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@drez I'm off this already you don't need to provide backup.
Nice !
Sauce! https://medium.com/@zaiderrr/why-toxic-tribalism-is-destroying-our-society-what-to-do-about-it-e05c3391d143
I’ve heard this groovebox reference before when talking about NS2. I don’t understand what that means. For my own education, can you tell me why you call it that? Or better: what is a groovebox?
Sorry, risking political pot stirring perhaps... (just wanted to credit the source, as if I actually read articles
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On desktop for example Reason before it got audio tracks
At least based on this naming system, i always though groovebox is for example Korg EMX, Roland MCx0x, and stuf like that.
Yah to me having a timeline really blurs the groovebox label. I have heard people try groovedaw which kind of means ‘oh a crappy daw?’ to some, heh.
Oh, ok. I guess you don’t need to provide facts then!
A groovebox is usually an all in one app/hardware/vst , it lets you create full tracks using it's internal sounds / synth engines/sampler... Normally will let you sample stuff in, with the exception of groovebox (ironic enough lol)... But doesn't have all the features of daw... Like allowing for audio tracks, eternal plugins, etc etc..
Ns2 is closer to a daw than a lot of groove boxes since you can load up other auv3 stuff, but without audio tracks and more midi options it isn't what people would expect from a full on daw, ...so I think of ns2 as an advanced groove box, because it is much bigger and open than the average... My opinion
As chairman of the Pedantry Society surely one of the main features of a Groovebox is the, er, box. If it ain’t got a box it’s just a groove.
Yes indeed, monkeys
On the other hand, Toxic Tribalists sounds like a great name for a band !
Gotta have that box lol
All other shapes are out
@AndyPlankton said:
I was playing bass with them last year.
Thanks for that explanation. I always thought of a groovebox as a pattern chainer little box with an LED screen and 16 pads at the bottom where you “make beats” and maybe a monophonic synth for “Phat Basslines” that has “stock sounds to make you an instant success without knowing anything at all about music!”. Like a drum machine except it has more sound content.
People said that about Reason as well (I’ve owned all versions of it since 1.0) and I never understood it. I guess because the music I was doing didn’t sound like what other people were cranking out with “physical” grooveboxes at the time. An I had a screen I could actually sequence in, automation, mixing, actual synth modules instead of stripped down engines and actual sampling if I wanted to do that.
Nothing I do in NS2 feels like that to me, but maybe I’m holding it wrong haha.
Boom !
GrooveSlab ?
Serious ? Not as well known as your usual hangouts
@drez I wasn't criticising Dendy for that particular post, just the general observation that when proselytising NS2 he frequently feels the need to add things like...
Statements like this are not classy. He knows it's not the way it's done around these parts. You can praise something without having to denigrate the alternatives, and you rarely hear him criticise Cubasis or Auria. The very fact he chooses the phrase 'that other DAW' shows how near the mark he has been with comments in the past.
Nothing personal, of course, just focus on the positives please.
I definitely understand where you are coming from.
But that post was literally nothing like that. At all. It was a straight up comparison that had nothing to do with bm3. And it wasn’t a negative post about Cubasis either. The guy asked the differences, it was dismissed out of hand as “you’re not missing much if you already have Cubasis” which is inaccurate. Dendy has hundreds of hours with NS2 and I’m pretty sure a fair amount with Cubasis. He stayed in his lane and showed “these are differences”. That was the question wasn’t it?
So could it be that where you guys feel dendy is consistently attacking bm3, that in turn, you guys are consistently looking for things about bm3 that aren’t even there? Maybe projecting the past into the present? Because you guys sure seemed to get a laugh about it and bashing him for something he didn’t even do. Maybe focus on the content of the post?
I was very specific about what I had no sympathy for.
It was a suggestion, clearly you believe it wasn’t appropriate for you. I specifically used the word, “could” because I respect your right to decide what you want to do. If I had used the word, “should” that would have been telling you what to do which I had no interest in doing.
If anyone posts anything, they may receive responses they don’t like.
Yes, life isn’t fair and people aren’t always nice or reasonable.
Given your previous experiences on this forum, are you surprised by some of the responses you’ve received? Doesn’t mean you deserve them.
If we take comments too much to heart and they cause us too much distress, perhaps it’s time to evaluate whether or not it’s worth our while to post here or how much we should engage with other posters when they comment?
Fair enough.
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. I don’t feel any better by disparaging other people but everyone’s different.
I'd love you to prove me wrong @drez - but I'm pretty sure I didn't project the past into this post back on page 3:
I really don't want to go this way in discussion, it leads nowhere ... But on other side when somebody is talking about me, i simply cannot stay quiet. Please i have nothing personal agains you, just correcting some misunderstandings ! From my side no bad mood to you !
I think - same way as is completely correct to say for example "Auria does audio tracks, NS2 does NOT" is correct to say "NS2 does multiple levels of track grouping and tracks drag'n'drop reordering, and BM3 does not" .. Every DAW has advantages and disadvantages. NS, BM, Cubasis,.. Don't understand what is wrong to point to both sides.
People are often asking "what app XY does have which app YZ doesn't" .. there was such question asked zillion times. People want's to know this information. That's why they are asking, thats why they are always interested in any APP comparison table..
I didn't mentioned which EXACTLY to avoid exactly flamewar like this. It was you and hansjbs who were a bit nervously reacting on this note. It was completely irrelevant for point what i wrote there which DAW i did mean. It was just example for something completely different what i was trying to say in that post.
You pushed me to say it - most wasted money for me since i started with iOS apps is actually Auria (including all it's IAPs) . Never did anything with meaningful with it. Completely out of my scope, biggest mistake in my purchase history.
On other side i did lot of tracks in BM2. I also don't think that money i used on BM3 were wasted, even through i returned it to appstore first time and then bought it second time again - it helped me to understand new things related to sampling, different approaches for music making, and in some way it helped me improve my workflows also in NS2. So i don't regret those money even through i will probably never use it for real production because
of lack of some for me crucial daw features - because i learned things. And knowledge is most precious thing i have.
So next time better not pressume what other people think, and just ask them
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Sorry if ^^^^ sounds offensive, it's not mentioned that way, asi i said on beginning , there is any bad mood from my side to you (or anybody else in this thread - i had for example nice PM discussion with @MonzoPro a i think he is good guy and he make great musi, bought some his stuff and listening it all the time - which is for me another bonus of this thread)
Just woke up to FIVE new pages of this thread!!! Dear god, give it a rest you lot. Someone needs to close this thread.
As Ferris Bueller said: "It's over... go home!"
So I guess he proved you wrong on his own. It’s not always about BM3. He doesn’t like others as well haha. Seems fair enough.
Perhaps this would be a good moment to stop discussing people and start discussing apps
I think that’s the whole problem. People can’t discuss apps anymore without factions getting offended. The whole discussion IS about apps. It always is about apps. Maybe we should have apps post instead of humans? Take the people out of it?
Ha!
I know you were. You made it very clear: "People such as @MonzoPro".
So I've gathered.
Absolutely. I never fail to be surprised by how unpleasant some people can be, or how they feel they have the right to butt into a conversation and make a negative personal comment, adding nothing to the discussion with the sole intention of stirring things up. It's not something that happens to me in 'real life', so I'm always taken aback when it happens online.
Is that your passive-agressive way of saying shut up, again?
Just because some folks are more sensitive than others, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to share their own opinions, for fear of being abused by trolls. Free speech and all that.
Anyone who doesn't use BM3 and NS2 at the same time is a pleeb.