Visual Mixer by Mani Consulting Limited Company

gregsmith

Might be a dumb question, but does this control the AUM faders or add it’s own virtual ones? If it’s the former, I’m interested!

Fingolfinzzz

I was going to skip this until I saw Dougs video and saw how useful it actually is. Amazing app

Fingolfinzzz

@gregsmith said:
Might be a dumb question, but does this control the AUM faders or add it’s own virtual ones? If it’s the former, I’m interested!

It’s virtual but it works just the same. I can control the volume and panning with it and it records the output exactly how I had it set

ExAsperis99

Would like to see how the groups work. Would be nice to have all the audio outs from Patterning or SeekBeats panned and set to a group fader.

Will

@RajahP said:

@cuezaireekaa said:
What an amazing plug in. Love the grouping

Nice.. seems like the framework is here for ‘Snapshots’..

This would be the thing that sold me. It's a thing I miss from my old Pro Tools days; the ability to save mixer snapshots discreetly.

gregsmith

@JackDwyerburger said:

@gregsmith said:
Might be a dumb question, but does this control the AUM faders or add it’s own virtual ones? If it’s the former, I’m interested!

It’s virtual but it works just the same. I can control the volume and panning with it and it records the output exactly how I had it set

Thanks. I don’t like doubling up on functionality that’s already there but this does sound useful.

Edit: just watched Doug’s video. Does look cool! Couldn’t tell if it does proper metering. Can anyone see if it tells you if a channel is clipping and peak dB output?

NoiseHorse

I like the app, but I think the developer should pay a fee to 4Pockets for using “Visual”. I now associate that word with his apps!

mjcouche

I’m sold. This is helpful in live situations. You can do the muted groups which is awesome.

DCJ

This is great! I think it needs a way to cycle through channels when they’re all right on top of each other. A lot of things are going to end up center and it gets hard to select nodes to adjust. Also would love more control with groups as others have said.

Blue_Mangoo

@RockySmalls said:

@White said:

@RockySmalls said:

@White said:

@RockySmalls said:

@White said:
Bought it

These are the parameters exposed in AUM:

am i right in thinking you can ‘group’ sliders on this and control all with one finger?

You can group tracks, but it doesn't look like you can control all sliders in a group with one finger 🤔
At least I haven't figured out how to do it.

strange! i wonder what the track groups are for then?

According to the manual:

Assigning tracks to groups allows you to show or hide each group of control points to keep the UI uncluttered.

oh well! that’s that dream woken up from...

The groups can also be used to mute / unmute groups of tracks. There's a button in the settings menu labeled "mute hidden tracks". If you have that on, then the groups are more useful.

Blue_Mangoo

@audio_DT said:

@palms said:
hmmm, I wish there was more info in the description. For example, I see there are two pan types. what are they? Also confused about what the groups do. And the mixer faders don't look very compact, which sort of seems like it might miss the mark for me.. I use AUM and wish there was a way to collapse the faders to a narrow view to fit many more on one screen.

I'd love to see a video or something to get more of an idea what this does.

Me, too. It would be great if groups of tracks could be controlled by their own sliders. The potential of the app - or this sort of app - is tremendous, but there’s not enough information to buy it just yet. Keeping my eye on it, though.

We considered doing group volume control on tracks but thought it would work better to use the submix busses of the DAW for that so that Visual Mixer is used only to set the volume and for each mix bus. The point of this app is to transfer effort in mixing from the mixing stage to the setup stage; i.e. it takes longer to set up, but once you've done that, its faster to get the levels balanced the way you want because the interface is focused on just one task: balancing volume and pan. If we added features for doing submix-like things with the groups, we could get to the point where this is just a replication of features that already exist in the DAW, without actually being simpler to use.

Let us know if you have other ideas. We will listen and consider.

Blue_Mangoo

@RockySmalls said:
@Blue_Mangoo
this looks exceedingly useful... any chance it can be made available to ipads still on ios11 ( maybe with a caveat? not supported fully etc etc.. )

Sorry, no. We don't have any iPads left running iOS 11 and I am not brave enough to release an app for an OS that we can not test and debug.

Blue_Mangoo

@cuscolima said:
Brilliant idea. Should be integrated natively in AUM!!
Is there a possibility to pilote CC messages the same way ? I would like to be able to control everything from one place

How would the user interface for that look?

wim

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@palms said:
hmmm, I wish there was more info in the description. For example, I see there are two pan types. what are they? Also confused about what the groups do. And the mixer faders don't look very compact, which sort of seems like it might miss the mark for me.. I use AUM and wish there was a way to collapse the faders to a narrow view to fit many more on one screen.

I'd love to see a video or something to get more of an idea what this does.

Me, too. It would be great if groups of tracks could be controlled by their own sliders. The potential of the app - or this sort of app - is tremendous, but there’s not enough information to buy it just yet. Keeping my eye on it, though.

We considered doing group volume control on tracks but thought it would work better to use the submix busses of the DAW for that so that Visual Mixer is used only to set the volume and for each mix bus. The point of this app is to transfer effort in mixing from the mixing stage to the setup stage; i.e. it takes longer to set up, but once you've done that, its faster to get the levels balanced the way you want because the interface is focused on just one task: balancing volume and pan. If we added features for doing submix-like things with the groups, we could get to the point where this is just a replication of features that already exist in the DAW, without actually being simpler to use.

Let us know if you have other ideas. We will listen and consider.

I think people are already leapfrogging past your line of thinking re mixing for production over into the jamming/performance arena. Things like group fades would be very, very useful for this.

Blue_Mangoo

@audio_DT said:

@audio_DT said:
Just tried it and it works great - except playing anything through Poly 2 results in no panning at all. No doubt this can be addressed in an update. Nice little app, though, definitely. Would @Blue_Mangoo or James Milton have any ideas? Can’t remember James Milton’s handle but will look for it now...

Edit: @JSMilton ?

I'm not familiar with Poly 2. Are you going through Poly 2 before or after Visual Mixer. If Visual Mixer works the way we intend then there is no way it could not pan if Poly 2 comes before it. What happens after the audio leaves the plugin is out of our control though.

Blue_Mangoo

@wim said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@palms said:
hmmm, I wish there was more info in the description. For example, I see there are two pan types. what are they? Also confused about what the groups do. And the mixer faders don't look very compact, which sort of seems like it might miss the mark for me.. I use AUM and wish there was a way to collapse the faders to a narrow view to fit many more on one screen.

I'd love to see a video or something to get more of an idea what this does.

Me, too. It would be great if groups of tracks could be controlled by their own sliders. The potential of the app - or this sort of app - is tremendous, but there’s not enough information to buy it just yet. Keeping my eye on it, though.

We considered doing group volume control on tracks but thought it would work better to use the submix busses of the DAW for that so that Visual Mixer is used only to set the volume and for each mix bus. The point of this app is to transfer effort in mixing from the mixing stage to the setup stage; i.e. it takes longer to set up, but once you've done that, its faster to get the levels balanced the way you want because the interface is focused on just one task: balancing volume and pan. If we added features for doing submix-like things with the groups, we could get to the point where this is just a replication of features that already exist in the DAW, without actually being simpler to use.

Let us know if you have other ideas. We will listen and consider.

I think people are already leapfrogging past your line of thinking re mixing for production over into the jamming/performance arena. Things like group fades would be very, very useful for this.

I'm open to the idea, if I can understand it. Why would fading a group of separate tracks be better than sending the entire group to a submix bus? AUM can do that, can it not?

RockySmalls

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@wim said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@palms said:
hmmm, I wish there was more info in the description. For example, I see there are two pan types. what are they? Also confused about what the groups do. And the mixer faders don't look very compact, which sort of seems like it might miss the mark for me.. I use AUM and wish there was a way to collapse the faders to a narrow view to fit many more on one screen.

I'd love to see a video or something to get more of an idea what this does.

Me, too. It would be great if groups of tracks could be controlled by their own sliders. The potential of the app - or this sort of app - is tremendous, but there’s not enough information to buy it just yet. Keeping my eye on it, though.

We considered doing group volume control on tracks but thought it would work better to use the submix busses of the DAW for that so that Visual Mixer is used only to set the volume and for each mix bus. The point of this app is to transfer effort in mixing from the mixing stage to the setup stage; i.e. it takes longer to set up, but once you've done that, its faster to get the levels balanced the way you want because the interface is focused on just one task: balancing volume and pan. If we added features for doing submix-like things with the groups, we could get to the point where this is just a replication of features that already exist in the DAW, without actually being simpler to use.

Let us know if you have other ideas. We will listen and consider.

I think people are already leapfrogging past your line of thinking re mixing for production over into the jamming/performance arena. Things like group fades would be very, very useful for this.

I'm open to the idea, if I can understand it. Why would fading a group of separate tracks be better than sending the entire group to a submix bus? AUM can do that, can it not?

yes. but Cubasis can’t .. and i don’t think it’s easy in Apematrix .. possibly applies to several other ios daw things too.. those two are my ‘go to’s’ .. and it would be a big selling point for many i think.. thanks for the info on the group mutes.. thats certainly a big plus point..
as for ios 11.. there will be plenty here ( including me ) that have legacy machines that will stay at ios 11 for various reasons.. and would be more than willing to beta it ..

cuscolima

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@cuscolima said:
Brilliant idea. Should be integrated natively in AUM!!
Is there a possibility to pilote CC messages the same way ? I would like to be able to control everything from one place

How would the user interface for that look?

When the user is selecting a specific track he has then a button named "CC message" (maybe just after the "stereo width" button). Pressing on this button will open a list of activable cc messages (with standard parameters like channel, cc number, etc). Each option activated will result in a new "slider" in the central screen. There should be a hide/show button to clean a bit the screen...

Well, something like this...

It is already a beautiful app. Congrats!!

Blue_Mangoo

@RockySmalls said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@wim said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@palms said:
hmmm, I wish there was more info in the description. For example, I see there are two pan types. what are they? Also confused about what the groups do. And the mixer faders don't look very compact, which sort of seems like it might miss the mark for me.. I use AUM and wish there was a way to collapse the faders to a narrow view to fit many more on one screen.

I'd love to see a video or something to get more of an idea what this does.

Me, too. It would be great if groups of tracks could be controlled by their own sliders. The potential of the app - or this sort of app - is tremendous, but there’s not enough information to buy it just yet. Keeping my eye on it, though.

We considered doing group volume control on tracks but thought it would work better to use the submix busses of the DAW for that so that Visual Mixer is used only to set the volume and for each mix bus. The point of this app is to transfer effort in mixing from the mixing stage to the setup stage; i.e. it takes longer to set up, but once you've done that, its faster to get the levels balanced the way you want because the interface is focused on just one task: balancing volume and pan. If we added features for doing submix-like things with the groups, we could get to the point where this is just a replication of features that already exist in the DAW, without actually being simpler to use.

Let us know if you have other ideas. We will listen and consider.

I think people are already leapfrogging past your line of thinking re mixing for production over into the jamming/performance arena. Things like group fades would be very, very useful for this.

I'm open to the idea, if I can understand it. Why would fading a group of separate tracks be better than sending the entire group to a submix bus? AUM can do that, can it not?

yes. but Cubasis can’t .. and i don’t think it’s easy in Apematrix .. possibly applies to several other ios daw things too.. those two are my ‘go to’s’ .. and it would be a big selling point for many i think.. thanks for the info on the group mutes.. thats certainly a big plus point..
as for ios 11.. there will be plenty here ( including me ) that have legacy machines that will stay at ios 11 for various reasons.. and would be more than willing to beta it ..

Oh... I did not realise that cubasis doesn't have grouping ability. That changes things.

The idea of a group volume seems pretty easy to implement. Do you need pan too? If we add group control, should it follow the same interface we are using for track control?

Thanks for the offer regarding iOS 11. If we run the app on iOS 11 and it has bugs, we would need to connect our debugging tools up to the iPad in order to see what's going wrong. We really need to support only the OS we actually have in our office. sorry

Blue_Mangoo

@cuscolima said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@cuscolima said:
Brilliant idea. Should be integrated natively in AUM!!
Is there a possibility to pilote CC messages the same way ? I would like to be able to control everything from one place

How would the user interface for that look?

When the user is selecting a specific track he has then a button named "CC message" (maybe just after the "stereo width" button). Pressing on this button will open a list of activable cc messages (with standard parameters like channel, cc number, etc). Each option activated will result in a new "slider" in the central screen. There should be a hide/show button to clean a bit the screen...

Well, something like this...

It is already a beautiful app. Congrats!!

Hm... I think I see what you are saying there. I am still trying to wrap my head around the question of which situations where it would be helpful to have that. I'm not disagreeing... just feeling confused. My musical experience is as a singer and a guitar player; I'm a little slow to catch on to what's happening in the more technological styles of music.

Blue_Mangoo

@ExAsperis99 said:
Would like to see how the groups work. Would be nice to have all the audio outs from Patterning or SeekBeats panned and set to a group fader.

If I can wrap my head around this idea, I will certainly consider it. I'm still a little foggy in my understanding of what you want though. I'm not familiar with Patterning and SeekBeats.

cuscolima

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@cuscolima said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@cuscolima said:
Brilliant idea. Should be integrated natively in AUM!!
Is there a possibility to pilote CC messages the same way ? I would like to be able to control everything from one place

How would the user interface for that look?

When the user is selecting a specific track he has then a button named "CC message" (maybe just after the "stereo width" button). Pressing on this button will open a list of activable cc messages (with standard parameters like channel, cc number, etc). Each option activated will result in a new "slider" in the central screen. There should be a hide/show button to clean a bit the screen...

Well, something like this...

It is already a beautiful app. Congrats!!

Hm... I think I see what you are saying there. I am still trying to wrap my head around the question of which situations where it would be helpful to have that. I'm not disagreeing... just feeling confused. My musical experience is as a singer and a guitar player; I'm a little slow to catch on to what's happening in the more technological styles of music.

One simple use case: I have two tracks in AUM. On track 1 I have a drum app, an instance of fabfilter q3, and one instance of Visual mixer. On track 2, I have a bass app, an instance of fabfilter q3 and an instance of Visual mixer. I want now to be able, from Visusl mixer, to control the pan and the volume of my bass and drums but I also would like to control each of the two fabfilters to find the best sweet spot that makes my mix sound the best...

Hope it is less confused...

thinds

Looks to be very similar to iZotope’s Visual Mixer

Blue_Mangoo

@thinds said:
Looks to be very similar to iZotope’s Visual Mixer

I wish we had seen this before we did ours. Could have borrowed ideas from it. Thanks for posting.

... And what??? they even copied the name of our app!!! It's ok we won't sue them because they did think of it before we did.

thinds

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@thinds said:
Looks to be very similar to iZotope’s Visual Mixer

I wish we had seen this before we did ours. Could have borrowed ideas from it. Thanks for posting.

They were giving it away a few weeks ago if you demo’d Ozone.

RockySmalls

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Would like to see how the groups work. Would be nice to have all the audio outs from Patterning or SeekBeats panned and set to a group fader.

If I can wrap my head around this idea, I will certainly consider it. I'm still a little foggy in my understanding of what you want though. I'm not familiar with Patterning and SeekBeats.

i think this just comes under the ‘group faders’ remit... if you implement that, the rest of what ExAsperis99 is asking comes from whatever daw ( or environ ) he is using recognising the ‘iaa multi outs’ of patterning as seperate channels.. and him routing them through Visual Mixer, panning & grouping them.. nothing complex to ‘get yr head round’ imho
glad you are considering the group thing.. when ipadIOS is more trouble free i may take the main machine up to the cutting edge for a change, Apps like this and external drives etc will be the incentive..

RockySmalls

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@thinds said:
Looks to be very similar to iZotope’s Visual Mixer

I wish we had seen this before we did ours. Could have borrowed ideas from it. Thanks for posting.

... And what??? they even copied the name of our app!!! It's ok we won't sue them because they did think of it before we did.

Drumjam has done this for half a decade now .. i’m not sure anyone can be sued for copying the concept of “ sound sources in a room as seen from above “. maybe the early b.c. phoenician architects could get their mummified lawyers on the case! ;-)
The Oulipo coined the concept of “anticipatory plagiarists” to cover these cases..
Better call ‘Time Travelling’ Saul...

Jumpercollins

Sticking a LFO on the pan parameters is a pretty neat trick to get some spacial effects going.

audio_DT

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@audio_DT said:
Just tried it and it works great - except playing anything through Poly 2 results in no panning at all. No doubt this can be addressed in an update. Nice little app, though, definitely. Would @Blue_Mangoo or James Milton have any ideas? Can’t remember James Milton’s handle but will look for it now...

Edit: @JSMilton ?

I'm not familiar with Poly 2. Are you going through Poly 2 before or after Visual Mixer. If Visual Mixer works the way we intend then there is no way it could not pan if Poly 2 comes before it. What happens after the audio leaves the plugin is out of our control though.

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@audio_DT said:
Just tried it and it works great - except playing anything through Poly 2 results in no panning at all. No doubt this can be addressed in an update. Nice little app, though, definitely. Would @Blue_Mangoo or James Milton have any ideas? Can’t remember James Milton’s handle but will look for it now...

Edit: @JSMilton ?

I'm not familiar with Poly 2. Are you going through Poly 2 before or after Visual Mixer. If Visual Mixer works the way we intend then there is no way it could not pan if Poly 2 comes before it. What happens after the audio leaves the plugin is out of our control though.

Hi there, and many thanks for your reply. Poly 2 is a midi effect unit - you send midi from it to apps. Your mixer works beautifully in normal circumstances but doesn’t pan when audio units are receiving midi from poly 2. Cheers.

Blue_Mangoo

@audio_DT said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@audio_DT said:
Just tried it and it works great - except playing anything through Poly 2 results in no panning at all. No doubt this can be addressed in an update. Nice little app, though, definitely. Would @Blue_Mangoo or James Milton have any ideas? Can’t remember James Milton’s handle but will look for it now...

Edit: @JSMilton ?

I'm not familiar with Poly 2. Are you going through Poly 2 before or after Visual Mixer. If Visual Mixer works the way we intend then there is no way it could not pan if Poly 2 comes before it. What happens after the audio leaves the plugin is out of our control though.

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@audio_DT said:

@audio_DT said:
Just tried it and it works great - except playing anything through Poly 2 results in no panning at all. No doubt this can be addressed in an update. Nice little app, though, definitely. Would @Blue_Mangoo or James Milton have any ideas? Can’t remember James Milton’s handle but will look for it now...

Edit: @JSMilton ?

I'm not familiar with Poly 2. Are you going through Poly 2 before or after Visual Mixer. If Visual Mixer works the way we intend then there is no way it could not pan if Poly 2 comes before it. What happens after the audio leaves the plugin is out of our control though.

Hi there, and many thanks for your reply. Poly 2 is a midi effect unit - you send midi from it to apps. Your mixer works beautifully in normal circumstances but doesn’t pan when audio units are receiving midi from poly 2. Cheers.

Ok we will check on it. Are you using poly 2 in AUM?