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Current "Basic" modules pack lools WAAAY much better than original VCV fundamentals :-))
Man, what a shame you have to put up with all this bullshit noise, cause that's all it is... the more I see stuff like this the LESS I want to use VCV rack, or, I certainly wouldn't purchase any modules from folks that are nitpicking this hard.
I haven't been following along super closely, but you seem to be crossing T's and dotting I's to the extreme, which is great! It's just a shame that so many cycles are being wasted on this garbage...
@mifki Seeing as you have access to the source code, it shouldn’t be too hard to rewrite the modules in question, making a few functional changes/enhancements and release the revised modules as replacements. There are plenty of lookalike apps on the AppStore that haven’t been removed, so you’ve probably got a decent amount of time to kick those original modules into touch. Neither Wes nor Andrew are synth designers, they can’t copyright principles of synthesis.
I’m not going to put my money on VCV or modules released by those inflated egos. I Hope Wes and Andrew reconsider that stupid and childist attitude.
Lulz. Perhaps Wes should have a talk with Dieter Doepfer. Talking about blatant copying.
Hey thanks for basic synth patch! Sorry to hear there is drama that’s weak, we love you man!
Uninstalling VCV Rack.....
From what I read this dude is just tying to appropriate what he himself copied from hardware? Am I correct?
Anyway, please don’t waste your time on that nonsense, and use just as generic, minimalistic, “dark mode” design and typeface as you can. But please try to save the layout compatibility with VCV, where you can get the support of original modules’ designers.
I think I understand this person's type. I've dealt with many like him. No amount of concessions will make him happy. He's already made that plain by his ever expanding definition of "derivative works". He just wants the evil profit-generating app store version to be taken down. Sadly, probably all that can be done is to air the actual interactions as mifki has done.
Complaining to Apple is a low blow. He probably knows he doesn't have to actually prove anything to inflict harm.
So sorry to see this going on. I have read the interactions on the VCV forum, and it's very, very plain to see that mifki is working hard to be considerate and respectful of every developer's stated, implied, and even later evolved license intent.
What I don't get is that if it's so 'easy' to make a iOS wrapper for VCV Rack then why don't they do it themselves?
From now on I will NOT show any support for the desktop VCV Rack as it seems to be run but envious morons...
Humm...
That kind of talk is off base IMO. That is lumping module developers who have been open and supportive in with one person with a nasty ego problem (who also seems to be successfully inflaming the other core vcv rack developer). That has the potential to make the good guys feel like mifki is stirring up resentment against them.
Not a good turn to the conversation, IMO. This one guy poisoned the well. No need to throw the family down it.
@wim : I agree
+1000
right! as @mifki has noted, most of the module developers are on board with mirack. No need to go thumping one's chest about boycotting them.
To clarify I'm not against the module developers themselves.
If I was the developer of 'core' VCVRack I would be happy if someone else did the heavy lifting porting it to another platform and welcome them on the team
But now it's seems more like they want to 'kill' the iOS version and that to me feels like a bad move...
Definitely a bad move on the part of the developers. But boycotting VCV itself or encouraging others to do so is shooting the good guys in the foot. If they sell modules (or even get warm and fuzzy feelings from giving them away), VCV Rack's continued success is necessary to that.
Patching up feelings and egos if possible** is what's needed here, not inflaming tensions further. All it would take is one post accusing mifiki of stirring up resentment in the iOS community to cause a lot of harm.
(** not that I especially think that's possible.)
The irony of Grayscale having a problem with this is hilarious. He produces Buchla clones from Mutable Instruments open source code. Won’t be buyIng anything from him ever again.
Yay, new Valley modules in the miRack update
I agree. Having seen a number of these situations play out, fanning the flames -- even unintentionally, doesn't work. Clearly Grayscale on track isn't working but further irritating will only make it worse. Going on fora and trashing him won't help anyone.
Best to just let mifki continue good-faith efforts to show his good-faith. Maybe Grayscale will eventually let things go or he won't. But making him defensive won't help him let go. It is hard to know what drives some people. Some people have idiosyncratic ways of seeing things and can't be reasoned with.
If the points raised in the Medium article are accurate, then it seems to me that Wes Milholen is trying to change what other people can do with the source code after the fact rather than sticking with what’s covered by the open source licenses.
I never had any interest in installing VCV Rack on my laptop and they didn’t create a version which ran on iOS. Attacking the miRack developer seems very misguided and inconsistent with open source development. Hopefully more people in the VCV Rack community will support the development of miRack.
If the aggressive approach Wes Milholen is taking successfully derails the development of miRack, I think it’d have a chilling effect on any future development using VCV Rack open source code as the miRack developer appears to be trying to address reasonable concerns. It could potentially sour other open source efforts too as the confidence to develop based upon the open source license terms could not be relied upon if your efforts can be torpedoed by the open source community if your work doesn’t line up with their goals or vision.
Indeed, and improvements.
I’d rather concentrate on this than some guy with ... issues.
Audiobus support for the beta testers!
Thanks for all the comments:)
On the bright side there are two great news I want to share (and some I can't yet share).
Version 1.06 is out:
MODULES
FEATURES
BUG FIXES
Also, I've made a version with initial AudioBus support available to beta testers. It works fine on iPad 6 in the configurations (patches, effects, audio recorder) I tried. I noticed some occasional audio crackling when switching between apps. Obviously, more testing is needed on different devices and with different apps.
Glad things are looking up sir. Can’t wait for the good news. And appreciate the quick updates immensely
Well, initially (apart from all the bullshit about me using the same fonts/colours/removing logos which was never the case) he claimed that not just the graphics but the layouts of Fundamental modules and the overall style are copyrighted. When I tried to do basically what you say and just use minimalistic design (and change the layout, too), he stated that it ("moving graphics" as he called) wasn't enough and demanded the removal of the modules altogether because "they just do not want them to be there" - he even "forgot" about his claims that the component graphics is "stolen" too and promised to resolve the complaint if I just remove the modules!
I'm pretty much ignoring him now as anything I will do anyway does not guarantee he'll be "happy". However his App Store complaint is still a problem and making this public was also to let users know about this in case Apple will make a decision to remove the app or I will have to remove Fundamental modules to prevent that.
It appears that the Medium post has been nixed 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah, I don't even know why I chose to publish there when I have my blog, I need to figure out the formatting and republish.
Man this is a big pile of poo for nothing. All this does is impede progress. That is not what I call artistic value at all. I hope this gets resolved but like I said the basic modules aren't really needed, there are other alternatives modules for them.
@mifki : this beta is working nicely. I have miRack bussed into Loopy via AB3 and AUM on my iPad 6th under iOS 12.3.1. No crackles. CPU numbers look good.
Is there any particular reason to use AUM in this case or was it just for a test?
I realise this. If there will be no other choice and I'll have to do that, it's not a big loss. However that would surely affect existing users and I'd have to explain the situation to everyone anyway.
Awesome news 👍 Been waiting for a way to record audio with miRack before I buy it .. is Audiobus 100% certain? If so I’ll buy it now 😜