behringer came to wipe the the floor with korg / Crave

Redo1

Behringer should have changed their name or released these synths under a different branch or something.
The behringer name really turns me off. They built their company around copying others hard work

kobamoto

IBM

knewspeak

@Redo1 said:
Behringer should have changed their name or released these synths under a different branch or something.
The behringer name really turns me off. They built their company around copying others hard work

If it upsets you, don’t buy it, that helps reduce the pre-order queue, thanks.

supadom

Will

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

knewspeak

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

Will

I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Will

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

c'mon man. A little R&D for a couple of their synths that market their reuse of 'classic' components ain't even in the same sport, let alone league, as creating the iPhone, etc.

Not that I think Apple ethics are something to aspire to.

knewspeak

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

c'mon man. A little R&D for a couple of their synths that market their reuse of 'classic' components ain't even in the same sport, let alone league, as creating the iPhone, etc.

Not that I think Apple ethics are something to aspire to.

In scale your correct, but again, I reiterate, ethically, very similar, but at least, Behringer have engaged with the music scene, to decide what they would like produced. A lesson that Apple could well learn.

knewspeak

@syrupcore said:
I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Unfortunately this doesn’t fund the manufacturer of the synths.

supadom

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:
I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Unfortunately this doesn’t fund the manufacturer of the synths.

It does indirectly. Easily the guy who sells gear second hand buys other gear with the funds.

knewspeak

@supadom said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:
I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Unfortunately this doesn’t fund the manufacturer of the synths.

It does indirectly. Easily the guy who sells gear second hand buys other gear with the funds.

Or drugs, or to subscribe to Apples latest subscription model

ExAsperis99

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

c'mon man. A little R&D for a couple of their synths that market their reuse of 'classic' components ain't even in the same sport, let alone league, as creating the iPhone, etc.

Not that I think Apple ethics are something to aspire to.

In scale your correct, but again, I reiterate, ethically, very similar, but at least, Behringer have engaged with the music scene, to decide what they would like produced. A lesson that Apple could well learn.

Yes, Apple could really learn a lot from Behringer. Instead of creating a product that people didn't even know they wanted and which would, you could argue, alter society on a global scale, they should look into slavishly reverse-engineering niche music products.

knewspeak

@supadom said:

Sadly I don’t believe it has patch saving, which would make it a PITA to program live, whilst strapped-on.

knewspeak

@ExAsperis99 said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

c'mon man. A little R&D for a couple of their synths that market their reuse of 'classic' components ain't even in the same sport, let alone league, as creating the iPhone, etc.

Not that I think Apple ethics are something to aspire to.

In scale your correct, but again, I reiterate, ethically, very similar, but at least, Behringer have engaged with the music scene, to decide what they would like produced. A lesson that Apple could well learn.

Yes, Apple could really learn a lot from Behringer. Instead of creating a product that people didn't even know they wanted and which would, you could argue, alter society on a global scale, they should look into slavishly reverse-engineering niche music products.

I still longingly await the iCar too!

[Deleted User]

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Exactly. And if people stop buying from the companies that put money into R&D and innovate, then eventually there will be no new things to buy, just endless cheap copies of old stuff.

ExAsperis99

@knewspeak said:

@ExAsperis99 said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:
I don’t see much difference from Apples ethics, compared to Behringers ethics, apart from one being high in price to buy, the other low in price.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Next time I’m over in Manchester, I’ll ask them what they do.

c'mon man. A little R&D for a couple of their synths that market their reuse of 'classic' components ain't even in the same sport, let alone league, as creating the iPhone, etc.

Not that I think Apple ethics are something to aspire to.

In scale your correct, but again, I reiterate, ethically, very similar, but at least, Behringer have engaged with the music scene, to decide what they would like produced. A lesson that Apple could well learn.

Yes, Apple could really learn a lot from Behringer. Instead of creating a product that people didn't even know they wanted and which would, you could argue, alter society on a global scale, they should look into slavishly reverse-engineering niche music products.

I still longingly await the iCar too!

Dude, it's an iJetpack. Come on, you KNOW this.

Will

@knewspeak said:

@supadom said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:
I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Unfortunately this doesn’t fund the manufacturer of the synths.

It does indirectly. Easily the guy who sells gear second hand buys other gear with the funds.

Or drugs, or to subscribe to Apples latest subscription model

Wait, Apple is getting into subscription drugs??

audiblevideo

@kobamoto said:
IBM

True.

And true in many other cases.

Lots of things are iterative and liberally lift successful ideas. Including industrial design UI OS and electronics. If you copy you still have to do the leg work in making sure it’s engineered correctly - unless your just exactly copying someone else’s blueprints or reverse engineering it.

Being cheap on cost most of the time has to do with economies of scale, sometimes inferior parts, sometimes cheap skilled labor or robots.

One does R&D, the other doesn't.

Exactly. And if people stop buying from the companies that put money into R&D and innovate, then eventually there will be no new things to buy, just endless cheap copies of old stuff.

Yup yup

knewspeak

@syrupcore said:

@knewspeak said:

@supadom said:

@knewspeak said:

@syrupcore said:
I like cheap synths too. That's why I buy almost everything used.

Unfortunately this doesn’t fund the manufacturer of the synths.

It does indirectly. Easily the guy who sells gear second hand buys other gear with the funds.

Or drugs, or to subscribe to Apples latest subscription model

Wait, Apple is getting into subscription drugs??

Apple orchards forever

audiblevideo

Wait, Apple is getting into subscription drugs??

Apple orchards forever

Amazons getting into health insurance. Apple is getting into health care.

RUST( i )K

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Thomas

This is worth it for the sequencer alone.

jolico

Better hit record for that one time that the sequencer will work

RUST( i )K

Sonicflux

@RUST( i )K said:

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Holy crap. Why are you so bad at simple formatting?

supadom

@Sonicflux said:

@RUST( i )K said:

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Holy crap. Why are you so bad at simple formatting?

This read well to me...it’s called poetry

RUST( i )K

@Sonicflux said:

@RUST( i )K said:

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Holy crap. Why are you so bad at simple formatting?

I bought one of those super cheap computers for like 80% less than its competitor.

Keys don't always work.......

RUST( i )K

@supadom said:

@Sonicflux said:

@RUST( i )K said:

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Holy crap. Why are you so bad at simple formatting?

This read well to me...it’s called poetry

In a sense....

u0421793

@RUST( i )K said:

@supadom said:

@Sonicflux said:

@RUST( i )K said:

@brambos said:

@RUST( i )K said:
How does this "hurt" other manufacturers?

Unless someone is a share holder or employee of a competing company there is no rational reason why a good product at an affordable price is anything less than a good thing.

Put simply, because people who have no insights in the R&D and manufacturing costs of these products will think Behringer products are fairly priced and all other brands are just ripping them off. It skewes the perception of the gear-buying public. Of course that's going to hurt the industry. There's a reason why 'dumping' is considered an illegal trade practice by the WTO: same principle.

When the Volca Modular was announced people thought that was a great value proposition. 5 days later people are saying it's overpriced. See what happened there?

R & D for synths being reworked by BHriger.

Rx and tech I get.

But we are talking synths that for the most part are 10 or 20 years old. Not much R and D there as far as I see.

Not so much.

Frankly, the people I see commenting are nothing more than music enthusiasts who buy apps like your because they love to make music. I see people happy to have an affordable option.

I am no fan of the WTO to be honest. I don't think a synth for $300 is an issue unless a 10 year old is making it. And if the kid is fed well, its cool with me. (kidding)

I am a fan of economist like Porter who really nailed this sort of thing on his generic market strategies and competition models.

I will add this. iPhone.

I almost see MOOG getting to that point.

Where we don't get new versions of products much because then the old version would need to be a lower price point.

So instead of doing new and improved versions that would lower market value of items like say the Sub or Mother ....they stay hard on those prices with the same item.

That's cool. The items are the best in the industry as far as I think.

But they can't have products of this age and never make new versions and expect to keep prices going up.

I don't see how MOOG can have products that are the same product and keep raising prices each year.

Know why they could?

Because no company did what Behringer did.

Notice the Sirin. Moog sees the market trends.

Market challenges are a good thing for my money and my view on things.

I think it is a little premature to get out the Kleenex for the big international companies who make synths at this point.

I also don't think talking down on people who are adventurous enough to give a new product a try and praise it if it deserves.

I don't think people are ignorant or lack music abilities or taste by loving the new affordable products from any company.

Maybe if apps like yours won't so damn good these price options wouldn't exist..... LOL

Holy crap. Why are you so bad at simple formatting?

This read well to me...it’s called poetry

In a sense....

Innocence