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Winter NAMM 2019

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  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Iso said:
    I'm not at all convinced i can tell the difference anymore. Working at 24/96 makes a huge difference in quality with soft synths. I do have a really nice modern (small) analogue synth to play with here,and it sounds amazing on it's own, but once it's recorded as part of a track i'm not sure if anyone could tell the difference. I do have some nice midi controllers though, including the Korg MS20 ic, which does make playing soft synths a lot more fun..........I would love a room full of hardware synths like everyone else, but my studio is also my living room & my bedroom, that way my teenage son gets to have his own room!!!!!! ;)

    I agree. It's been proven over and over again that folks just can't tell the difference between a modern software emulation vs the hardware counterpart. In fact in most blind tests I've seen recently folks seem to prefer the software version.

    I do agree with AnimalHeadSpirit that having loads of knobs and buttons to push is great. It's hard to beat the tactile feel of an actual hardware interface.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @cyberheater said:

    I do agree with AnimalHeadSpirit that having loads of knobs and buttons to push is great. It's hard to beat the tactile feel of an actual hardware interface

    I must resist the temptation to lower the tone with jokes about having loads of knobs to play with, & the pleasure to be had fingering ones iPad etc,etc........damn! Too Late! :D

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Turntablist said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @AnimalHeadSpirit said:

    @Iso said:

    @kinkujin said:

    @Iso said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @bert said:

    That moment when you realise that someone else is making your product better than you do...

    The head of Behringer is both an engineer and a musician who wants people to be happy with their products.
    It doesn't look like that's the case @ KORG.

    Korg have consistently produced innovative & great sounding instruments at competitive prices for over 50 years, not sure why that deserves a bashing?

    I’m unsure what that picture is supposed to be showing me, besides a ghost playing a synth in the background.

    It's a photo of (admittedly funny as F**k) a korg rep, grimacing at the new Behringer korg odyssey rip off......... ;)

    Taking photos to give to the Korg legal department perhaps? Certainly doesn’t look like a happy camper.
    I understand the intellectual property rights on the synth architecture itself has expired on many of these classic synths, but does the same hold true for their case design/aesthetics?

    I love that I’m able to afford these classic synths thanks to Behringer, but I’m slightly conflicted about it. It almost seems like they should differentiate the industrial design a bit instead of copying everything, name and all.

    Weren't KORG the first ones to copy the original Odyssey? :wink:

    Nope. KORG bought ARP’s ip. Their Odyssey isn’t a clone/copy.

    Can you provide a link to this happening ?
    Would be interesting to read.

    Visit the ARP web site. Google is also your friend.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    There is no correlation between this, that, and the other.

  • TurntablistTurntablist

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Turntablist said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @AnimalHeadSpirit said:

    @Iso said:

    @kinkujin said:

    @Iso said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @bert said:

    That moment when you realise that someone else is making your product better than you do...

    The head of Behringer is both an engineer and a musician who wants people to be happy with their products.
    It doesn't look like that's the case @ KORG.

    Korg have consistently produced innovative & great sounding instruments at competitive prices for over 50 years, not sure why that deserves a bashing?

    I’m unsure what that picture is supposed to be showing me, besides a ghost playing a synth in the background.

    It's a photo of (admittedly funny as F**k) a korg rep, grimacing at the new Behringer korg odyssey rip off......... ;)

    Taking photos to give to the Korg legal department perhaps? Certainly doesn’t look like a happy camper.
    I understand the intellectual property rights on the synth architecture itself has expired on many of these classic synths, but does the same hold true for their case design/aesthetics?

    I love that I’m able to afford these classic synths thanks to Behringer, but I’m slightly conflicted about it. It almost seems like they should differentiate the industrial design a bit instead of copying everything, name and all.

    Weren't KORG the first ones to copy the original Odyssey? :wink:

    Nope. KORG bought ARP’s ip. Their Odyssey isn’t a clone/copy.

    Can you provide a link to this happening ?
    Would be interesting to read.

    Visit the ARP web site. Google is also your friend.

    The Arp website put up by Korg, that has zero information about Korg buying Arp IP, IP that has infact no owner, you are right Google is my friend, you should try it too ;)

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @turntablist: the fact that a founder of ARP is still involved and that Korg owns the ARP name is not zero information.> @Turntablist said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Turntablist said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @AnimalHeadSpirit said:

    @Iso said:

    @kinkujin said:

    @Iso said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @bert said:

    That moment when you realise that someone else is making your product better than you do...

    The head of Behringer is both an engineer and a musician who wants people to be happy with their products.
    It doesn't look like that's the case @ KORG.

    Korg have consistently produced innovative & great sounding instruments at competitive prices for over 50 years, not sure why that deserves a bashing?

    I’m unsure what that picture is supposed to be showing me, besides a ghost playing a synth in the background.

    It's a photo of (admittedly funny as F**k) a korg rep, grimacing at the new Behringer korg odyssey rip off......... ;)

    Taking photos to give to the Korg legal department perhaps? Certainly doesn’t look like a happy camper.
    I understand the intellectual property rights on the synth architecture itself has expired on many of these classic synths, but does the same hold true for their case design/aesthetics?

    I love that I’m able to afford these classic synths thanks to Behringer, but I’m slightly conflicted about it. It almost seems like they should differentiate the industrial design a bit instead of copying everything, name and all.

    Weren't KORG the first ones to copy the original Odyssey? :wink:

    Nope. KORG bought ARP’s ip. Their Odyssey isn’t a clone/copy.

    Can you provide a link to this happening ?
    Would be interesting to read.

    Visit the ARP web site. Google is also your friend.

    The Arp website put up by Korg, that has zero information about Korg buying Arp IP, IP that has infact no owner, you are right Google is my friend, you should try it too ;)

    Have you uncovered any indication that the information on the ARP site is incorrect?

    Any indication that Alan R Pearlman ever contested Korg's branding or use of the trademarks? There are articles to be found about Korg buying the rights to manufacture the synths.

  • TurntablistTurntablist
    edited January 2019

    So you think that owning the brand 'Arp' and associated trademark constitutes ownership of the Oddysey IP ?

    Korg never owned that IP, in fact anybody can legally build an Oddysey.

    Again, just to remind you, Google is your friend.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2019

    Dunnno if this helps to clear things up:

    ref from: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/01/21/korg-unveils-arp-odyssey-analog-synthesizer/

    The New ARP Odyssey

    “Together the engineers at Korg and Arp were able to nail the sound and feel of the original. Under the advisory assistance of David Friend, the co-founder of ARP Instruments, every detail was adjusted to replicate the original unit’s distinctive synthesis,” says James Sajeva, Brand Manager for Korg products. “Every aspect has been carefully considered to stay true to the quality of the original, down to the sophisticated semi-hard case."

    and:

    From: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/03/21/korg-arp-odyssey-2015-in-depth-review/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=fUetiH4pT4k

    Who am i kidding about preferring software? I just watched this vid again, and I WANT ONE! :D Whats the price on the Behringer clone again? ;)

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins
    edited January 2019

    $199, €149,

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    ^
    This looks like a no-brainer at that price.......& it's nice & small for us more space challenged punters..........

  • robosardinerobosardine

    €149- that’s only £125! About the same price as a Volca. I kept hoping they would get some patch cables out and shove them into the holes to see what that would sound like. I had been thinking about an UNO- now I’ll wait and see.
    I can’t see a way on it for setting an accurate bpm when using standalone- something to remember if that sort of thing is important to you.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Turntablist said:
    So you think that owning the brand 'Arp' and associated trademark constitutes ownership of the Oddysey IP ?

    Korg never owned that IP, in fact anybody can legally build an Oddysey.

    Again, just to remind you, Google is your friend.

    You might be able to manufacture a clone (ala Behringer) but you can't (legally) sell it with branding for which you don't own the rights.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Here is the controversial beast in all it's glory:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=ccLw2TDlPis

  • kobamotokobamoto

  • bertbert

    @Jumpercollins said:

    $199, €149,

    Wow, amazing so much synth for that amount of money. My goodness what is Behringer up to? They redefine the whole synth landscape!

  • DaveypooDaveypoo

    @Jumpercollins said:

    $199, €149,

    Jesus - I'm becoming a right Behringer fan-boy...

    They just keep getting cheaper and cheaper huh? Amazing - don't be surprised if you see one of these in my upcoming videos....

  • Rich303Rich303

  • djpuzzledjpuzzle

    @david_2017 said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    I love you Jason ;) This came out of the blue! I checked the packs and the Mellow Moods ambient textures are absolutely my cup of ovomaltine! Thank you, Sir! Really appreacite that act of NAMM-celebrating-kindness!!!

    I just returned from NAMM. You got it!!

  • djpuzzledjpuzzle

    @Mull said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    Oooh yes please...R n;B one looks cool..can never have too many slinky loops :)

    Which RnB pack? We have several. Let me know and it's yours!

  • djpuzzledjpuzzle

    @kobamoto said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    sweet Jason, gonna check for something organic, might you have any packs of kalimbas, castanets, thumb pianos etc.. stuff like that?

    We have one called Organic Chillout. Not those instruments though. https://soundtrackloops.com/shop/genre/organic-chill-out-royalty-free-loops/

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @djpuzzle said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    sweet Jason, gonna check for something organic, might you have any packs of kalimbas, castanets, thumb pianos etc.. stuff like that?

    We have one called Organic Chillout. Not those instruments though. https://soundtrackloops.com/shop/genre/organic-chill-out-royalty-free-loops/

    thanks man, namm was off the hook by the looks of it

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Rich303 said:

    damn!

  • djpuzzledjpuzzle

    @kobamoto said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    sweet Jason, gonna check for something organic, might you have any packs of kalimbas, castanets, thumb pianos etc.. stuff like that?

    We have one called Organic Chillout. Not those instruments though. https://soundtrackloops.com/shop/genre/organic-chill-out-royalty-free-loops/

    thanks man, namm was off the hook by the looks of it

    It was! Not even just the gear. I got to meet lots of new people face to face. Some devs were there. So much fun.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    :)

  • TurntablistTurntablist

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Turntablist said:
    So you think that owning the brand 'Arp' and associated trademark constitutes ownership of the Oddysey IP ?

    Korg never owned that IP, in fact anybody can legally build an Oddysey.

    Again, just to remind you, Google is your friend.

    You might be able to manufacture a clone (ala Behringer) but you can't (legally) sell it with branding for which you don't own the rights.

    Aaah excellent, you finally agree you were wrong, good on you ;)

  • MullMull

    @djpuzzle said:

    @Mull said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    Oooh yes please...R n;B one looks cool..can never have too many slinky loops :)

    Which RnB pack? We have several. Let me know and it's yours!

    The Night Moves one. Very generous, thank you!

  • bleepbleep

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @djpuzzle said:

    @david_2017 said:
    Is there something like a NAMM Freebie sensation too? Any cool discounts or maybe samplepacks or so for free during the NAMM show? I would not despise some cool Samples ;)

    Hi David, yes to celebrate NAMM I will give everyone who wants one a free sample pack from Soundtrack Loops with a value of up to $25 how's that? https://www.soundtrackloops.com

    I love you Jason ;) This came out of the blue! I checked the packs and the Mellow Moods ambient textures are absolutely my cup of ovomaltine! Thank you, Sir! Really appreacite that act of NAMM-celebrating-kindness!!!

    I just returned from NAMM. You got it!!

    The Mellow Moods ambient textures sounds like my cup of tea, as well. Either that or the ambient guitar loops pack, if possible pretty please? But how to proceed, @djpuzzle?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Turntablist said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Turntablist said:
    So you think that owning the brand 'Arp' and associated trademark constitutes ownership of the Oddysey IP ?

    Korg never owned that IP, in fact anybody can legally build an Oddysey.

    Again, just to remind you, Google is your friend.

    You might be able to manufacture a clone (ala Behringer) but you can't (legally) sell it with branding for which you don't own the rights.

    Aaah excellent, you finally agree you were wrong, good on you ;)

    Huh? No contradiction between my last or my previous statements. And I see no point in continuing the conversation. There is no evidence that Korg is manufacturing these without having secured the legal rights to do so under the ARP name and with ARP look and feel--which was my original point.

    If I made that point poorly, so be it.

  • bertbert
    edited January 2019

    @0__O__3 said:

    @Iso said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @bert said:

    That moment when you realise that someone else is making your product better than you do...

    The head of Behringer is both an engineer and a musician who wants people to be happy with their products.
    It doesn't look like that's the case @ KORG.

    Korg have consistently produced innovative & great sounding instruments at competitive prices for over 50 years, not sure that deserves a bashing?

    +1

    Korg continues to be a historically great, innovative company both in the hardware world and on iOS.

    That being said, Behringer has come out of nowhere to become a tough competitor with their synth division.

    I purchased the Deepmind 12D in December when I saw the price dropped to $600. I wasn’t in the market for a hardware analog synth, but I felt like it shouldn’t be passed up for the price. I traded in my Korg Poly-61 for the Deepmind 12D and gave it a shot. It’s an absolutely incredible, powerful synth for the price. IMO it’s the best deal in the hardware synth world by far right now.

    If anything, I think Behringer could possibly make Korg step up their game even more to compete with Behringer’s features and value.

    I am interested to see more original Behringer synths like the Deepmind and Neutron.

    +1

    Look at this picture by amazona.de:

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