More info about USB-C and 4GB/ 6GB Memory new iPad Pros

[Deleted User]

Just realize that the 12.9“ maxed out with cellular, the new pencil and the new smart keyboard is close to 2.5k
So great laptop replacement for double the price and way less options if you need a real laptop.
But since the dates for deliver already gone up for 3 weeks it seems to sell again like there is no tomorrow.
What a world!

ricksteruk

@Artmuzz said:

@ricksteruk said:

@Artmuzz said:

I wish Ableton would also support multi touch but there is a brilliant multi touch Ableton controller app available called Yeco. The good thing about Yeco is that it works on the same device as Ableton is installed on so no messing with usb or WiFi. The app is fantastic. I hope the dev updates Yeco to support midi note editing.

Thanks for sharing that! Yeco does look good. I've just been experimenting with Touchable pro which is going pretty well - but the idea of running both Ableton Live and Yeco on the same machine is pretty neat

Is Yeco still being developed? I notice the last post on their website blog is the above video posted in Feb 2017.

Yeah, it’s still being developed AFAIK. The last update was in 2017 which included browser support where vsts, plugins and Ableton instruments can be opened and launched. At the moment I’m using the 14 days demo version but I’m going to wait until there is a sale before I decide to buy the licence which works on three devices.

Is that with a Surface / Sufacebook?

I see that they do a mac version - the idea of a mac mini with a touchscreen is intriguing.

Nubus

@Liquidmantis said:

@Nubus said:
So the Verge says extended display. You need mouse support for extended display.
iOS doesn't have mouse support and will not. So that will not work.

Not necessarily. There was some snippet during the presentation that showed a monitor displaying a photo, which was also on the iPad but the iPad had a toolbar or palette as well. So it could potentially be usable as a non-interactive viewport for larger, uncluttered display.

Oh I see. You could have apps that somehow use this feature. That would be cool.

Hmtx

Yeah, the "no mouse" problem is completely irrelevant, there's so much potential here for developers to dive into.

If:

• the primary device is itself a touch screen
• the secondary "extended display" is showing separate data, not mirroring or sending video only.
• if you are using a screen you are at a desk, and will likely have a keyboard attached

The initial reaction of course: how do you manipulate the data on the second screen?
"we need a mouse!"
"apple fail!"

But if you are looking up at the external screen, you don't need the entire iPad screen for data. What if developers have a small on-screen toggle that switches the iPad into a "touchpad mode" so the iPad acts as a mouse for the external display? Or if an external display is detected, the app switches to show the main app on external display and the iPad displaying an actual mouse touchpad along with supplemental options.

Seriously, imagine an iPad with the right half of the screen acting as a wacom-style Pencil input, the left half of the screen showing all your pallate options, colors, tools, etc. And the actual image being manipulated is on a 24" 4k monitor...

greengrocer

@Hmtx said:
Yeah, the "no mouse" problem is completely irrelevant, there's so much potential here for developers to dive into.

If:

• the primary device is itself a touch screen
• the secondary "extended display" is showing separate data, not mirroring or sending video only.
• if you are using a screen you are at a desk, and will likely have a keyboard attached

The initial reaction of course: how do you manipulate the data on the second screen?
"we need a mouse!"
"apple fail!"

But if you are looking up at the external screen, you don't need the entire iPad screen for data. What if developers have a small on-screen toggle that switches the iPad into a "touchpad mode" so the iPad acts as a mouse for the external display? Or if an external display is detected, the app switches to show the main app on external display and the iPad displaying an actual mouse touchpad along with supplemental options.

Seriously, imagine an iPad with the right half of the screen acting as a wacom-style Pencil input, the left half of the screen showing all your pallate options, colors, tools, etc. And the actual image being manipulated is on a 24" 4k monitor...

The whole argument looks a lot of the superdevice MS put out as an extension of the XboX called: Kinect. Till a year or 5 it was used a lot with art installations but besides that it wasn't a huge succes. Besides that I also see a lot of creative people that could do cool things with it, I hardly see any commercial use. And let's be honest Apple is all about money.

Hmtx

@greengrocer said:
The whole argument looks a lot of the superdevice MS put out as an extension of the XboX called: Kinect. Till a year or 5 it was used a lot with art installations but besides that it wasn't a huge succes. Besides that I also see a lot of creative people that could do cool things with it, I hardly see any commercial use. And let's be honest Apple is all about money.

yep, its all about money unfortunately. But thats not a reason for this to fail. I mean look what Apple did for "tablets" in the first place... Apple have a way of making things work well enough while making the hordes of customers ravenous with desire so they can charge premium prices.

I think Adobe is all about money also, and seeing as they are going full Photoshop on iOS ... I guess I'm hopeful they will put some real innovation in the iOS version.

mistercharlie

@Liquidmantis said:

@Nubus said:
So the Verge says extended display. You need mouse support for extended display.
iOS doesn't have mouse support and will not. So that will not work.

Not necessarily. There was some snippet during the presentation that showed a monitor displaying a photo, which was also on the iPad but the iPad had a toolbar or palette as well. So it could potentially be usable as a non-interactive viewport for larger, uncluttered display.

Exactly. The Apple TV manages to offer a non-touch display without a mouse cursor.

[Deleted User]

@Hmtx said:
Yeah, the "no mouse" problem is completely irrelevant, there's so much potential here for developers to dive into.

If:

• the primary device is itself a touch screen
• the secondary "extended display" is showing separate data, not mirroring or sending video only.
• if you are using a screen you are at a desk, and will likely have a keyboard attached

The initial reaction of course: how do you manipulate the data on the second screen?
"we need a mouse!"
"apple fail!"

But if you are looking up at the external screen, you don't need the entire iPad screen for data. What if developers have a small on-screen toggle that switches the iPad into a "touchpad mode" so the iPad acts as a mouse for the external display? Or if an external display is detected, the app switches to show the main app on external display and the iPad displaying an actual mouse touchpad along with supplemental options.

Seriously, imagine an iPad with the right half of the screen acting as a wacom-style Pencil input, the left half of the screen showing all your pallate options, colors, tools, etc. And the actual image being manipulated is on a 24" 4k monitor...

They could also do those two screen Professor Layton games!

Hmtx

@Fruitbat1919 said:
They could also do those two screen Professor Layton games!

and when we search AppStore for "external display video editing" those games will fill the top 100 results

sch

May have found a solution for the headphone issue:

https://www.amazon.ca/Charging-Splitter-Headphone-Essential-More-Silver/dp/B07FVMCX7J/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1541003263&sr=8-4&keywords=USB-C+headphone+splitter

Then run this into a hub such as:
https://www.amazon.ca/HooToo-Adapter-100W-Delivery-MacBook/dp/B073ZG6QV8/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

Still only 1 USB-C port that has to be used for charging, so no additional USB-C ports for other devices, but at least it gets me back to where I was with the old CCK.

[Deleted User]

@Hmtx said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
They could also do those two screen Professor Layton games!

and when we search AppStore for "external display video editing" those games will fill the top 100 results

And then Apple can get someone on stage to tell us how wonderful it is that we can see the detail in his jumper!

[Deleted User]

Then some people look again in the opposite way...

I'm installing traktor 2.6.0 on win7/xp machines ATM. if the tests go well maybe I will buy an old mac mini core2duo with snow leopard and fuck iOS without true pro apps dawn!

Djplayer is a joke without remix decks and subscription model IMnotHO.

ErrkaPetti

@chandroji said:

@Artmuzz said:
I’m finished with Apple. I still think my iPad Pro 9.7 and iPad Pro 12.9 (2nd generation) are great devices and I still love using them for my artwork and making music but as for their new iDevices I think I’ll forget it.

So who seriously need a new iPad Pro NOW?
I’m quite happy with the 2. Generation and im sure it will serve me the next years very well.
We don’t need always the newest, or?

I think 2. Generation iPad Pro is quite powerful to make some nice music with. So I’m not worry, I’m happy with the iPads I own! 😊

As a side effect many Pro owner will upgrade. So the previous iPad Pro are getting cheaper in the second hand market. It’s a good time upgrading an Air...

But, hey, Apple will certainly make 2:nd gen iPad Pro slower, really slower if you upgrade to iOS13 next year...
It also part of the business: make old hardware slow with inplemented software into kernal iOS - then the silly jerks out there (we users) buy new shiny iPads, overpriced as hell...

bert

@sch said:

@Norbert said:
If it is still indeed 4gb of RAM, it means Photoshop has been optimized as hell for ipad cause this thing on PC is damn memory greedy (layers people, layers). And it's gonna be even more true with augmented reality. So personally, I am not buying this rumor yet. With 8 cores though, they might have worked around it with multithreading.

Don’t forget that the 1TB model has 6GB of RAM. The Adobe team could well have used that model for their demo. That PSD file def had a shitload of layers!

Where did you get that info from?

brambos

@bert said:

@sch said:

@Norbert said:
If it is still indeed 4gb of RAM, it means Photoshop has been optimized as hell for ipad cause this thing on PC is damn memory greedy (layers people, layers). And it's gonna be even more true with augmented reality. So personally, I am not buying this rumor yet. With 8 cores though, they might have worked around it with multithreading.

Don’t forget that the 1TB model has 6GB of RAM. The Adobe team could well have used that model for their demo. That PSD file def had a shitload of layers!

Where did you get that info from?

This is how vague rumors become “facts”

Artmuzz

@ricksteruk said:

@Artmuzz said:

@ricksteruk said:

@Artmuzz said:

I wish Ableton would also support multi touch but there is a brilliant multi touch Ableton controller app available called Yeco. The good thing about Yeco is that it works on the same device as Ableton is installed on so no messing with usb or WiFi. The app is fantastic. I hope the dev updates Yeco to support midi note editing.

Thanks for sharing that! Yeco does look good. I've just been experimenting with Touchable pro which is going pretty well - but the idea of running both Ableton Live and Yeco on the same machine is pretty neat

Is Yeco still being developed? I notice the last post on their website blog is the above video posted in Feb 2017.

Yeah, it’s still being developed AFAIK. The last update was in 2017 which included browser support where vsts, plugins and Ableton instruments can be opened and launched. At the moment I’m using the 14 days demo version but I’m going to wait until there is a sale before I decide to buy the licence which works on three devices.

Is that with a Surface / Sufacebook?

I see that they do a mac version - the idea of a mac mini with a touchscreen is intriguing.

Yeah the Surfacebook, Surface Go and Pro and any other multi touch tablet 2 in 1 laptop that runs Windows 10 or for an external multi touch screen monitor that plugs into Mac.

[Deleted User]

@brambos said:

@bert said:

@sch said:

@Norbert said:
If it is still indeed 4gb of RAM, it means Photoshop has been optimized as hell for ipad cause this thing on PC is damn memory greedy (layers people, layers). And it's gonna be even more true with augmented reality. So personally, I am not buying this rumor yet. With 8 cores though, they might have worked around it with multithreading.

Don’t forget that the 1TB model has 6GB of RAM. The Adobe team could well have used that model for their demo. That PSD file def had a shitload of layers!

Where did you get that info from?

This is how vague rumors become “facts”

Maybe a clever fake news from Apple and all go mad to preorder the maxed out thing....which seems to happen indeed when i look at the shipping dates.

mistercharlie

@ErrkaPetti said:

But, hey, Apple will certainly make 2:nd gen iPad Pro slower, really slower if you upgrade to iOS13 next year...
It also part of the business: make old hardware slow with inplemented software into kernal iOS - then the silly jerks out there (we users) buy new shiny iPads, overpriced as hell...

iOS 12 can be installed on any device that runs iOS 11, and it makes them all faster. Older devices see the biggest speed boost. Have you tried it?

ErrkaPetti

@mistercharlie said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

But, hey, Apple will certainly make 2:nd gen iPad Pro slower, really slower if you upgrade to iOS13 next year...
It also part of the business: make old hardware slow with inplemented software into kernal iOS - then the silly jerks out there (we users) buy new shiny iPads, overpriced as hell...

iOS 12 can be installed on any device that runs iOS 11, and it makes them all faster. Older devices see the biggest speed boost. Have you tried it?

I talking about iOS13 here, not iOS12...
iOS12.1 may be the best iOS version ever though! Have it on four devices back home...

But, what I mean is, I’m pretty sure that Apple has an evil thought once in a while and triggering some devices so they slow down, just for let the customers urge for a new device...

I don’t trust people that happy as the Apple people on stage ;-)

sch

@bert said:
Where did you get that info from?

https://www.redmondpie.com/mac-mini-ram-is-user-replaceable-1tb-ipad-pro-has-6gb-ram-all-others-have-4gb/?fbclid=IwAR2xHYntfg8jmbazkRwVv4achOnDNFzc7dHONv2yV8X-ZP-4ZG2k5xokNoA

nerVe

so, the 12.9 1T 6GB RAM:
My only questions, which I don't know if anybody can answer with any amount of technical certainty...

Will it have lower latency? Can it Aggregate Audio multiple audio Devices? or is this a limit of USB2 Class Compliant iOS device driver?

Will the this iPad now support higher resolution Audio? or are we still stuck at 16bit?

[Deleted User]

@nerVe said:
so, the 12.9 1T 6GB RAM:
My only questions, which I don't know if anybody can answer with any amount of technical certainty...

Will it have lower latency? Can it Aggregate Audio multiple audio Devices? or is this a limit of USB2 Class Compliant iOS device driver?

Will the this iPad now support higher resolution Audio? or are we still stuck at 16bit?

Low latency is available, question how far can you push it. (A12X seems to be a beast)
Aggregate Device - no, iOS limitation... maybe in the future, but Apple doesn't seem to be focused on pro audio use
Higher resolution audio - depends on your audio interface/app, otherwise supported.

mistercharlie

These USB-C MagSafe cables look like they’d work with the new iPad Pro:

Turntablist

@mistercharlie said:
These USB-C MagSafe cables look like they’d work with the new iPad Pro:

They are actually a lot bigger than they look, they stick out a lot.

mistercharlie

I might skip it then.

[Deleted User]

@Artmuzz said:

@ricksteruk said:

@Artmuzz said:

@ricksteruk said:

@Artmuzz said:

I wish Ableton would also support multi touch but there is a brilliant multi touch Ableton controller app available called Yeco. The good thing about Yeco is that it works on the same device as Ableton is installed on so no messing with usb or WiFi. The app is fantastic. I hope the dev updates Yeco to support midi note editing.

Thanks for sharing that! Yeco does look good. I've just been experimenting with Touchable pro which is going pretty well - but the idea of running both Ableton Live and Yeco on the same machine is pretty neat

Is Yeco still being developed? I notice the last post on their website blog is the above video posted in Feb 2017.

Yeah, it’s still being developed AFAIK. The last update was in 2017 which included browser support where vsts, plugins and Ableton instruments can be opened and launched. At the moment I’m using the 14 days demo version but I’m going to wait until there is a sale before I decide to buy the licence which works on three devices.

Is that with a Surface / Sufacebook?

I see that they do a mac version - the idea of a mac mini with a touchscreen is intriguing.

Yeah the Surfacebook, Surface Go and Pro and any other multi touch tablet 2 in 1 laptop that runs Windows 10 or for an external multi touch screen monitor that plugs into Mac.

Touchable works over usb connection ?

So as Logic Remote is probably better solution to use with mac mini until Ableton themselves make some movement.

[Deleted User]

For people who like numbers Some early benchmarks and you see this model seems to have indeed (close) to 6GB RAM: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/10567048

Norbert

@Liquidmantis said:

@Nubus said:
So the Verge says extended display. You need mouse support for extended display.
iOS doesn't have mouse support and will not. So that will not work.

Not necessarily. There was some snippet during the presentation that showed a monitor displaying a photo, which was also on the iPad but the iPad had a toolbar or palette as well. So it could potentially be usable as a non-interactive viewport for larger, uncluttered display.

Yeah that looks pretty awesome for drawing actually. The ipad will be the palette and the big display your canvas.

Turntablist

Why would that possibly be good ?
The more expensive drawing tablets have a built in display for a reason, it is a much nicer workflow to look at what you are drawing, rather than as in a cheaper drawing tablet, draw on the tablet and look at another screen.

There does seem to be a certain amount of wanting new features to be useful, just because they are new features, when in reality a high end drawing tablet or indeed just the pro on its own would still be the better workflow choice, I see this all the time in the workplace, that item that was "Needed immediately" that has sat on the shelf ever since.

Whichever way you look at it, strange design decisions do seem to have been taken with this new Pro, they may well turn out to be some massive shift in the way people work, right now, we have to see how useful they are.

[Deleted User]

@Turntablist said:
Why would that possibly be good ?
The more expensive drawing tablets have a built in display for a reason, it is a much nicer workflow to look at what you are drawing, rather than as in a cheaper drawing tablet, draw on the tablet and look at another screen.

Depends what you’re doing. I actually prefer using a Wacom tablet with my desktop, to drawing on the iPad. There’s no hand getting in the way of your line of sight, and once you get used to it it’s an intuitive way of working.