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Pretty much the only major thing is to redesign the module browser. I don't know, if there are people wanting to use this kind of app on smaller screen, then I can do that, I guess.
Maybe it will make more sense to make a Macro module and use it on iPhone as a player .
Using this on a phone is something that in theory sounds great but in practice would probably be a nightmare. I never use model 15 on the phone (just to draw a sort of parallel). Obviously I’m not speaking for everyone but I’d think it’s a lower priority item
ah yes.. “ the drama is the result of the existence of ‘the other person’ nothing to do with MY existence or actions”
I’m not sure anyone here is a professional in dealing with that kind of mental disconnect.. I might be wrong ;-)
I'm glad that this drama seems to be dissipating and moving toward resolution.
But let's be real @vortico. it does take two to tango and the lack of responsibility for your own part in this drama is what has been keeping me from having much sympathy to your plight. To be fair, neither side dealt with it well. But your refusal to accept the offer of mediation, as well as banning Vitaly's defense on your own forum (you call it what you want, but that's how I see it) while expecting the right to do the same here, is highly questionable.
this forum is specifically for the discussion, support, ideas, patches, music, and development for iOS music making, not a platform to defend the honor of VCV.
I'm glad it's all moving forward. I'm truly not attempting to stir the pot (@dendy, that was really unhelpful and uncool), just wanted to speak my piece.
Agreed. @mifki Maybe speak to your ios dev peers on if a universal version is worth making due to better sales. This could be a motivator.
Ok. For me the biggest sort of issue with adding iPhone version is that you can never remove it afterwards, so even if it turns out no-one really needs it, I'll still have to support it, test, make screenshots, etc. But at some point I can make a beta build with iPhone support if anyone wants to try how usable it is.
That certainly also depends on which iPhone model it's used. The size difference between the smallest (5SE) and the largest (x Plus) version is quite remarkable.
On a 5SE, I'd happily use it as a preset player at least.
Dunno how many iMusicians have a Plus model.
I think most people here are happy to have you in this forum and think it’s your right to speak your views, regardless of their opinion of the situation (
That said, can you please move this to another thread. No one wants this thread sunk again, especially since the principal legal dispute has been resolved. This thread is for discussion, support, ideas, patches, music, and development for miRack.
I agree to a point but I actually use Model 15 more on my iPhone than my iPad. This is mainly due to my phone being way more powerful (iPhone 11 versus iPad Air 2!) and obviously always with me.
I haven’t yet used the iPhone version to make patches though, I just use it as a preset machine but I can tweak patches easily enough. I do move the odd cable and patch the odd thing in to
An existing patch.
But the iPad is there for sound design anyway. I’m more into compositions than sound design but when I’m in a sound design mood I’m just focussed on that rather than actually writing music. So for me I’d be more than happy to have an iPhone version of mirack that played back patches made on the iPad version.
FWIW I think for an iPhone version I am probably being greedy but I’d not want it to be just a player. But I’d be very happy if it defaulted to a much simplified macro type screen where you can put the main ‘twiddlble’ controls but still allowed you to go in and tweak something in the main interface if necessary. I doubt I’d want to build an entire patch but I think the ability to move the odd cable or patch something in would be great.
Don’t do that! Because they’ll tell you it’s not worth it financially, and I, selfishly, would love for it to happen!
Trying to do focused compositional work on an iPhone is hard*, but mucking around with building a modular patch while on the subway, etc. is exactly the kind of thing I would love to do.
*hard but not impossible, most of my use of nanostudio was on the iPhone, and even something with as dense an interface as Quantum can be used successfully.
@klownshed Yeah I should have specified, I’ve used it on the phone in the same capacity but I don’t hate myself enough to try to patch something from the top down on my iPhone LOL
👍
I used many many words just to say mirack on iPhone would be cool :-)
Haha, well i think some devs think iphones makes higher sells if i recall correctly. Well, i only got an iPad so im alright ☺️
But there would have to be an innovative way of cabling things to prevent the tiny screen from making it feel too much like trying to programme an original DX7.
“Like wallpapering your hallway through the letterbox”
Ok ok. Sorry guys, i overreacted... I just can't stand when somebody act as asshole, it tends to trigger me and i act as asshole too..
I will stay away from this thing for now ... (still i didn't changed opinion about who are bad guys here and who is victim)
The existence of miRack is not my responsibility. The fact that Vitaly made a proprietary product using my source code does not require me to give him any service whatsoever.
I do not desire a "resolution". Since 2016, it has never been my goal to help anyone who wishes to profit directly off of my work. It has always been my goal to help users of my software be able to run, review, improve, and share my software. Vitaly has taken my code and stripped these liberties from you.
On top of that, Vitaly has been nothing but a pain to communicate with, from his rude emails to me and Wes, to his lack of appreciation whatsoever of any developers of the VCV ecosystem, to the fact that he published our private emails on his blog (not that there was anything revealing in them, but doing this is extremely unprofessional in any context). For this reason, I can no longer have private correspondences with Vitaly. I have never seen such an unprofessional software developer since founding the VCV project.
So someone tell me: 1) Why should I allow him or anything about miRack on VCV communities? 2) Why should I "move toward a resolution" with him? How would the time/energy invested in these activities benefit the VCV project? How would they help promote the VCV Mission Statement? I see them as absolute dead-ends. If iOS users want to use miRack, that's fine, but I would love for users to stop bringing up me or VCV into every page of this thread. If VCV releases a "VCV Rack for iOS", I will be more than happy to be involved with any discussion about it. Until that day comes, I do not.
EDIT: Actually, I do have a resolution, but maybe I haven't said it directly enough. miRack should be made completely free/open-source software with the paywall removed from users. Paywalls may be used for original or properly licensed features or plugins. All source code should be available so that users may recompile the entire application. Graphics/non-source assets may be proprietary.
@Vortico
@mifki
Andrew, thank you for creating VCV rack. your creation, and that of other developers that have contributed to VCV rack, has indirectly given IOS users some enjoyment.
Vitaly, thank you for doing the work that was required to give IOS users miRack. the cost of the app is small considering the work that was done. i couldn't have done it myself.
Gentlemen, have you considered speaking with each other via an old fashioned phone call? The written word is sometimes a frustrating method of communication, and often contributes to misunderstandings.
I am done with seeing this thread hijacked by @Vortico and his campaign to undermine miRack.
An audiob.us member since 2014, I have never used the ignore feature before now. I am doing so now because my interest in the betterment of miRack development that this thread is supposed be doing, is being sidelined and thwarted by @Vortico’s potshots. Bye Felicia.
Bye bye @Vortico
I would really like to use it on my iPhone, mainly to play the patches I've made on the iPad, but I do use my phone a lot for music as it can handle a lot more than my old Air 2.
Patching might be a bit difficult on the smaller screen, but it wouldn't be too bad if there another option for connecting cables instead of dragging between modules, like double tapping the two ports you want to patch.
@Vortico it seems you have no timetable for bringing VCV Rack to iOS, is that correct?
@InfoCheck Not at this time, no. If any developers want to contact me to do contract work, we can evaluate it together, or perhaps I'll post a job listing if I feel it would be successful. But it's not a project I'm interested in developing myself.
PLease don´t bring back the troll,
This thread is for discussion, support, ideas, patches, music, and development for miRack.
so please not VCV, not Vortico (unless he write helping users to enjoy MiRack), not Wes and no dramas here.
Agreed, there is a separate thread for asking Andrew questions so let's use that and instead use this for miRack only.
Words to the wise.
@Michael I’m disappointed you’ve given @Vortico a platform to harass another developer. It’s clear @Vortico has no interest other than to disparage @mifki and try to get his app removed from the App Store. VCV Rack’s mission of bringing free modular software rings hollow when they’re going to these lengths to undermine the work of someone who seems to be following the terms of an open source license yet @Vortico seems to be continually applying pressure to shut him down as he regrets his original licensing decision.
It’s one thing for a developer to have headed in another direction with their open source project and have no desire to support or encourage someone who is going in a different direction but the line is crossed when they start making disparaging remarks about their work.
@LinearLineman @Michael why do you continue to give @Vortico space on this platform given his disrespectful behavior towards a developer has brought an app to iOS versus someone who simply seems to be taking pot shots?
When did I say this? This isn't my wish at all. I have also not been disrespectful to anyone here. Can you point out what you think is disrespectful?
The only reason I have posted here is because people have either directly asked me a question or talked about me or VCV. All of my comments today have been in direct response to particular posters. My intention is not to make more comments than is necessary, but I feel it is necessary to reply to questions rather than leave them unanswered.
For example, you just asked my a direct question, and I answered it. I'm not sure what you expected me to do.