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I like the notion of turn and turn about, but none of the 16 year olds I know are in the bedroom strumming their tennis racquets like I did. They're ALL at the keys, actual or virtual...
Mutable Instruments is able to uphold it's business with just 1 employee: https://mutable-instruments.net/about/ who let produce her electronics within a French factory at Normandy:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=syDATZQcXdo
It's a shame Émilie Gillet never did a production run of her standalone synths that her later Eurorack modules were based off of. I think you can still get them from 3rd party builders on Reverb and eBay.
https://mutable-instruments.net/archive/
Uh, that took a really weird turn that I didn’t remember. Apologies.
man at these prices you can buy 5 or 6 synth for 1500 bucks
Boutique manufacturers only need to make more interesting (not cheaper) products to compete. Most of them aren't really doing that and sadly let Behringer steal the show.
Still a lot of people care about what a synth looks like and what brand it has on it. Behringer loses heavily in the aesthetics or "cool" factor.
Funny how the people complaining about Behringer hurting the industry are the same people who complain about apps being too expensive... and you’re really gonna support Moog... LOL.
BTW, I tried out the Grandmother over the weekend. It was very underwhelming and the build quality is nothing to brag about either. 1/8” jacks on a $900 synth with a pitch bend wheel that has a very rigid center detent... what a fuckin joke! You’re paying for a brand name. Moog has become a lifestyle brand for all the mocha latte drinking hipsters that’ll pay $5/cup at the local Starschmucks.
The bottom line is whoever offers more bang for the buck comes out ahead, and whoever’s smart enough to understand that as a consumer also comes out ahead. That’s capitalism and consumerism for ya. If you’re dumb enough to believe that companies like Moog and Teenage Engineering have your best interest in mind while you blindly shell out hundreds of dollars for a product that cost a 10th of the price to make, then you deserve to get robbed.
Actually that synth is quite good value. 1/8" jacks is the standard... so I don't see why that deserves criticism. Some aspects of that synth bothered me but overall nobody else does a synth like that for that price.
The sad thing is Moog have great talented people working with them. Their apps are almost in their own class of quality and their synths usually offer something nobody else is doing. I'd say they're far from a lifestyle brand but need a restructure. The website is a travesty and the marketing has become cringey.
When they first released the Mother 32 they did so in a very slick way:
Musically their videos for the Mother 32 make the Behringer ones look like garbage.
Don’t behringers catch fire?
well that escalated quickly
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.
I think they kick your dog, set fire to trees, then make the hole in the ozone layer bigger.
I have no interest in Behringer products, but that is dwarfed by my ever growing hatred for people who think they need to remind us how terrible Behringer are at every single opportunity, move on you boring boring broken record.
But it’s tradition for audio pros to dis the behr
shoot, them bcf-2000 and bcr-2000 mixers work forever
Maybe but I appreciate the effort. I listen to Behringer demos and a lot of the time think well that was a shit 3 minutes of generic synth sounds.
I'm sure they sound great in person like the Model D, Neutron & Deepmind but damn give me something musical and relevant.
the ethic of money making is just that
But while A invented and changed computer and phone paradigms multiple times, B never did any original work.
It may not be very obvious at first glance, but both OSX and IOS are just stupid Unix boxes.
Go mess with ANY other flavour of that type of OS and the result Apple achieved is impressive at least.
Sidenote: while the price tag on Apple products seems high, the total costs versus delivered value (productivity, reliability) has always been pretty good.
Did A invent computing, or touchscreens, smartphones, no, they just build on ideas of others. Just the same as B. In a decade when your iOS device has been reduced to a crawl, defunct, obsolete. B devices will still be working as intended.
Would now be a good time to mention Henry Ford, who of course invented the car !!!
He did it all to get away from manual labour, on his parents farm. In later life, he fabricated a utopian village, based on manual production. Took him a lifetime to start back at the beginning. What goes around....
Er, not exactly.
Apple didn't invent computers but made pretty much the first mass market personal computer. They didn't invent the graphical user interface but developed the first one available to consumers (with a 'little' inspiration from their Xerox Parc visits). They didn't invent the smartphone but the iPhone was unlike anything that came before. Look at what Android was like before the iPhone was released (Spoiler alert: It looked like a BlackBerry).
Apple's Industrial design is copied wholesale. Most phones look like iPhones. Most premium laptops look like MacBooks.
Behringer started off in the 90s with devices that completely ripped off rivals products. They copied the circuit board designs from Mackie in their mixers. They copied many others, including DBX. Mackie didn't invent the mixer but their mixer was an original design, even if it was clearly inspired by Soundcraft, SSL, Neve, et-al. So was Behringer's. It just happened to be Mackie's original design, not their own. Most of the new synths many of us are lusting after are DIRECT copies of old synths. Apple, for all their faults, are a very different type of company. They prefer to rip you off over the price of a lightning cable and make our lives difficult by taking away the headphone jack. Perfect Apple most certainly are not, but they're not the same as Behringer when it comes to copying.
But lets face it, shareholders ensure no corporations let ethics get in the way of making a huge profit.
Your final thought, I’d agree with, as I said same ethics. Just it doesn’t cost as much to buy Behringer.
The Behringer BM8500 did cost me a Shure SM57 at a later point in time.
To be precise: I was unexperienced and they simply lied to me in the store selling the Behringer
Can't remember anything like that from any Apple product.
My iPhone 3gs is on duty for 8 years still on it's first battery - and what a relief this mobile phone was after a couple of cheapos.
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?
Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.
Let's be honest.
Synthesizers are not exactly cutting edge technology.
There are yes amazing degrees of quality parts and assembly, but these are items that have been produced for decades.
In reality I think the ridiculous pricing of some companies products were over inflated mainly because of the limited market availability of such analog machines.
It is market forces working great for the consumer by making things more affordable.
In reality, I guess apps can be credited or blamed for any such price drops.
It is the price of apps and the quality sounds they give that are perhaps forcing the realization thousands on an item replicated on an iOS device for $20 is a battle that may not have the best outcome.
And if companies are really about music, more people having the ability to make music is a good thing.
I mean , isn't that what we say about all things people don' have access to?
Market forces.
They will work this out.
IF the near same sounds can be achieved for a fraction of the money, the problem is not the company with the affordable products, it is the company with the absurdly priced items.
Many companies are seeing the lower cost model a better option anyway.
Arturia.
N.I.
Teenage Engineering.
Even Buchla.
SO unless lower priced products are all causing harm to children or something like that, I see no rational way to see it as a bad thing.
Thats just me.
I guess they would be asking..." If they can sell them that cheap, why aren't we making them that cheap and making more profit ?"
That is if there isn't a huge markup already
Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.
When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?
Wow, that's so true, and it makes me cringe.
But does it make you CRAVE?
(too soon?)
I think both Crave and the Volca Modular are great prices, also think Arturia’s move to produce a hybrid may be in response to the Behringer analogs, I like the Micro Freak too. All on my list. Cheapest Moog Synth I bought was 59 pence, now how’s this dumping work?
Behringer is producing most of their components by themselves, that's the big difference.
Moog for example, is assembling parts they buy. Like most other synth manufacturers.