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Korg Gadget 2 Released

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  • Really hope Gadget gets the latest version of Ableton Link with start Stop.

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    Really hope Gadget gets the latest version of Ableton Link with start Stop.

    I think the newest Link libraries require re-coding of existing stuff for the older library, which is probably why the uptake on it is currently quite slow.

  • I'd like to discuss a bit the new design of the Gadget mixer. It's not as important as the grid lines in the piano editor, but I have mixed feelings about this new look for purely aesthetic reasons. (BTW the grid lines in Zurich are light and are perfectly visible unlike in the MIDI editors.)

    I really like that it's flat and that tracks are coloured now, but I really feel it doesn't look as sharp as before. There are some soft bevels that make it looked blurry compared to Gadget 1. Especially the buttons, but also the separators between mixer channels and the displays with loaded gadgets, input, pan and reverb send displays, meters, actually almost all elements look "softer now".

    I think the design of Electribe Wave is excellent, a great mix of flat and 3D design and everything looks sharp.

    I'll admit that I am possibly more susceptible to those small details because I am a designer myself (I also designed some VST plugins, most notably for LinPlug and NUSofting), not everybody will be bothered by that.

    What do you guys think? And let's include our dear @davis_korgrd into the discussion.

    Here is the comparison:

  • They spelled "Centre" wrong. ;-)

  • edited March 2019

    @Carnbot said:
    Love the update.. hope we can get independent triggerable clips next, also program change per synth/scene would be really useful as I seem to end up having a lot more tracks than necessary and they just need the ability to change patch for each scene to reduce the number and make it more tidy.

    Plus AB statesaving would make it possible to save external synths with the session :)
    Otherwise, midi Program change for Gadget sessions would be a great option @davis_korgrd

    This are exactly my biggest wishes, too. I’m using Gadget with a controller, so if each synth could receive its own MIDI program change, it would help a lot! For my needs it would be enough if scenes are triggered by MIDI notes or CCs.

    AB statesaving would be a huge improvement aswell (... though an AUv3 version would be still a dream, but probably will not happen.).

    Launching individual clips is also very powerful for playing live, or to get inspirations for an arrangement.

  • edited March 2019

    @branis said:
    I'd like to discuss a bit the new design of the Gadget mixer. It's not as important as the grid lines in the piano editor, but I have mixed feelings about this new look for purely aesthetic reasons. (BTW the grid lines in Zurich are light and are perfectly visible unlike in the MIDI editors.)

    I really like that it's flat and that tracks are coloured now, but I really feel it doesn't look as sharp as before. There are some soft bevels that make it looked blurry compared to Gadget 1. Especially the buttons, but also the separators between mixer channels and the displays with loaded gadgets, input, pan and reverb send displays, meters, actually almost all elements look "softer now".

    I think the design of Electribe Wave is excellent, a great mix of flat and 3D design and everything looks sharp.

    I'll admit that I am possibly more susceptible to those small details because I am a designer myself (I also designed some VST plugins, most notably for LinPlug and NUSofting), not everybody will be bothered by that.

    What do you guys think? And let's include our dear @davis_korgrd into the discussion.

    Here is the comparison:

    I‘m not a designer, but I think Korg definitely made the interface more worse in common. Before it was much more clear, because of better contrast. Though this is a matter of taste: the new version looks somehow cheap, regarding the new blue (it’s too „pure“, before the blue was a mixture of blue, a touch of turquoise and a slight touch of grey - now it’s just a „pure blue“). But as I said, the biggest problem is the contrast.

  • edited March 2019

    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

  • Anyone know how I can import midi to multiple tracks? Import is replacing the whole song on a single track. Could not find information in the manual about this.

  • im generally a huge fan of gadget and the update, but even i have to admit the new interface is hard to read

  • @Multicellular said:
    Anyone know how I can import midi to multiple tracks? Import is replacing the whole song on a single track. Could not find information in the manual about this.

    I think it depends on the type of MIDI file you are importing. There are two types - 1 and 0, and one of them stores MIDI on separate tracks, but I'm nut sure which one.

  • @ratti said:
    im generally a huge fan of gadget and the update, but even i have to admit the new interface is hard to read

    What you see is due to accessibility options you set. I believe you turned transparency off.

  • edited March 2019

    @branis said:

    @Multicellular said:
    Anyone know how I can import midi to multiple tracks? Import is replacing the whole song on a single track. Could not find information in the manual about this.

    I think it depends on the type of MIDI file you are importing. There are two types - 1 and 0, and one of them stores MIDI on separate tracks, but I'm nut sure which one.

    Okay, helpful to at least know that is the approach. Will test some things.

    Update: Can't find the format indicator in Reaper, but simply putting on different midi channels works. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

  • edited March 2019

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

    I like it. No problem with seeing the grid, really, even though my eyes are pretty lousy.

  • edited March 2019

    solved... wish I could delete posts

  • @Jocphone said:

    @Samu said:
    For some strange reason Gadget 2 makes me want to get a bigger iPad like >15" or so...

    iMS-20 also, can barely read the labels on the standard sized iPad

    Same here. Was thinking about buying some reading glasses

  • Love that when placing notes on the grid you hear it before letting go. Suits my style. Love the saturator. The colors. Track naming. The easy automation. Took a little break to really use au plugins (still will) but I’M BACK

    My major pet peeve is that i though fades were going to be in zurich to solve that problem. Not fade in/out fir the whole scene. That i can do while mastering. But i’ll take it

  • I've been too lazy to check and my eyes are about go bananas with the gradients but do the audio-gadgets now do time-stretching? (I mean they do use a LOT more CPU in Gadget 2 compared to the previous version).

  • @RajahP said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I'm loving the update. I still end up with a batch of scenes that don't work together as a song...but that's lack of musical ability on my part.

    Keep grinding skipper.

    It's a strange issue. I end up with lots of very good sounding scenes in themselves, but after jamming about on them they bear little connection with the previous ones. So I end up with a half-finished song that has several mini songs inside it.

    Weird. Discipline required.

    Then again.. Gadget has the best EXPORT system in the Biz.. That export to Ableton is golden (Midi too). Now, if only Ableton Live would do a proper ‘scene shap-shot’... Their ‘Capture and Insert’ is really lame..

    Edit.. Geist did it ages ago.. BTW.. isn’t FXpansion now Roli...?

    What's wrong with Capture and Insert scene? I mean - Ableton Midi clips are not patterns, so something like Geist's approach wouldn't really work - you need it to duplicate the currently playing clips to a new scene.

  • So, with the introduction of Taipei, the ability to import and play a midi file in gadget or even the new taipei is still is not possible????

    I have existing gadget midi files, that gadget itself can't open with taipei? seriously?

  • @Breezee said:
    So, with the introduction of Taipei, the ability to import and play a midi file in gadget or even the new taipei is still is not possible????

    I have existing gadget midi files, that gadget itself can't open with taipei? seriously?

    Taipei is not a MIDI file player, it wasn’t advertised as one AFAIK. But, yes, MIDI file import is still basic. There are workarounds with e.g. Xequence or Modstep, so it’s not impossible, but it’s more work.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

    I think you are mistaking those that agree with you for everyone. Lots of people don't share your opinion but might not feel the need to mention it.

  • I’m still totally loving Gadget. Still no battery or heat issues, and wonderful having an iMS20 in there - particularly when you can easily automate the knobs.

    Also loving the Koala sampler for added weirdness.

    Happy days!

  • edited March 2019

    @Eclipxe said:

    @RajahP said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I'm loving the update. I still end up with a batch of scenes that don't work together as a song...but that's lack of musical ability on my part.

    Keep grinding skipper.

    It's a strange issue. I end up with lots of very good sounding scenes in themselves, but after jamming about on them they bear little connection with the previous ones. So I end up with a half-finished song that has several mini songs inside it.

    Weird. Discipline required.

    Then again.. Gadget has the best EXPORT system in the Biz.. That export to Ableton is golden (Midi too). Now, if only Ableton Live would do a proper ‘scene shap-shot’... Their ‘Capture and Insert’ is really lame..

    Edit.. Geist did it ages ago.. BTW.. isn’t FXpansion now Roli...?

    What's wrong with Capture and Insert scene? I mean - Ableton Midi clips are not patterns, so something like Geist's approach wouldn't really work - you need it to duplicate the currently playing clips to a new scene.

    The idea is to capture the ‘state’ of the DAW.. it has nothing to do with if it’s a midi clip or not..

    Capture and Insert is weak.. you need to make sure that your scene tab is in place then hit Cmd+Shift+I.. it’s a little demanding for a critical feature in song creation (for me)..

    Now, why would anyone discontinue this app?

    Edit... KRFT did it so well.. That too was discontinued.. Sorry didn’t mean to hijack the thread..

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

    I think you are mistaking those that agree with you for everyone. Lots of people don't share your opinion but might not feel the need to mention it.

    The majority of people then.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

    I think you are mistaking those that agree with you for everyone. Lots of people don't share your opinion but might not feel the need to mention it.

    The majority of people then.

    How would you know? The voices of people that speak out is not necessarily statistically representative. You are certainly entitled to your opinion,but a count of comments on a forum such as ours is not a statistically sound sample.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    New UI is crap. Love the features... hate the dark asymmetrical and quirkiness of the background. Hate it.

    Dude, go scream in a pillow or something. You've posted this, like, ten times.

    Worth repeating I think. Not enraged, it’s just an objectively ugly design choice and pretty much everyone concurs.

    I think you are mistaking those that agree with you for everyone. Lots of people don't share your opinion but might not feel the need to mention it.

    The majority of people then.

    How would you know? The voices of people that speak out is not necessarily statistically representative. You are certainly entitled to your opinion,but a count of comments on a forum such as ours is not a statistically sound sample.

    Mate I’m not going to debate with you. It’s ugly and a distraction and several people on this thread have given reasoned statements as to why it’s also bad for people with weak eyesight etc. Before the update no one was complaining about the UI, they were complaining about other lacking features. Now after the update features are still lacking and we’ve got an inferior UI. It matters because we paid big money and invested all our energies in this DAW, there are expectations that follow, namely don’t take away what we already paid for, including our preferred shade of blue.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2019

    @RajahP said:
    Edit... KRFT did it so well.. That too was discontinued.. Sorry didn’t mean to hijack the thread..

    Huh? Why do you say KRFT is “discontinued”?? What does that even mean?

  • edited March 2019

    Gadget2 inside BM3 setup for anyone who’s interested.

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