . . .

    if you mean the question 'Can we trade in on this to fit our style?' - Quantum is aimed at drawing scaled notes & playing them (with heavy modification in realtime) in a step wise manner.

    Photon is a recorder - it records any midi you throw at it. But then you can load it into one of 4 pads & trigger/loop/transpose/tempo adjust them. There is also a step recorder (you set song position & record notes/chords). Also there is the ability to load a midi file as a groove an apply that (note beat positions say) to another midi file (e.g. one you just recorded).

    So no 'style' in Photon - but with the Groove it would suit more regular pattern music (e.g. use velocity scaling on a groove to create a trance gate effect, or shift the pad start position to play a different set of midi messages)

  • @RajahP said:
    Yep, the wait is torture.. :'(

    I took a break since I didn't complete this for Thanksgiving. Back on it now though to get this out before xmas :) I'm just running through my final bug list, have some AU automation to add then its over to the beta team.

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @RajahP said:
    Yep, the wait is torture.. :'(

    I took a break since I didn't complete this for Thanksgiving. Back on it now though to get this out before xmas :) I'm just running through my final bug list, have some AU automation to add then its over to the beta team.

    Hope you enjoyed your break and very much looking forward to the birth of the baby!

  • Great, this will be a Christmas treat worth waiting for :)

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @recccp said:
    @midiSequencer
    Maybe it's been asked/answered before...
    How will it handle midi channels?
    Ch/instance, ch/pad or omni/pad (so 4x16 in single instance)?

    Midi channels are just recorded directly to the midi file format. You can filter out recording to just one midi channel or record all. so yes 4 pads x 16 channels.

    Later I might add an option to split channels to tracks & manipulate the recorded midi file more.

    Pads will be controlled using AU Parameters (complete set per pad). AUM allows midi CC or note mapping to these, so this is the easiest way to control them.

    Wow... wasn't expecting that... one instance can hold 4 'scenes' of full arrangement of 16 instruments with automation. Can be used for quick improv and printing whole songs. Very nice! Thanks!

  • @recccp said:
    Wow... wasn't expecting that... one instance can hold 4 'scenes' of full arrangement of 16 instruments with automation. Can be used for quick improv and printing whole songs. Very nice! Thanks!

    its basically 4 midi files being played together but you control the start position & duration so for example you could work with midi files consisting of many sections and control which section gets played. Then you have 4 of these - the pads.

    tbh I'd finished the midi record ages ago- the main purpose of the app - its the pads thats taking the time.

  • Every time I read about this the more I feel it's going to be essential.

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @RajahP said:
    Yep, the wait is torture.. :'(

    I took a break since I didn't complete this for Thanksgiving. Back on it now though to get this out before xmas :) I'm just running through my final bug list, have some AU automation to add then its over to the beta team.

    Cool.. all the best.. B)

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @recccp said:
    Wow... wasn't expecting that... one instance can hold 4 'scenes' of full arrangement of 16 instruments with automation. Can be used for quick improv and printing whole songs. Very nice! Thanks!

    its basically 4 midi files being played together but you control the start position & duration so for example you could work with midi files consisting of many sections and control which section gets played. Then you have 4 of these - the pads.

    tbh I'd finished the midi record ages ago- the main purpose of the app - its the pads thats taking the time.

    Sure, take your time, it's not like you hold the last piece of complete modular madness in AUM :smiley:
    But seriously, if you require more beta testers I'm definitely interested. Recently revisited my Lemur controller for AUM jamming, put in a bunch of goodies for live tweaking and rozeta and left some space for Photon, so can't wait to finally meet it in person :)

  • @midiSequencer so the most exciting app of 2018 yet to be released IMOP. Have you decided on the name? price, release date etc...

  • @[Deleted User] said:
    @midiSequencer so the most exciting app of 2018 yet to be released IMOP. Have you decided on the name? price, release date etc...

    I can’t decide if its this one or Drambo that I am more excited over. But it is definitely one of the two. I think I need another screen shot or demo video fix. :#

  • Drambo isnt that a myth ?

  • @kinkujin said:
    Every time I read about this the more I feel it's going to be essential.

    H> @[Deleted User] said:

    @midiSequencer so the most exciting app of 2018 yet to be released IMOP. Have you decided on the name? price, release date etc...

    App name is Photon, price will be £4.99, release date - still before xmas(just finishing last bugs & tweaking layout)

  • @JudgeDredd said:

    @[Deleted User] said:
    @midiSequencer so the most exciting app of 2018 yet to be released IMOP. Have you decided on the name? price, release date etc...

    I can’t decide if its this one or Drambo that I am more excited over. But it is definitely one of the two. I think I need another screen shot or demo video fix. :#

    I aim to do a video before my release.

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @Breezee said:
    Aimed at loops as steps? Man, I must be dense. Can you link to me a video where Quantum is used to start loops as steps? Please. This sounds awesome.

    The manual describes using it to power other synths, such as Moog Model D, which isn’t a loop driven app. Each step is defined by the note you program it to play, So, to me it seems as it is aimed at pre-programming steps to play synths, not loops.

    Also, where is the “drawing” taking place that you describe? Are you meaning you use the sliders to adjust pitch, and other parameters? Doesn’t seem like drawing to me, but drawing has never been my forte’

    Would love some guidance though on the above discussion on how to better utilize its features.

    Not sure where this came from? Is this a Quantum question or a Photon one?

    It was a response and question regarding the description of Quantum in the actual app and manual, versus what you said here on 11/20/18 - How is Quantum aimed at loops as steps?

    Are you saying that quantum is a pattern sequencer, loop sequencer or step sequencer?

    @midiSequencer said:

    @Breezee said:
    This is right up my alley. Looks much more intuitive for the uneducated musician like me. Quantum, I can tell is powerful but overwhelms me due to complexity. I have no music theory background, I just love making beats. Can we trade in on this to fit our style?

    its quantum - just pick a scale & draw - no music theory needed! But its aimed at loops as steps. This app is aimed a recording realtime.

  • @Breezee said:
    It was a response and question regarding the description of Quantum in the actual app and manual, versus what you said here on 11/20/18 - How is Quantum aimed at loops as steps?

    Are you saying that quantum is a pattern sequencer, loop sequencer or step sequencer?

    A loop consists of individual steps(notes/chords etc)...
    It contains looping constructs as
    1) default loop action when you reach the 'end' step depending on the loop type you choose (Fwd, Bounce etc)
    2) applies delayed user actions (transpose, start/end chgs etc) when you loop if cycle button enabled
    3) Has Elektron style triggers (mute or skip steps in a particular loop)
    4) You can define loops in User Actions lists (think of these as Ableton Live follow actions but more powerful)

    So in this way you loop steps

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @Breezee said:
    It was a response and question regarding the description of Quantum in the actual app and manual, versus what you said here on 11/20/18 - How is Quantum aimed at loops as steps?

    Are you saying that quantum is a pattern sequencer, loop sequencer or step sequencer?

    A loop consists of individual steps(notes/chords etc)...
    It contains looping constructs as
    1) default loop action when you reach the 'end' step depending on the loop type you choose (Fwd, Bounce etc)
    2) applies delayed user actions (transpose, start/end chgs etc) when you loop if cycle button enabled
    3) Has Elektron style triggers (mute or skip steps in a particular loop)
    4) You can define loops in User Actions lists (think of these as Ableton Live follow actions but more powerful)

    So in this way you loop steps

    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

  • @Janosax said:
    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

    Yes.

  • @wim said:

    @Janosax said:
    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

    Yes.

    Man that sounds good for AUM!

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    @wim said:

    @Janosax said:
    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

    Yes.

    Man that sounds good for AUM!

    What I’m really hoping is this can record midi from an AudioBus, AUM, or Ape Matrix jam, save it as a preset, then be loaded into Cubasis, etc. and be played back as recorded, bypassing all the screwy midi import challenges from different hosts. From what I understand, this will be possible.

    The magic always seems to happen for me in those jams. I’m less creative in a DAW situation usually. Having something portable, that I can seamlessly take over to another tool is going to be great.

  • Of course, it’s going to be great for live loop jamming as well. B)

  • @wim said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @wim said:

    @Janosax said:
    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

    Yes.

    Man that sounds good for AUM!

    What I’m really hoping is this can record midi from an AudioBus, AUM, or Ape Matrix jam, save it as a preset, then be loaded into Cubasis, etc. and be played back as recorded, bypassing all the screwy midi import challenges from different hosts. From what I understand, this will be possible.

    The magic always seems to happen for me in those jams. I’m less creative in a DAW situation usually. Having something portable, that I can seamlessly take over to another tool is going to be great.

    That sounds so good can’t wait!!!

  • edited December 2018

    @midiSequencer

    This app is becoming a bit like a micro- Ableton session view for midi clips as far as I can see. Since you have follow actions in Quantum so have some code, are there any plans to add follow actions for the pads in the future? you could see the pads as clips, so this would be amazing for workflows.

    Apologies if this has been asked before, but thread getting long now :)

  • @wim said:

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @wim said:

    @Janosax said:
    Can’t remember, will it be able to record CC automations too?

    Yes.

    Man that sounds good for AUM!

    What I’m really hoping is this can record midi from an AudioBus, AUM, or Ape Matrix jam, save it as a preset, then be loaded into Cubasis, etc. and be played back as recorded, bypassing all the screwy midi import challenges from different hosts. From what I understand, this will be possible.

    The magic always seems to happen for me in those jams. I’m less creative in a DAW situation usually. Having something portable, that I can seamlessly take over to another tool is going to be great.

    Any recording (saved locally as a standard midi file) can be shared with other apps using airplay.
    atm there is no midi import (it needs a document server to get files into an AU instance) - but plan on adding that later with the standalone version (which currently just shows the manual). Apple might enable sharing of data with app extensions (AUv3 midi apps are extensions to standalone apps) to make this easier.

    I'm planning on this primarily being a notepad type of app - press record (or automate that) & it records your performance (every midi message except sysex)

  • @Carnbot said:
    @midiSequencer

    This app is becoming a bit like a micro- Ableton session view for midi clips as far as I can see. Since you have follow actions in Quantum so have some code, are there any plans to add follow actions for the pads in the future? you could see the pads as clips, so this would be amazing for workflows.

    Apologies if this has been asked before, but thread getting long now :)

    Not sure how far the clips will go - atm it allows you to add midi you record or have saved (in a midi file in the app).
    I want to allow sync & chain actions on the pads but not necessarily the full set of Quantum follow actions (although it could be done). If the app is well received I'm happy to extend it, but pad playback (loading midi & control) is more difficult in an AU app as it needs to be heavily optimised compared to Quantum say.

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @Carnbot said:
    @midiSequencer

    This app is becoming a bit like a micro- Ableton session view for midi clips as far as I can see. Since you have follow actions in Quantum so have some code, are there any plans to add follow actions for the pads in the future? you could see the pads as clips, so this would be amazing for workflows.

    Apologies if this has been asked before, but thread getting long now :)

    Not sure how far the clips will go - atm it allows you to add midi you record or have saved (in a midi file in the app).
    I want to allow sync & chain actions on the pads but not necessarily the full set of Quantum follow actions (although it could be done). If the app is well received I'm happy to extend it, but pad playback (loading midi & control) is more difficult in an AU app as it needs to be heavily optimised compared to Quantum say.

    Yeah I see. Even a few different actions would go a long way so look forward to seeing where it goes. I'm hoping it will be well received too as it's the kind of AU workflow which we're missing so far :)

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @Carnbot said:
    @midiSequencer

    This app is becoming a bit like a micro- Ableton session view for midi clips as far as I can see. Since you have follow actions in Quantum so have some code, are there any plans to add follow actions for the pads in the future? you could see the pads as clips, so this would be amazing for workflows.

    Apologies if this has been asked before, but thread getting long now :)

    Not sure how far the clips will go - atm it allows you to add midi you record or have saved (in a midi file in the app).
    I want to allow sync & chain actions on the pads but not necessarily the full set of Quantum follow actions (although it could be done). If the app is well received I'm happy to extend it, but pad playback (loading midi & control) is more difficult in an AU app as it needs to be heavily optimised compared to Quantum say.

    Did you have any update from AUM developer on the ability to have photon working from the effect node on AUM channels?

  • ☝🏼? Wondering the same

  • @[Deleted User] said:
    Did you have any update from AUM developer on the ability to have photon working from the effect node on AUM channels?

    Not asked yet - will do so now

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