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(Warning: GAS thread)MC 707: After the dust settles.....

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  • It's real easy to use, I'm liking how simple it is to grab and slice things. I just hope there's some way to truncate to save space, or that it's doing it automatically once you commit a sample to a project.

  • Just get a Deluge. That’s what I’m doing .

  • Some day I'll get one, I know I'll cave eventually 😎

  • @Tarekith said:
    It's real easy to use, I'm liking how simple it is to grab and slice things. I just hope there's some way to truncate to save space, or that it's doing it automatically once you commit a sample to a project.

    like does the screen show the value of the sample after you trim it and put it on a pad, or if you trim then put on a pad and delete the original does that delete the trimmed version?

  • If you actually liked the sound of a soma lyra. Would you buy that and just layer recorded audio in a IOS daw or would you buy a deluge or 707 ( laptop even ) and just use ios synths?

  • Thats the question then. Loads of Ios synths including a lyra, plus volca drum and volca modular. Or sort of a remix unit.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @Tarekith said:
    It's real easy to use, I'm liking how simple it is to grab and slice things. I just hope there's some way to truncate to save space, or that it's doing it automatically once you commit a sample to a project.

    like does the screen show the value of the sample after you trim it and put it on a pad, or if you trim then put on a pad and delete the original does that delete the trimmed version?

    No idea, if I remember to think about it this weekend I'll try.

  • really interested in what might be possible with using samples as oscillators via the 707's UI

  • I actually think I may want one now.

    After I get rid of Circuit and get washing machine fixed I will press pause.

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    I actually think I may want one now.

    After I get rid of Circuit and get washing machine fixed I will press pause.

    Man you are something, get that youtube channel up and running! Have you used that bloody octatrack yet?

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    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    and also is there any kind of side chain comp?

    does anyone know if you can record changing the waveforms of the oscillators into the sequencer?

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    @Max23 said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    Thoughts?

    Thoughts vs MPC Live and Octatrack?

    I am personally starting warm up the idea of the MC 707 being part of the studio.

    Octatrack is such a wonderful thought but the lack of connectivity with USB functionality and lack of upgrades of firmware make me hesitant....also paranoid of a new box from them.

    Also, I hear rumblings of a Circuit "pro" is possible?

    MPC Live price down ...... really like the new upgrades ......seems like a best of both worlds with a computer in a box but still not tethered to a DAW.

    MC 707 may be a real world computer/DAW replacement?

    What are you thinking a little bit into the MC 707 after looking and watching a few things on it?

    Any real pro or cons come to mind?

    mpc live vs octatrack vs mc707 ?

    the mpc live is the only of these items that does abelton link via bluetooth.
    that's very sexy.
    as you seem to like iOS stuff

    Just got my MPC Live in the mail yesterday after being just on the edge of deciding on
    the Octatrack. I’m SOO glad I went this way — there’s nothing at all in the way of creating anything you can imagine; it’s the most efficient interface design I’ve had the pleasure of using, with more power under the hood than I even expected.

    Just comparing the software features and HW specs of MPC to mc 707, it’s no contest. I do suppose limitation can inspire creativity, but it can also hamper growth.

    Perhaps the workflow style of 707 might make it a more playable instrument for live performance, but if it’s intended use is for home production, it’s missing far too many features compared to the competition in its price range. ( Deluge and MPC)

  • @kobamoto said:
    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    Maybe it's because I grew up with samplers like AKAI S1000 etc., but why would anyone need more sample time than that? People have made albums that are shorter than that.. :o

  • edited December 2019

    @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    Maybe it's because I grew up with samplers like AKAI S1000 etc., but why would anyone need more sample time than that? People have made albums that are shorter than that.. :open_mouth:

    Akai S1000 was a Pain in the ass due to the short sample memory. Sure you can make music with it plus it has its own sound but its 2019 and more sample memory allows more creativity and experimentation IMO. Simpler on Ableton is an great example of that.

  • @kobamoto said:
    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    and also is there any kind of side chain comp?

    does anyone know if you can record changing the waveforms of the oscillators into the sequencer?

    I think I read that the max SD card size is 64GB, but don't quote me on that. You can use up to 6 minutes of stereo samples, or 12 minutes mono in the tone and drum tracks. The looper and audio recording only get 60MB, and currently it's only via the real time sampling functionality just added that you can slice loops. As of yet, I don't think you can say load a loop from the SD and then slice it, and I'm not sure if after slicing the audio still uses your 60MB sample pool or gets added to the 6 minute one.

    There's no direct sidechaining, but for 4/4 beats you can do similar sounding things via the motion designer.

    No you cannot record changing the OSC waveform or type.

  • @brambos said:

    @kobamoto said:
    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    Maybe it's because I grew up with samplers like AKAI S1000 etc., but why would anyone need more sample time than that? People have made albums that are shorter than that.. :o

    the Sample time isn't the issue it's the storage, the digitakt only has a limited amount of storage so that you end up doing allot of switching to different sample sets because you can only store 1gig on the unit, no sd card, no other external storage available... so you've got to go through the hassle of connecting to a computer and switching out one gig for another via their transfer app... in this day and age with storage so cheap I don't know why oh why oh why :/

  • @Tarekith said:

    @kobamoto said:
    so basically is it the case that you can have as large an sd card full of samples as you want accessed by the MC-707 but you just only have 12 min of sample time per project... but your storage unlike the digitakt is unlimited?

    and also is there any kind of side chain comp?

    does anyone know if you can record changing the waveforms of the oscillators into the sequencer?

    I think I read that the max SD card size is 64GB, but don't quote me on that. You can use up to 6 minutes of stereo samples, or 12 minutes mono in the tone and drum tracks. The looper and audio recording only get 60MB, and currently it's only via the real time sampling functionality just added that you can slice loops. As of yet, I don't think you can say load a loop from the SD and then slice it, and I'm not sure if after slicing the audio still uses your 60MB sample pool or gets added to the 6 minute one.

    There's no direct sidechaining, but for 4/4 beats you can do similar sounding things via the motion designer.

    No you cannot record changing the OSC waveform or type.

    thanks Tarekith, just picked mine up and will run it through it's paces tomorrow.
    that's a shame about not being able to record the osc/waveforms changing etc... that kind of thing would really push this beat machine over the top, not unlike automating sample slots on elektron gear..... guess I will make that my first feature request to Roland.

  • @Eschatone said:

    Just got my MPC Live in the mail yesterday after being just on the edge of deciding on
    the Octatrack. I’m SOO glad I went this way — there’s nothing at all in the way of creating anything you can imagine; it’s the most efficient interface design I’ve had the pleasure of using, with more power under the hood than I even expected.

    Just comparing the software features and HW specs of MPC to mc 707, it’s no contest. I do suppose limitation can inspire creativity, but it can also hamper growth.

    Perhaps the workflow style of 707 might make it a more playable instrument for live performance, but if it’s intended use is for home production, it’s missing far too many features compared to the competition in its price range. ( Deluge and MPC)

    yeah I love the mpc, I swear it's the most underrated beat machine in history
    my absolute fav for sequencing outboard gear amongst other things

  • so far, the 707 reminds me more of maschine than anything

  • No song mode, no thanks.. I’ll take the Deluge

  • they'll implement a song mode, and the way they are going right now it probably won't be too long, I'm still interested in the Deluge though as they are pretty different beast

  • Tarekith were you able to track down the cause of the 'steps reverting' issue?

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    @kobamoto said:
    so far, the 707 reminds me more of maschine than anything

    How is it on day 3? I own an Octatrack MKII, and I've been eyeing the MC707, or the MPCLive....just not sure honestly....

  • The MC-707 looks very interesting feature-wise so I took the chance to get my hands on the following boxes for a few hours:
    elektron Octatrack Mk2
    elektron Digitakt
    Roland MC-707
    Akai MPC Live
    Akai Force
    Korg Electribe and E. Sampler

    Since I'm mainly using both desktop and iPad apps, I'm considering to add hardware groove boxes with the expectation to add a form of immediate and intuitive, fun workflow that isn't available on desktop or iOS apps.
    Since this thread is about the 707, I'll only give my impression about this box.
    First of all, the list of features is great and promises quite everything that the average electronic musician could want. The concept of large mixer channels surrounded by buttons for the functions most often needed looks like an intuitive solution.
    When starting to use the different functions like writing synth patterns with chords, drum patterns, slicing real-world loops and selecting and editing sounds, it becomes apparent that the LCD display plays an important role in the workflow and I find it much too small for the purpose. Sure, a few plastic faders and knobs are cheaper than a large LCD touch display but then, what's the point of using hardware?
    That property becomes even more clear when switching over to the MPC Live or Force. Both have large touch displays that let you really know what's happening and when seeing the AKAIs and the 707 side by side, I can't get rid of the impression that Roland's aim was to put all the most important features into one box while AKAI's aim was to build a box for musicians that want to make music and get the job done without too many obstacles.

    I've been using Roland gear for ages and they've built many good products but in case of the MC-707 I cannot get rid of the impression that cost cutting has won over making a product that is really fun to use. The software isn't bad but the user interface fails to impress me, and isn't that the main argument for using hardware?
    If I had to pick one that I could have fun and be productive with, it'd still be one of the AKAIs or the elektron Digitakt.

  • I've still only been able to get at it in spurts, gonna have to wait until this weekend to give it the real focus I need, my first impression is that it has an impressive selection of features but I'm not sure yet if I like where they are located... like having nice furniture but how it Is set up in a room is crucial...

  • edited December 2019

    NAMM is soon, might be worth waiting to see if something pops up there. The elektron model samples price has been slashed in Europe. Not sure if that means anything but the store has high stocks...

  • edited December 2019

    @[Deleted User] said:
    NAMM is soon, might be worth waiting to see if something pops up there. The elektron model samples price has been slashed in Europe. Not sure if that means anything but the store has high stocks...

    True. I can wait one more month...and then wait 4 more months for whatever cool thing is released to ship🤪

    I really hope Novation has an 8 Track Circuit with MidiOut or something like that.

    CircuitPro ya know

  • I will say that on the digitakt at the same point I was that I am now on the 707 I was ecstatic

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    @echoopera said:

    @[Deleted User] said:
    NAMM is soon, might be worth waiting to see if something pops up there. The elektron model samples price has been slashed in Europe. Not sure if that means anything but the store has high stocks...

    True. I can wait one more month...and then wait 4 more months for whatever cool thing is released to ship🤪

    I really hope Novation has an 8 Track Circuit with MidiOut or something like that.

    CircuitPro ya know

    Novation certainly now have quite some tech and knowledge to make something very interesting, surely we will see another sampler/groove box all-in-one hardware unit next year from a biggish player.
    It something many people talk about.

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