Auditor - Audio Editor by Living Memory Software

wim

@CracklePot said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@Paa89 said:
Still no proper video for this APP?

A video for an audio editor? Why?

It's got a manual that covers everything. You know those things that tell you how to do things but don't have moving pictures? Ask your parents - they'll remember what those are.

Manuals are great for when you own the software and want to understand it better but they may not describe gotchas that tend to be glossed over. iOS is full of uncooked stuff. There can be seemingly small gotchas that are actually huge gotchas for some people. For example there is another audio editor I got that when applying cross-fades it does them in a destructive manner and slices the cross-fade zones into separate clips so you can't edit them after the fact without essentially deleting a bunch of clips and redoing the cross-fade. A very clunky unwieldy gotcha that is not described in the manual.

Videos do have their place when wondering if something is a worthwhile purchase.

Videos are really great if you don’t read the language of the published Manual, too.

Oh yeh, because it's so much easier to understand some guy talking than to translate at your own pace, or to dump some text into google translator. OK.

Whatever.

ExAsperis99

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@Paa89 said:
Still no proper video for this APP?

A video for an audio editor? Why?

It's got a manual that covers everything. You know those things that tell you how to do things but don't have moving pictures? Ask your parents - they'll remember what those are.

Manuals are great for when you own the software and want to understand it better but they may not describe gotchas that tend to be glossed over. iOS is full of uncooked stuff. There can be seemingly small gotchas that are actually huge gotchas for some people. For example there is another audio editor I got that when applying cross-fades it does them in a destructive manner and slices the cross-fade zones into separate clips so you can't edit them after the fact without essentially deleting a bunch of clips and redoing the cross-fade. A very clunky unwieldy gotcha that is not described in the manual.

Videos do have their place when wondering if something is a worthwhile purchase.

And you think a video would have covered that quirk / ill advised feature? Ummm...K.

Kids these days.

OK — you asked for it! — Boomer!

CracklePot

@wim said:

@CracklePot said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@Paa89 said:
Still no proper video for this APP?

A video for an audio editor? Why?

It's got a manual that covers everything. You know those things that tell you how to do things but don't have moving pictures? Ask your parents - they'll remember what those are.

Manuals are great for when you own the software and want to understand it better but they may not describe gotchas that tend to be glossed over. iOS is full of uncooked stuff. There can be seemingly small gotchas that are actually huge gotchas for some people. For example there is another audio editor I got that when applying cross-fades it does them in a destructive manner and slices the cross-fade zones into separate clips so you can't edit them after the fact without essentially deleting a bunch of clips and redoing the cross-fade. A very clunky unwieldy gotcha that is not described in the manual.

Videos do have their place when wondering if something is a worthwhile purchase.

Videos are really great if you don’t read the language of the published Manual, too.

Oh yeh, because it's so much easier to understand some guy talking than to translate at your own pace, or to dump some text into google translator. OK.

Whatever.

I don’t know about that.
I just watch what is happening, which I cannot do with pictures.
That usually is good enough for me.

But hey, I like manuals, too.
🤙🏻

wim

@ExAsperis99 said:
OK — you asked for it! — Boomer!

Hipster!

wim

@CracklePot said:
I don’t know about that.
I just watch what is happening, which I cannot do with pictures.
That usually is good enough for me.

But hey, I like manuals, too.
🤙🏻

Yeh, I'm just trying to imagine what a effective video for something like this would look like. I get it for synths and stuff. Just doesn't seem like it would be that helpful for something like this.

(My original question was sincere BTW. I really did wonder how a video could be helpful for this particular kind of app.)

OK, enough of the thread hijack. You kids carry on...

LivingMemorySoftware

Auditor v1.01 has just gone live on the AppStore.

v1.0.1
Fixing all known initial teething issues…

• Fixed: an issue on iOS 11 where files are greyed out in the browser!
• Fixed: A situation where exporting to MP3 could crash Auditor.
• Fixed: Incorrect sample rate could be used when exporting to MP3
• fixed: “Play-From” transport action incorrectly ignored the “From” marker when loop enabled.
• Fixed: Potential crash initialising the Make_Unique action.
• Fixed: Potential crash while rendering Rulers markers.
• Fixed: If loop was enabled, audio exported from a project session incorrectly wrote looped audio with the length the session.
• Added support for WAV sampler chunks: loop start and end points are now saved into and loaded from WAV files.
• Added 192 kHz to export and project sample rates
• Added more warnings when identifying low memory situations arising from using extremely long files and/or extremely high sample rat

AudioGus

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@Paa89 said:
Still no proper video for this APP?

A video for an audio editor? Why?

It's got a manual that covers everything. You know those things that tell you how to do things but don't have moving pictures? Ask your parents - they'll remember what those are.

Manuals are great for when you own the software and want to understand it better but they may not describe gotchas that tend to be glossed over. iOS is full of uncooked stuff. There can be seemingly small gotchas that are actually huge gotchas for some people. For example there is another audio editor I got that when applying cross-fades it does them in a destructive manner and slices the cross-fade zones into separate clips so you can't edit them after the fact without essentially deleting a bunch of clips and redoing the cross-fade. A very clunky unwieldy gotcha that is not described in the manual.

Videos do have their place when wondering if something is a worthwhile purchase.

And you think a video would have covered that quirk / ill advised feature? Ummm...K.

It 100% would have if I (or someone with my similar interests) made it.

CracklePot

@wim said:

@CracklePot said:
I don’t know about that.
I just watch what is happening, which I cannot do with pictures.
That usually is good enough for me.

But hey, I like manuals, too.
🤙🏻

Yeh, I'm just trying to imagine what a effective video for something like this would look like. I get it for synths and stuff. Just doesn't seem like it would be that helpful for something like this.

(My original question was sincere BTW. I really did wonder how a video could be helpful for this particular kind of app.)

OK, enough of the thread hijack. You kids carry on...

I do agree that a video for this is probably not going to help much more than the manual.
Especially since the manual for this app is one of the best, and covers everything well.

The manual answers most of the questions posted in this thread.
Either people didn’t read it, or didn’t understand it for whatever reason.
Good thing we have this Forum to fall back on.
😊

AudioGus

@CracklePot said:

@wim said:

@CracklePot said:
I don’t know about that.
I just watch what is happening, which I cannot do with pictures.
That usually is good enough for me.

But hey, I like manuals, too.
🤙🏻

Yeh, I'm just trying to imagine what a effective video for something like this would look like. I get it for synths and stuff. Just doesn't seem like it would be that helpful for something like this.

(My original question was sincere BTW. I really did wonder how a video could be helpful for this particular kind of app.)

OK, enough of the thread hijack. You kids carry on...

I do agree that a video for this is probably not going to help much more than the manual.
Especially since the manual for this app is one of the best, and covers everything well.

The manual answers most of the questions posted in this thread.
Either people didn’t read it, or didn’t understand it for whatever reason.
Good thing we have this Forum to fall back on.
😊

If a friend of mine lived in Spain and I had questions about the culture that could be answered by reading a book it would still be nice to ask them about it instead of them saying 'read a book junior'.

CracklePot

@AudioGus said:

@CracklePot said:

@wim said:

@CracklePot said:
I don’t know about that.
I just watch what is happening, which I cannot do with pictures.
That usually is good enough for me.

But hey, I like manuals, too.
🤙🏻

Yeh, I'm just trying to imagine what a effective video for something like this would look like. I get it for synths and stuff. Just doesn't seem like it would be that helpful for something like this.

(My original question was sincere BTW. I really did wonder how a video could be helpful for this particular kind of app.)

OK, enough of the thread hijack. You kids carry on...

I do agree that a video for this is probably not going to help much more than the manual.
Especially since the manual for this app is one of the best, and covers everything well.

The manual answers most of the questions posted in this thread.
Either people didn’t read it, or didn’t understand it for whatever reason.
Good thing we have this Forum to fall back on.
😊

If a friend of mine lived in Spain and I had questions about the culture that could be answered by reading a book it would still be nice to ask them about it instead of them saying 'read a book junior'.

That is all good and well for you...
But what if you have no friends?
😢

🥰

espiegel123

To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

AudioGus

@espiegel123 said:
To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

Henceforce/fortwidth etc: Any reference I make to 'a video' does not imply developer created. A rambling 'Hey guys, just thought I'd etc...' YT video with lots of stammers and uhhhs by some half asleep user who eventually covers the bases is often just fine by me. I'll even subscribe and hit like but sorry no patreon or kickstarter money from me. Do it for the loves, points, whatever kids do it for these days.

CracklePot

@espiegel123 said:
To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

@thesoundtestroom
Seems we could use your help, as usual.
Did you get this one, yet?

AudioGus

@CracklePot said:

@espiegel123 said:
To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

I don't want to read the thread, can someone do a summation of "features that he has mentioned are coming". Preferably in video format with a backstory of a hipster making beats on a train and in a warehouse or just here as text. I will write something nice on your wall. plz thx

espiegel123

@AudioGus said:

@CracklePot said:

@espiegel123 said:
To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

I don't want to read the thread, can someone do a summation of "features that he has mentioned are coming". Preferably in video format with a backstory of a hipster making beats on a train and in a warehouse or just here as text. I will write something nice on your wall. plz thx

Take a look at the app store description. It lays out a number of planned features -- mostly related to slicing and dicing.

kinkujin

I hate reading. In fact I don't even know what I'm writing right now. Waiting for the video to explain what I've written.

(this is a light hearted humor attempt. C'mon ole pals, it's Friday)

CracklePot

@kinkujin said:
I hate reading. In fact I don't even know what I'm writing right now. Waiting for the video to explain what I've written.

(this is a light hearted humor attempt. C'mon ole pals, it's Friday)

I don’t even want to read your reply.
I would much prefer a video of me reading your reply.
😂

ExAsperis99

A video tutorial is not necessary for a new app. But if you want to sell more copies, a video tutorial is certainly helpful.

kinkujin

@CracklePot said:

@kinkujin said:
I hate reading. In fact I don't even know what I'm writing right now. Waiting for the video to explain what I've written.

(this is a light hearted humor attempt. C'mon ole pals, it's Friday)

I don’t even want to read your reply.
I would much prefer a video of me reading your reply.
😂

Jumpercollins

Deleted.

skiphunt

I don't think it needs and official video... but I wouldn't mind watching some yahoo putz around in it for a couple minutes. I learn more visually and to see someone else choppin' stuff up it'd be easier to visualize myself doing the same.

That being said, I personally already have a pretty good idea... don't really need a video... and am just on the fence because I'm not certain I'll use it. I really like the interface design and it looks like it'd be fun to mess around in... so depending on if I overindulge this evening I'll likely end up grabbin' it.

AudioGus

@espiegel123 said:

@AudioGus said:

@CracklePot said:

@espiegel123 said:
To those wishing for a video, I don't think anyone begrudges you wishing that there were a video. But, please don't act as if a developer (particularly one that takes the time to provide a nice concise manual) is delinquent or unresponsive if they don't provide videos. Putting together a good video is not easy and even a simple video can take quite a while to do well. A developer, just like you in whatever job you have, needs to balance what is essential to do, what it would be nice to do, and the time available. They also need to consider how the time spent contributes to their bottom line.

For a pretty straightforward app like Auditor (particularly since it is going to be changing significantly over the next few months as Andy implements the features that he has mentioned are coming), it is likely that his time is more effectively spent working on the software than working on videos (they will slow the pace of progress, become outdated as it grows AND probably would only marginally impact sales).

I don't want to read the thread, can someone do a summation of "features that he has mentioned are coming". Preferably in video format with a backstory of a hipster making beats on a train and in a warehouse or just here as text. I will write something nice on your wall. plz thx

Take a look at the app store description. It lays out a number of planned features -- mostly related to slicing and dicing.

Yah I did see that...

Overall I am getting the sense that this could be useful for pruni> @skiphunt said:

I don't think it needs and official video... but I wouldn't mind watching some yahoo putz around in it for a couple minutes. I learn more visually and to see someone else choppin' stuff up it'd be easier to visualize myself doing the same.

That being said, I personally already have a pretty good idea... don't really need a video... and am just on the fence because I'm not certain I'll use it. I really like the interface design and it looks like it'd be fun to mess around in... so depending on if I overindulge this evening I'll likely end up grabbin' it.

I would be super interested in it if it were to get...

-AUfx (that can be re-ordered unlike Auria Pro and Cubasis)
-AUfx automation
-AUX tracks
-mixer automation
-pan, EQ per clip
-clip send to AUX
-in addition to timestretch and pitchsift if there were simple linear interpolation (speed change)
-a couple small display things (summed stereo and half height)

...but then it gets more into DAW territory of course. But no need for midi or instruments in my use case.

wim

@AudioGus said:
I would be super interested in it if it were to get...

-AUfx (that can be re-ordered unlike Auria Pro and Cubasis)
-AUfx automation
-AUX tracks
-mixer automation
-pan, EQ per clip
-clip send to AUX
-in addition to timestretch and pitchsift if there were simple linear interpolation (speed change)
-a couple small display things (summed stereo and half height)

...but then it gets more into DAW territory of course. But no need for midi or instruments in my use case.

Now, then it would need a video.

espiegel123

@AudioGus : if I read what Andy posted above, Auditor is not intended to head in a DAW-like or DAW-lite direction. It is a intended to be file editor/compositor. My guess would be that to the extent that it might host effects (if it goes in that direction at all), it would be so that you could print an effect to a selection as you can in something like Twisted Wave. I think he wants to keep it lean but powerful.

There are DAWs for that other stuff.

AudioGus

@espiegel123 said:
@AudioGus : if I read what Andy posted above, Auditor is not intended to head in a DAW-like or DAW-lite direction. It is a intended to be file editor/compositor. My guess would be that to the extent that it might host effects (if it goes in that direction at all), it would be so that you could print an effect to a selection as you can in something like Twisted Wave. I think he wants to keep it lean but powerful.

Yup like I said "...but then it gets more into DAW territory of course. "

There are DAWs for that other stuff.

Not on iOS. But yah I am getting back more into Samplitude on desktop. One day iOS will have a contender.

audiblevideo

If you want, @AudioGus

AUfx (that can be re-ordered unlike Auria Pro and Cubasis) ...

You can always do something similar

AudioGus

@audiblevideo said:
If you want, @AudioGus

AUfx (that can be re-ordered unlike Auria Pro and Cubasis) ...

You can always do something similar

I am curious about that multitrack AU in BM3... mmmm mmmaybe...

If we are talking about solutions that do not involve displaying waveforms on a timeline then BM3 pretty much hits every nail on the head for me using banks and pads (and then some). So all good on the ‘make do for now’ front.

Carnbot

I recommend MultitrackStudio if you're after a lightweight editor but has DAW powers

Toastedghost

@Carnbot said:
I recommend MultitrackStudio if you're after a lightweight editor but has DAW powers

And it is a no nonsense easy to use editor. Would be extra great if you could add a little reverb or other effects, though not wanting it to act like Daw.

All samples below made with Auditor and Brusfri.

anomieholiday

Hokusai is (obviously) the best multitracker and sort of feels more "modern" than twistedwave, which feels a lot like old school sound forge and is mega powerful.

In general though, I use a wave editor to stitch a mixtape of remixes togheter. Although it only has that crossfade loop, you can use the layers (photoshop style) to move things around until it feels right. When you just want to splice togheter audio rather than multitrack or sound design, this thing is the winner and the UI blows both hokusai and twisted wave in that it almost seems designed to beat the specific pain points
of their interfaces.

I haven't really looked at the effects yet but in terms of finding an iPad replacement for "wave editor" in terms of workflow it is exactly the same. Unfortunately, that software developed into a fully fledged DAW and it lost the "easy wave editing with layers" simplicity of a unitasker tool.

The looping aspect of it is really interesting because it's such a unique part of it, and apparently being able to fire loops with the auv3 ...

But it was worth the price of admission just to get quick wave editing that is, absolutely and without question, the single best UI and it seems like it was literally designed around the pain points of other apps - I was blown away by how easy it was to get things exactly where I wanted them, which was always fiddly.

If you're just splicing and want it to feel quick and satisfying, this is your tool. It does some looper thing but the biggest point is that it does its basic tasks in a smooth and satisfying way, incorporating newer concepts rather than using UIs best worked with the precision of the mouse. It's intuitive and right on the interface for you to type in the exact position you want your playhead. Getting the playhead exactly where I want it has been the biggest pain point for both twisted wave and hokusai.