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Oh, bummer. That's typical Roland. Everything they do is just half-solution, with not fine tuned details. That's their tradition for years. Pity.
Yes I’ve got nearly all of them, some great sounds, the tone randomiser on the 707 is excellent you chose from several genres, it produces some really great sounds.
@MichaelLawrence On the iPad, it's stereo IN/OUT only. For the MC-101.
On WIndows, you have to install an ASIO driver which allows multi-track I/O.
@Samu Looks like we still need to boot into USB-Storage mode first to access the SD card. Oh well, can't have everything.
@dendy So true, though USB Class-Compliant audio+MIDI is pretty huge for Roland.
@knewspeak Thanks, I'll definitely need to check out Roland Cloud due to the 101's limited synth editing. Love the tone randomizer!
I've had the MC-101 attached to AUM for around 2 hours so far, MIDI Clock sync'ed to AUM, it's tight, no issues so far. No audio dropouts like on the Elektron Model:Cycles, etc. Completely battery-powered setup. You can run AUM thru Scatter FX, pretty cool.
Edit: A fresh set of Energizer rechargable batteries lasted around 4 hours (4x AAs).
Hmm, wondering MC101 will be better for sampling due to portable setup, but MC707 will be better for jamming. Hmmm, which to choose.
@Sequencer1 okay thanks for the confirmation
Really nice update, the new random Tone function is super well done. I was getting a little tired of the stock library at times, it's been a year of cruising the same sounds for me. This really opens up a lot more ideas, and is flexible enough that it's not like a lot of random patch generators where 80% of the sounds are unplayable. Arp too, nice.
I need to dive into the Zen Core+ integration more before I'll decide if I can jump though....
In a bit annoyed that the arp doesn’t hard sync to the beat of the sequencer. Sure...it’s in time bpm-wise ...but, if you don’t catch it right on beat the timining is just off. Same as with the scatter.🤦🏾♂️
Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a patch on the iPad then send to the 10ng Zenbeats 2.0? Or just edit a sound on the 101 using Zenbeats 2.0 as the front end?
I can totally understand why people would want that, but on the other hand.... I like that sometimes music making still requires some practice and hard-earned skill too. Not saying anything against you personally mind you.
It's almost like Roland fired back at Elektron, adding class-compliant USB audio and MIDI in response to Elektron doing the same for Digitakt and Digitone.
MC-707 looks like a more complete companion for IOS devices than either Elektron device, plus it has pattern chaining/song mode.
None taken! I guess my personal timing could use a little tightening up! Also, I’ve been slaving the 707 to my MPC One and using the arp on it to trigger and record onto the 707. It behaves as expected and I can still use it when I use them both together. I like using the MPC to sequence the 707...it’s a little more comprehensive as a sequencer and sampler, while the 707 is awesome for its sounds and fx. Its pretty nice to be able to record pitchbend and other cc's into the MPC's sequencer while playing the 707's sounds and rocking the faders. I still think its nuts that the Zen Core engine responds to several cc's that the onboard sequencer won't capture from an external source.
Timing is interesting, isn’t it?
Now if only Korg would respond...or Novation with a Circuit 2 to really light a fire!
I kinda want to pull the trigger on Zenology pro...but man 230 for the same engine really irks me...plus for 230 I can update my Reason 11 to suite which has a lot more value to me....
I think hardware owners should get a discount... 230 is steep for an editor, most companies give that away for free.
Can't help it but for me something like 'iZenology Pro' would make sense.
It could also be used to deploy an AUv3 on iOS without being locked to ZenBeats and at the same time serve as an editor for MC-101/707 and other ZenCore devices.
I have no clue what Roland is cooking, I can only speculate...
Posted this on Elektronauts as well:
There's a problem when recording to the iPad: There's no way to disable its internal sound (and enable software monitoring in the DAW). That means that when recording just the MC-101, everything that is playing is recorded, including the DAW's metronome, the other tracks in the DAW, etc. I tested ZenBeats, GarageBand, BM3, AUM. Workaround is to solo the track, disable metronome, etc.
The 'D.USB Mixout' setting doesn't help - that just makes the outgoing MC audio independent from the Main Volume knob. (Enabling this setting causes massive feedback in AUM, but not the others).
It needs a setting like in the Elektrons, to disable internal audio.
How many MC-101 channels do you see in Zenbeats and AUM when you connect it to iPad? Do you only get the MC-101 two stereo channels or do you get more channels?
@GovernorSilver
Audio IN L+R, Audio IN L, Audio IN R.
Audio OUT L+R, Audio OUT L, Audio OUT R.
Ok, just stereo in and out then. Bummer but I'm not surprised.
I'll be watching for your updates on the DAW/monitoring issues.
My own sweet (mostly) Santa requires my List and I have nothing much more on it than MC 707: @RUST( i )K
@anyone is that what you'd tell her?
Damnit now I feel like replacing my elektron model samples for a mc 101.
The usb class compliant and sampling for it, the tone generator are huge features.
I have an MC-101 on order myself.
However, you might want to take a look at what Sequencer1 posted earlier about it. I ordered mine, being aware of the problem.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/855035/#Comment_855035
Thanks for the heads up. I don’t think it’s a dealbreaker
The model samples is fun, but the mc now integrates better in ios music making.
The big problem in using the Digitakt as an audio interface for the iPad is that you can’t access the physical inputs, which is an omission I can’t understand. That means only sound from Digitakt or iPad, no external gear, microphone, guitar, bass... Dealbraker. Can you use the MC as a “complete” interface?. Can you access inputs?.
I posted that comment so long ago I forgot about it.
I don't know about MC-707, as I lost interest in it fairly quickly. The MC-101 has no audio input, but I'm not buying it to use as an audio interface.
I didn't have any interest in the 101 either, until several veteran musos that I respect each got a hold of one and reported how well designed it is to just get work done.
Are you using with the iPad?.
I haven't gotten it yet. Black Friday sale at DJ Tech Tools.
Will probably buy a Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 to be my new audio interface for iPad, then just record MC-101 audio into AUM or something. Maybe later import samples of something I did on iPad into MC-101.
I've been thinking about getting an audio interface with more than 2 inputs for a while now, so the decision is more about that than the MC-101.
When sketching out a song on the MC-101, I would most likely just use it standalone, until I have enough of the song sketched out to start adding to it, using the iPad and other gear; what it can't do by itself.
Yeah this is a pity. On Digitone this works. Digitakt a is a bit "cripples down" when compared to Digitone in few features (like missing second filter, second LFO, chorus) - i still hope they will add at least some of those things which are presebt in Digitone OS also to Digitakt..
btw roland is now giving year access to full cloud for all owners of MC707/101 - eapecially for 101 ownets it's big deal because they can use Zenology Pro for editing own patches for 101
Generic driver mode (class compliant) only gives you stereo in and out. Much like digitakt and digitone. For multichannel audio you steel need to hook it up to a Mac or PC.
But still, great update. Also for interesting generative midi sequencing of the 707 synths amd drums.
MC-101 is a beast, add the LP Pro to it, Omg. I'm in love. TR-6S on the way. First piece of hardware. Having fun just jamming atm. Tinkering with recording it into Ableton. Probably grab an MPC One at some point. I've seen these all work really well together.