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One can certainly use AB3, miRack and Loopy together without AUM. But I find AUM's bus architecture useful. So, the AB3/Loopy/AUM combo is my preferred live jam setup. Here is a quick demo that might show you what is so attractive about it.
I hope so, but as it’s been in testing for less than a day yet, maybe it’s worth waiting for more results:)
My test was pretty brief. I won't have a chance to dig in deeper till tomorrow.
Ok thanks guys, guess this thread will be a daily watch now 👌
Amazing update btw! I’m amazed at how efficient it is.. . Plataeu reverbs take barely 1% each on my iPad’s A12x cpu.. 6 basic OSC, 3 filters and handful of LFOs = barely 1-2% . The most complicated demo patch barely topped 17% ... I expected it’s easily be 50% higher load than that. Just goes to show how much untapped potential these machines have!
is MiRack taking advantage of multiple cores? I imagine AUV3 will handicap it some in that regard, if so—but not enough to severely constrain experimentation & creativity. It currently easily exceeds my older 3700k i7 PC, even keeping up or besting my new 8700k mac mini.
P.s. Shame re: grayscale drama. That was completely unnecessary on his part. What really irks me is how he’s claiming to speak for Andrew, when the man is clearly able to speak for himself and seems to have a much more moderate, reasonable stance.
Yes, it does. This is both bad (single core is just not enough for it) and good (can use more cores on newer Pro device if necessary in future).
I don't really know about or want to discuss their relationship. But I must admit that my (rather short) conversations with Andrew have always been reasonable and he has never been hostile towards miRack for iOS or my previous VCV-related work. That is, until certain point, when he changed his mind, closed the forum thread, cancelled some past agreements with me, etc. I don't know what happened, but I suspect Wes played part in this.
@mifki a good amount of people use AUM hosting only when making ios music
More good news - miRack is now on Patchstorage! Thanks to Patchstorage for a super-quick response.
However I have several notes:
I discovered a bug that causes the app to crash if a patch is opened from other app (e.g. Files) and miRack is NOT running. The solution is, well, to have miRack running when opening something.
As currently miRack uses a folder-based format, you have to zip it first to upload and unzip after download. This is very easy on iOS 13 though, just touch and hold a patch in Files app and compress, then upload via browser. I will move to a file-based in one of the next updates, so this will be easier.
You have to provide an image for each patch you upload, so I suggest just make a screenshot and use it, this is pretty easy too. In future there hopefully will be an API so that Patchstorage will be accessible from within the app.
They (Patchstorage guys) asked to upload several patches so that the new platform on the website doesn't look empty, so go ahead!
Congrats! Uploaded a simple rhythm patch. Once we have audio out for recording this is going to be an amazing platform for sonic exploration.
epic! Did quick check with iPad Mini 5 (2019) and except of single crackle when i first time switch between miRack and Audiobus everything is smooth .. this crackle happens just first time, after that i can switch during playback/recording to audioshare via audiobus and no crackles, everything rock solid stable ...
Evening will do more tests, so far it looks great !
I guess @espiegel123 used AUM in this case just as one of possible receivers in AB chain .. But thanks to fact you added AB SDK output support, miRack now can be loaded also DIRECTLY into any IAA compatible app even without audiobus, just as plain IAA Generator (becasue basic IAA generator support is included as a part of AB SDK)
Here miRack loaded directly into AUM without audiobus, works like a charm - acually even better than with AB becasue there i NO crack at all when i switch from AUM to miRack
I find the AB panel very useful to switch between apps and start/stop playback/recording. It was pointed out to me that for AUM it would be good to add a button manually to the UI to go back to AUM. Also, I can't seem to find how to output to another app in AUM (AudioShare, Loopy, GarageBand, etc.) - is this possible?
With AUM you need to activate the record on the channel for the audio to be captured in audioshare but its not direct monitoring I believe. You can output mirack audio into AU/IAA apps which provide monitor input like Spacecraft Granular for example, just add the app as an AUFX/IAA in AUM.
Wow, recording directly to AUM is huge step in usability. May I ask how it receiving clock from host?
Plus it’ll load in group the loop!
Not from AUM.. for routing App to App is Audiobus .. AUM is more for live jamming ... of course you can route ooutput from AUM to other app - using Audiobus
@mifki is there any chance that we could have a method to trigger the randomize ability on an individual module?
This may not seem a core request but I often find that I discover setups to a module using the randomizer that I owuldn't get to myself by twidlling the knobs.
One use case would be that a user could then trigger it from a physical key while experimenting, much easier than calling up the menu and clicking the option. Also it would be great to trigger from a clock divider so that we could record say 20 minutes of random changes and then edit out the bits that sound good into a DAW or looper.
miRack with FX is so great! Only had a limited time to try the beta so far, but this is fantastic.
@mifki : is Audiobus state-saving implemented in the beta?
+1
Thanks for the great update and tutorial and all!
Awesome update! Special thanks for adding module position lock!
It appears that AB state-saving isn't implemented. It would be great if it were implemented -- as it would allow to set up sessions that are easy to return to.
@mifki : just spent the morning with Loopy+AB3+AUM+miRack and having so much fun. No crashes or crackles -- played around with adding some favorite AUv3 as inserts. All working very nicely on my iPad 6th Gen. CPU totally under control.
The addition of Audiobus will make mirack so much more useful to me.
Great job. Thanks for adding this.
That's a good idea. I think this will be a part of bigger work related to preset management, so that you're able to save presets, then "load" some of them into a module, and optionally also trigger switching between the loaded ones. Doesn't mean I won't add randomisation separately earlier, I just need to think how it all will be in the UI in a consistent way.
I'll see about AB state-saving, but probably it will come later so that it doesn't delay the release of core AB functionality.
Brilliant. This would take it way beyond being just a hardware modular emulator. But there’s no rush. The AudioBus integration alone has already made miRack hugely useful and I’m having a ball playing with a small handful of the modules available already.
Ok broke down and bought it last night knowing AB was in beta. AB state saving will be nice for the live guys .. but just being able to record it into Cubasis or Auria Pro via AB will be huge for a lot of us studio folks. Can’t wait till core AB is available .. hopefully soon. Thanks big time mifki 👍
I'd like to nominate the Stellare Link module as a module to have ported to miRack, if possible. Being able to sync clock via Ableton Link would be huge.
VCV blogpost added today fyi:
https://community.vcvrack.com/t/postmortem-on-racks-gpl-relicensing/6253