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I don’t need them to waste time chiming in. That’s minutes/hours of wasted time. But paying very close attention to how the iOS app world has exploded and music apps continue to advance while new ones emerge is crucial. Reading this page and taking notes daily could be 5 minutes at the start of one of their days instead of sitting in the company kitchen for 10 minutes discussing bullshit with a co-worker over a cup of coffee. This is Korg, not Joe Shmoe trying to launch the next production suite out of his bedroom. They need to start hiring fresh, forward-thinkers if they wanna be relevant in the future.
And it’s not about wanting everything... we can’t even get the basics.... like an attack knob on their most powerful drum sample player gadget. See what I’m sayin?
Not saying you’re wrong but this is all assuming they haven’t hired fresh forward thinkers. I’m pretty sure they’ll remain relevant in the future as nothing past or present proves otherwise.
In fact, many would say their move to Nintendo is very much forward thinking as kids with video games is a whole new untapped market no one else has access too.
Everything is opinion based.
In your opinion, things should be better now. In my opinion, things are great @Korg now and will only get better in time.
All things can be better than they are.
All things take their own time to get there.
I agree Switch seems to be a good move.
I disagree about things taking time. Past 20 years we’ve seen tech companies fall to fresher, emerging ones due to lack of vision, urgency, etc. It’s also a matter of allocation of resources. If their goal is to amass the most in the box iOS instruments, then (yes) they’ve won. But from a usability standpoint they’re losing.
So, all these basic requests that should have been implemented by 2018 such as parametric EQ, REC Input on Vancouver, Editing features in Audio apps, updated features in Bilbao, etc are not there bc they’ve utilized time creating more instruments and refuse to work with intern devs who could be beefing up the usability & mixing side of the app, and notable producers to deliver custom kits to some of their gadgets, the latter being a mktg failure as well.
Attack knob - this is peanuts. Grab the existing code and reuse it in Bilbao. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel here.
REC input - this is peanuts. Grab the existing code from Rosario and reuse it in Vancouver. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel here.
They are certainly not losing ground anywhere bro. Usability? More people using Korg products today than ever and I’m sure it isn’t even close.
They got the Volca line segment killing in addition to Gadget (which is also being used as AU in Maschine/Logic/etc). All pretty new considering how slow music tech used to go.
In the box on iOS yes...most stable Daw-ish app...NO QUESTION. Auv3 isn’t even well documented yet so why should they rush in to screw up their own stability? Have you seen any Bm3 threads lately. Going that route wouldnt make much sense at all.
As far as simple enhancements to gadgets? I wish and love your suggestions....however, @ioue tried to quickly fix some long requested things only to break simple things that have been working forever further proving that NOTHING is simple. Only to people who can’t code or have never been on a development team. There is no such thing as simple fix or enhancements to something so ambitious.
Look, I’m with you. Waiting for “simple” upgrades that would make my workflow better is painful but I understand patience is necessary.
How long has Logic been around? How quickly is it updated? Can you imagine what apples resources are in comparison to Korg? So why’s it take so long for them to update Logic, GB and all of their software?
Because no matter how many resources or devs it’s just not simple. You have millions of people already using something very complicated with projects and files that could be broken with simple fixes being pushed out quicker.
No matter how much we vent or think things are “simple” fixes the FACT is...they aren’t.
last interaction from @ioue ... page 34 of this thread.... casper gomez joins this forum and starts in on this thread alone ... page 35 ..
Korg forum closed after several years of it being pretty much just mr CG making endless requests ( some quite reasonable mindyou ) on it..
i’m trying to be polite here .. but it would be a tremendous shame if Korgs intermittent ( but growing ) interaction with this forum was stymied by just one persons ..ahem.. “single minded” approach to communicating about technical matters.
Aha...i see. Cmon Casper you gosta chill homie.lol Be a gentlemen go easy first.
Ya know, buy her a drink, mention her hair and how much you love her conversation.
Can’t be coming in all hot looking for full GFE just after introducing yourself!😂🤦🏾♂️
Ok guys. First of all, I’m not talking out of my ass from a technical standpoint bc I have a technical background and a best friend who is a SW and iOS Dev who agrees with me.
Don’t tell me that they’ve accomplished all the variety of features and coding in their 40 Gadgets yet adding an Attack knob to Bilbao and REC input on Vancouver (both of which code exists) is somehow complex. Please. And Intua and Steinberg both utilize AUv3 which is far superior to the effort made with Taipei.
Korg “products” yes... but I’m talking about obvious Usability features in Gadget, nothing to do with their bread-and-butter HW.
It is as simple as they wanna make it. You have to understand, updating Gadgets and production features for Korg is not a matter of difficulty level (their Devs are beyond capable as they’ve proved that over 40 Gadgets) its a bureaucratic issue. Dinosaurs misguiding their teams and tying their hands. Trust.
I’m done so don’t worry, I won’t chime for weeks. ✌🏼
Trust me guys, I have a magic friend who makes me correct.
All those devs have to do is select 'Fix Problems' from the Edit menu... it's RIGHT THERE... but they're too busy drinkin' their stinkin' COFFEE and chatting to their COWORKERS like a bunch of ASSHOLES
LoL. It’s not about being correct. It’s about pushing them as a community so they don’t take us for granted bc we have options now. If some of you would join in pushing them a bit harder we may actually see some updates in KG3 by 2021 instead of what we got in KG2.
I’ve repeatedly said their DEV team is great, but misguided and held back by out of touch ‘grandfathers’.
A common Audiobus forum error is to that no that people here are representative of either most iOS or most iOS music app users.
We are not. Oftentimes, the things we clamor for would cost a dev far more to implement than would be recouped in sales.
The notion that expressing oneself obnoxiously/aggressively/arrogantly is the best way to get a dev's attention is misguided. Express yourself -- exactly as you would want someone to talk to YOU if they have a request. The people that read these messages are (gasp) people. People generally like being treat with kindness and respect.
People often treat devs as if the devs are know-nothings living in a closet unconnected to the real world. In fact, particularly commercial developers, are often in possession of a lot more information about their users than we are. It is true that companies can be disconnected to reality, but I can say for a fact (having been the developer of niche-music software) that hardcore fans very very very often mistakenly believe that they are representative of users in general when they just aren't.
None of us has any idea what resources it would require to implement what many see as trivial no-brainer additions. No one has any idea how much revenue the apps generate. And, most importantly, most people here never think about how much added revenue a pet-feature would generate compared to the cost of implementing it.
This isn't to say that we shouldn't talk about what we want.
But, we should actually think of it in terms of "what we want" as opposed to second-guessing the developer about how it would benefit the developer to do implement what you want.
It may seem like a trivial distinction, but the way one expresses oneself has a big influence on how receptive a developer will be to the idea expressed. "I'd love to see blah blah blah that would be a great feature that would improve my workflow" is pleasant to read.
Messages like the following are a total turn off -- even if the idea is a good one, they will be turned off by the communication and you are LESS likely to see your suggestion given the weight it would deserve : "The dev would make a lot more money if they implemented my suggestion. They have no idea what people want. If they would just listen, they would have the most awesome software."
And, honestly, if you write to Korg through their official channels, your opinion carries a lot more weight than if you post it here.
You make some great points. And I’m not here to bash developers. In fact I’ve been propping up Korg’s developers and going at Korg dinosaurs from day one.
Devs at Korg work for Korg and not their own proprietary products and profits. Therefore, the lack of usability features is not their fault, it’s leadership or lack thereof and bureaucracy holding back the app from advancing.
If you were actually thrilled with KG2 and didn’t feel it was an insult to your intelligence, then we are on 2 completely different pages.
We’ve been very nice to Korg at times on their forum and offered up some serious community wishlists to make their lives easier in addressing gaps in the app, only to be answered by new Gadgets that acted as if they were solutions to our requests but had their own frustrating shortcomings (i.e. Recife, Rosario, Zurich, Vancouver)
Niceness is cute, but it doesn’t push some people to “get it done”. When I speak, I’m speaking directly to NON-devs at Korg just in case they’re listening (most likely not). What’s great about competition is it also pushes companies to step up or begin to fail. If they fail to listen to their users, competition will speak volumes to them soon enough.
Discussing all kinds of app-related issues, tricks, workarounds and feature wishes here on the forum might already have more impact to many iOS musicians than any KORG forum ever had. When you search online for iOS music app related information, chances are that forum.audiob.us will be shown before a KORG site for a good reason - people love to come here and we can often welcome new members.
It makes perfect sense that KORG developers and app designers stop by here.
can't you just 'freeze' tracks then import them as samples to the three samplers? not exactly the same, but should work ok for most uses, no?
you might have deleted some posts, but every new one is still just talking ****.
does Gadget really need a 'parameteric EQ'? it's more of a "groovebox" app than a full DAW. i'm thrilled that we at least got a standard EQ for each track in the iFX.
just wanted to say... love that avatar. what a cool idea.
No. Freeze simply frees up resources. You don’t import a freeze. And also screws up subsequent arrangement. So I don’t recommend using it.
True. I’ll keep that in mind moving fwd.
Yes, it does need one desperately. Groovebox? That’s how you see Gadget? It’s got 40+ Gadgets, loads of effects, FX inserts, and now all they have to do is add a simple GUI to their EQ and they’ll rival Intua’s EQs.
Technically 'freeze' creates a *.wav file that is as long as the track and that file is used for playback as long as a track remains frozen. That file gets deleted once a track is un-frozen.
I tried this by loading the freeze file into Bilbao and once I unfroze the track the file was deleted and no longer available.
Considering the limitations of Vancouver it would be quite handy to load user-samples into Wolfsburg as it already uses sampled waveforms for the synthesis...
More 'advanced' Gadgets are something I really look forward to!
(The wavetable synth from iElectribe Wave with support for user-samples would be neat).
Korg is supposed to show something new at Summer NAMM which starts soon so...
I’m not sure if it’s my iPad or the software but the gadget keyboards a> @Samu said:
If it's only Otori and Ebina we ought to riot in the streets. @ioue what's the good news?
Tks Sam. So that explains why arranging, adding scenes with longer bar-lengths (after freezing a track early on) F’s up the scene ‘loops’ and such.
Parametric eq is not high on my wishlist. The current ifx eq is sufficient (combined with the filters).
User-samples in Wolfsburg, yes please
@jbuonacc thx
User samples in Wolfsburg will not happen. Since 2014, Korg has never gone back to a single Gadget to add a new feature. The only thing they’ve done is add another back of presets to some Gadgets. That’s why we’ll never see much-needed feature updates to Bilbao, Vancouver, R&Z etc. The only updates we could expect to see are brand new Gadgets and new, general usability features or things such as Parametric EQ. Max Bar length:32, better midi editing tools, copy/paste to all Scenes, etc.
Then what's this?
As far as I remember London was one of the first Gadgets ever
Brand new sampling Gadget based on Wolfsburg would be fine too.
Call it Wolverhampton
It was included in the original 15 or so, true. However, that presets-beats feature is not specific to London. They didn’t change London at all.
Do you not see that you are bashing them in the very paragraph where you say you are not here to bash them?
You honestly think that being rude to them is "holding their feet to the fire"?
Simple truth: being condescending to them makes them less likely to listen to what you have to say.
In what way, was KG2, a free minor update on iOS, an insult to anyone's intelligence?
It was a minor update whose MIDI out Gadget made a lot of people happy.
What YOU like or care about is certainly your business, but your opinion is just that.
Actually, if being respectful doesn't work , being pushy and insulting is going to be evrmless helpful.
If you are just venting and could care less about being heard , go ahead.
Being rude and condescending doesn't "get it done" either.
You seem to not like Korg's direction at all. Why not move on to software whose developers inclinations are more in concert with your own?
You’ve made some good points. But, I say it was an insult bc the so-called free update they gave us including Taipei, was not so free since 2 of the 4 Gadgets had to be purchased to work inside KG2 and the 4th was just Rosario with a new Skin. All that could have been provided under “Korg Gadget”. The Marketing team has insulted many of us for years with their vague and misleading email and language. I’m not crying in a corner about it, I’m just disappointed that Korg would think so lowly of its original 2014 users and biggest supporters.
I really don’t understand why people defend these grandpas so much... you should be pissed off like me at them for tying the hands of these wonderful Developers and holding them back from taking Gadget where it really needs to go.
I sincerely hope all the Gadget developers and contributors get together behind their backs and launch their own iOS Music production suite. Honestly I don’t know why they don’t. They could just go under pseudonyms.
Really? Have you ever seen what crazy Joe Clark did in Lean on Me? If I need to go CJC on em, I will. lol.
There’s really no direction. It’s the same direction since the first update after it launched.
Tbh, people had been requesting for iMS20 and iPolysix to be added to Gadget. Some said: “Korg’s not gonna bother, because they already have our money from those (older) apps”. For me it was as a nice surprise they added Memphis and Pompei.
Technically Durban is not Rosario with a new skin. It’s got different amps/cabinets and a few other fx specific for bass.
Definitely was nice that they Gadgetized them.
I used the word skin in the sense that it is basically the very same gadget with the small differences you pointed out.
my original observation still stands.
such a shame when people get themselves stuck in these behavioural loops. contributing nothing and just filibustering about in the path of those who might.
if you can’t make a satisfactory track out of Gadget as it stands NOW then really it’s time to pack yr own self off to the old folks home for a life of dominoes and chairobics, you’ll find many like minded souls there to reminisce with about the ‘korg wars’ and how devs would jump to it at the snap of a finger ‘back in the day’.
if yr not ready for that, then maybe check out the many other threads here about the absolutely insane things you can do with 10 or 20 quids worth ( or even £0 ) of app-iness on a stick.
Trying to puzzle out the workings of a japanese business heirarchy or even it’s society will take a lifetime.
Btw, i’ve toured there twice and if you turn up to any meeting without immaculately wrapped gifts for everyone there then you will be seen as a barbarian gaijin and won’t be asked back..
now... if you’ve got some music, tips, tricks or just good humoured apple ribbing up yr sleeve then take off yr armadillo coat & enter the forum gracefully.. “eets ah nice ah plaice!”