Visual Mixer by Mani Consulting Limited Company

Wrecked

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

Yep.

@Gasman50 said:
Nice in Garageband to overcome having no dedicated mixer 😊

Does it? iOS 13 or any below? I could do with it in GarageBand, not sure how it works though, not bought it as thought it was a AUM thang

McD

@Wrecked said:
not sure how it works though, not bought it as thought it was a AUM thang

TL;DR (someone will and correct my assumptions)

You add this AU Effect to every channel and opening one allows you to do panning and volume for all those channels from one AU screen. The X axis is volume and Y axis is the right/left panning. Then there are extra features for creating groups on the left.

The AU instance communicate with each other to control gain/volume and panning of the
channels flowing through the app. It's a clever idea and one that shows promise for a lot of
AU implementations. One of the side-chaining apps did something along these lines but routing an audio signal in as the transient/envelope signal.

AUv3 apps share some common data space so they can coordinate using shared data storage for variables like this.

Fingolfinzzz

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has meters in it that show where the volume is. It’s not super detailed but you would be able to know if it’s clipping. I still check my channels on aum though for the red

Korakios

I would instantly buy it if it had a convincing pseudo surround algorithm.

gregsmith

@JackDwyerburger said:

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has meters in it that show where the volume is. It’s not super detailed but you would be able to know if it’s clipping. I still check my channels on aum though for the red

Thanks. I’ll give it a go.

@Blue_Mangoo some sort of peak indicator colour would be cool

audiblevideo

@Korakios said:
I would instantly buy it if it had a convincing pseudo surround algorithm.

Check out their other app Binaural Location and see if it meets your needs

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/binaural-location/id1467869713

Fingolfinzzz

@gregsmith said:

@JackDwyerburger said:

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has meters in it that show where the volume is. It’s not super detailed but you would be able to know if it’s clipping. I still check my channels on aum though for the red

Thanks. I’ll give it a go.

@Blue_Mangoo some sort of peak indicator colour would be cool

+1 for some color on the peaks. I mainly need to check my aum channels since I usually have them set at -6 and I want to make sure I’m not clipping before recording but the app seems to really take control of the volume and panning once you have it going

gregsmith

Just had my first mixing session with this and it’s pretty great!

One thing that would be good is a toggle to a traditional mixer view with all the faders next to each other.
Daft as this sounds, because this is replacing all the faders in the daw, there’s no way to see them all not overlapping each other. Things get pretty busy.

cuscolima

+1 for a click free mute/unmute (and solo/unsolo) button.

DCJ

@gregsmith said:
Just had my first mixing session with this and it’s pretty great!

One thing that would be good is a toggle to a traditional mixer view with all the faders next to each other.
Daft as this sounds, because this is replacing all the faders in the daw, there’s no way to see them all not overlapping each other. Things get pretty busy.

+1 I’ve mentioned this as well. Gets tough when the nodes are overlapping.

McD

I just got the @Blue_Mangoo "Velocity Filter" for free since I already had the other 6 apps in the Audio Unit Effects Collection #1. Initially, it showed the full $24.99 price but Opening the apps I already owned on the App Store page for the bundle made it re-calculate my adjusted price to "GET" for that final app. I suspect some of you will get 2 free-bees or get a handful of additional apps at a great price. Check it out.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/audio-unit-effects-collection-1/id1475340381

Now I just need this Visual Mixer app (and the Saturator that's coming).

Blue_Mangoo

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has a peak metre (dot) and RMS power metre (line). It doesn't highlight clipping by turning red or anything like that; you just have to watch the level and see if it goes above 0 dB.

We didn't want to highlight clipping the way DAW mixers typically do because I don't feel that a 0dB clipping warning on individual tracks is helpful. If I am mixing ten tracks together then I need individual tracks to stay well below that 0 dB mark to avoid clipping, but there's no way to calculate where the exact volume of a single track needs to be to prevent clipping at the output of the full mix. Obviously there is a target volume level for each track but whether or not the clipping is actually going to cause a problem depends on what happens when you mix all the tracks together, and Visual Mixer can't monitor the level of the final mix. In order to monitor the level for the full mix, you would actually have to do the mix operation. We decided not to make this plugin do that because it would require sending the audio for each track to every other track, which would really slow down the performance of the DAW. So basically we intended for visual mixer to be used to balance the levels between tracks but once the balance is right you still need to rely on the clipping metre of the DAW to do the mastering type of tasks where you adjust the settings for the limiter on the output.

By the way, we are currently working on making Visual Mixer support pan and gain adjustments on groups of tracks, as a substitute for the lack of submit functionality in Cubasis.

gregsmith

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has a peak metre (dot) and RMS power metre (line). It doesn't highlight clipping by turning red or anything like that; you just have to watch the level and see if it goes above 0 dB.

We didn't want to highlight clipping the way DAW mixers typically do because I don't feel that a 0dB clipping warning on individual tracks is helpful. If I am mixing ten tracks together then I need individual tracks to stay well below that 0 dB mark to avoid clipping, but there's no way to calculate where the exact volume of a single track needs to be to prevent clipping at the output of the full mix. Obviously there is a target volume level for each track but whether or not the clipping is actually going to cause a problem depends on what happens when you mix all the tracks together, and Visual Mixer can't monitor the level of the final mix. In order to monitor the level for the full mix, you would actually have to do the mix operation. We decided not to make this plugin do that because it would require sending the audio for each track to every other track, which would really slow down the performance of the DAW. So basically we intended for visual mixer to be used to balance the levels between tracks but once the balance is right you still need to rely on the clipping metre of the DAW to do the mastering type of tasks where you adjust the settings for the limiter on the output.

By the way, we are currently working on making Visual Mixer support pan and gain adjustments on groups of tracks, as a substitute for the lack of submit functionality in Cubasis.

Thanks @Blue_Mangoo for the explanation. You’re completely right. I did a proper mixing session over the weekend on the app and it took no time at all to get used to where 0db was etc.

It all worked really well. I did a lot of it on my phone which was obviously a bit cramped, but once I got groups sorted, it wasn’t a problem anymore as I could hide and show stuff.

An undo button would be really useful but I gather it might be quite difficult to add.

Blue_Mangoo

@gregsmith said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has a peak metre (dot) and RMS power metre (line). It doesn't highlight clipping by turning red or anything like that; you just have to watch the level and see if it goes above 0 dB.

We didn't want to highlight clipping the way DAW mixers typically do because I don't feel that a 0dB clipping warning on individual tracks is helpful. If I am mixing ten tracks together then I need individual tracks to stay well below that 0 dB mark to avoid clipping, but there's no way to calculate where the exact volume of a single track needs to be to prevent clipping at the output of the full mix. Obviously there is a target volume level for each track but whether or not the clipping is actually going to cause a problem depends on what happens when you mix all the tracks together, and Visual Mixer can't monitor the level of the final mix. In order to monitor the level for the full mix, you would actually have to do the mix operation. We decided not to make this plugin do that because it would require sending the audio for each track to every other track, which would really slow down the performance of the DAW. So basically we intended for visual mixer to be used to balance the levels between tracks but once the balance is right you still need to rely on the clipping metre of the DAW to do the mastering type of tasks where you adjust the settings for the limiter on the output.

By the way, we are currently working on making Visual Mixer support pan and gain adjustments on groups of tracks, as a substitute for the lack of submit functionality in Cubasis.

Thanks @Blue_Mangoo for the explanation. You’re completely right. I did a proper mixing session over the weekend on the app and it took no time at all to get used to where 0db was etc.

It all worked really well. I did a lot of it on my phone which was obviously a bit cramped, but once I got groups sorted, it wasn’t a problem anymore as I could hide and show stuff.

An undo button would be really useful but I gather it might be quite difficult to add.

We are talking about adding snapshots so you can save several different settings and compare between them. That isn’t an undo button but at least it would give you a restore point.

gregsmith

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@gregsmith said:

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@gregsmith said:
@Blue_Mangoo I’m thinking about buying this, but was wondering what it does in terms of metering. I’m struggling to see how I know if a channel is clipping?

Thanks

It has a peak metre (dot) and RMS power metre (line). It doesn't highlight clipping by turning red or anything like that; you just have to watch the level and see if it goes above 0 dB.

We didn't want to highlight clipping the way DAW mixers typically do because I don't feel that a 0dB clipping warning on individual tracks is helpful. If I am mixing ten tracks together then I need individual tracks to stay well below that 0 dB mark to avoid clipping, but there's no way to calculate where the exact volume of a single track needs to be to prevent clipping at the output of the full mix. Obviously there is a target volume level for each track but whether or not the clipping is actually going to cause a problem depends on what happens when you mix all the tracks together, and Visual Mixer can't monitor the level of the final mix. In order to monitor the level for the full mix, you would actually have to do the mix operation. We decided not to make this plugin do that because it would require sending the audio for each track to every other track, which would really slow down the performance of the DAW. So basically we intended for visual mixer to be used to balance the levels between tracks but once the balance is right you still need to rely on the clipping metre of the DAW to do the mastering type of tasks where you adjust the settings for the limiter on the output.

By the way, we are currently working on making Visual Mixer support pan and gain adjustments on groups of tracks, as a substitute for the lack of submit functionality in Cubasis.

Thanks @Blue_Mangoo for the explanation. You’re completely right. I did a proper mixing session over the weekend on the app and it took no time at all to get used to where 0db was etc.

It all worked really well. I did a lot of it on my phone which was obviously a bit cramped, but once I got groups sorted, it wasn’t a problem anymore as I could hide and show stuff.

An undo button would be really useful but I gather it might be quite difficult to add.

We are talking about adding snapshots so you can save several different settings and compare between them. That isn’t an undo button but at least it would give you a restore point.

Sounds good! A/B functionality with this would be great.

A toggle option to put all the faders next to each other like a normal mixer temporarily would still be good. Would take away the ‘visual’ aspect of it but would make it easier to move just up and down without effecting pan, and make smaller adjustments without accidentally moving another track.

audiblevideo

@Blue_Mangoo said:

An undo button would be really useful but I gather it might be quite difficult to add.

We are talking about adding snapshots so you can save several different settings and compare between them. That isn’t an undo button but at least it would give you a restore point.

NICE.

Toastedghost

In settings I cannot see mute hidden groups. I can see volume metre, pan and stero/mono settings but no mute hidden groups..... der.... what am I doing wrong?
Cheers guys

Blue_Mangoo

@Toastedghost said:
In settings I cannot see mute hidden groups. I can see volume metre, pan and stero/mono settings but no mute hidden groups..... der.... what am I doing wrong?
Cheers guys

We removed that button because the latest version allows use of the mute and solo buttons on groups, but it only displays groups control points when the group is hidden.

In other words, groups no longer have a “hidden” status anymore; they either display the all the tracks inside the group or they hide the individual tracks and display a single control point for setting volume and pan of the whole group instead.

Blue_Mangoo

@McD said:

@Wrecked said:
not sure how it works though, not bought it as thought it was a AUM thang

TL;DR (someone will and correct my assumptions)

You add this AU Effect to every channel and opening one allows you to do panning and volume for all those channels from one AU screen. The X axis is volume and Y axis is the right/left panning. Then there are extra features for creating groups on the left.

The AU instance communicate with each other to control gain/volume and panning of the
channels flowing through the app. It's a clever idea and one that shows promise for a lot of
AU implementations. One of the side-chaining apps did something along these lines but routing an audio signal in as the transient/envelope signal.

AUv3 apps share some common data space so they can coordinate using shared data storage for variables like this.

Thats right

Toastedghost

@Blue_Mangoo said:

@McD said:

@Wrecked said:
not sure how it works though, not bought it as thought it was a AUM thang

TL;DR (someone will and correct my assumptions)

You add this AU Effect to every channel and opening one allows you to do panning and volume for all those channels from one AU screen. The X axis is volume and Y axis is the right/left panning. Then there are extra features for creating groups on the left.

The AU instance communicate with each other to control gain/volume and panning of the
channels flowing through the app. It's a clever idea and one that shows promise for a lot of
AU implementations. One of the side-chaining apps did something along these lines but routing an audio signal in as the transient/envelope signal.

AUv3 apps share some common data space so they can coordinate using shared data storage for variables like this.

Thats right

Thanks Hans just emailed me

Quick replies guys

annahahn

@Blue_Mangoo can pan + volume controls be controlled via midi cc?

auxmux

@Blue_Mangoo Enhancement idea for Visual Mixer or a separate app.

I was looking at Eurorack modules recently and discovered Worng Soundstage.

https://www.ctrl-mod.com/collections/recent-arrivals/products/sound-stage

Visual Mixer does part of Soundstage already which is placing incoming audio signals in stereo field, but Soundstage has a interesting difference. It filters out Low, Mid, and Highs depending on where they are placed vertically.

Place inputs lower and mid/highs are cut. Place inputs higher, lows are cut. Etc. This would be amazing in Visual Mixer.

More on Soundstage in this divkid video:

tpj

Would be nice if this app would have midi cc output. For example a xy pad that sends specific midi cc/channel based on current selected channel.

RockBottom

interesting, but why resurrect a 9-month old thread instead of creating a new one with a more relevant subject ?