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Banned for having ‘Snowflake’ as a title?!

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  • wimwim
    edited December 2019

    The racial and political connotations are new on me. I decided not to use that word long ago in part because it was too much of a cliché already. But I always thought it was simply an snarky way to say someone (anyone, not a minority or political group) is too easily offended.

    Glad I stopped by.

    (btw, life was more fun back when we could make fun of one another. I remember. B) )

  • @wim said:
    The racism and political bent connotations are new on me. I decided not to use that word long ago mostly because it was too much of a cliché already. But I always understood it as simply an snarky way to say someone (anyone, not a minority or political group) is too easily offended.

    Glad I stopped by.

    It had it’s moment in the early 2000s at work, along with a lot of ‘you are not your job’ ‘all singing, dancing crap of the world’ kind of talk and then it kind of faded out only to show up again on YT clips with angry dudes in suits late to the party.

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    @wim said:

    (btw, life was more fun when we could make fun of one another. I remember. B) )

    That is where real meat space friends are an advantage. There is this awesome thing called body language and tone of voice. I love it!

  • PS. I am just waiting for people to wake up so I can make some noise and clean my room. No, I am not being figurative! very literal!

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    Lol

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  • GET BANED

    no wait wait that's not quite right.... back to the drawing board

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    (btw, life was more fun back when we could make fun of one another. I remember. B) )

    Thanks, that was basically all I wanted to say. When I was young, everyone made fun of everyone else, no matter if the other party "found it funny", and guess what, we survived, mostly even stayed friends, and the world kept turning! In fact I should be especially "snowflakey" today, because I had HUGE problems with being bullied in school etc. for various reasons, but it instead just increased my self-esteem ("they must all be wrong!") :D so, I think it really is a matter of your attitude and how you react to it all.

    Elon Musk was constantly being bullied in school as well from what I hear, and he's now basically the most famous dude in the world. So it doesn't seem to have hurt him a lot.

    @espiegel123 OK, so "snowflake" is mostly used in racial / political contexts. But does it really matter? I think "racism" is applied very liberally nowadays and given too much importance. I've worked with black artists back when I still had the studio, and they made fun of their "blackness" themselves. As I made fun of my "whiteness". People should just stop being offended and instead have fun again!

    Anyway, back to this pesky audio graph shit.

    Aye, fear is a buzzkill and I think this has been the gas on the fire. The current techno-algorithm-linked-culture has simply escalated general fear and anxiety. Before we could diffuse it with a joke or ribbing but that stuff just does not translate well to the disembodied online world/life... so... new rules! Whatever they may be or become in time.

  • Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Faland said:
    Sorry, no native English here, what’s the problem with the word snowflakes?

    From what I understand (no native English speaker either), "Snowflake" is being used to make fun of people (especially various minorities) that are easily offended (i.e. "they have a personality that is as sensitive as a snowflake and can be easily crushed").

    Due to the recently increasing paranoia, many platforms are afraid of being accused of "hate speech", harassment etc. if someone possibly might be offending someone else, so they rather delete one too many posts than one too few to avoid being shutdown or paying hefty fines.

    @SevenSystems : your understanding of how "snowflake" is used in social/political context in the U.S. is not accurate. More accurately: it is used by people (usually people insensitive to racism) to troll people who think that racism and racial stereotypes are offensive. Until recently, it was a term mostly used by people sympathetic to right-wing ideologies here in the U.S. . More recently, it has been thrown back at the right-wing when they express dismay at being called out for their point of view.

    To say that it is used to make fun of people that are "easily offended" implies that those people shouldn't be offended. In the U.S., it has usually been thrown around by people who don't like having their racism (which has historically been tolerated) called out. They use it to act as if people who have historically been powerless should continue to tolerate disrespect.

    Very well put.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2019

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

  • @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    Due to the nature of language and culture such a book would need to be released in a zillion editions accounting for every combination and permutation of language, geography, age, ethnicity, online community habits etc etc. There is talk of ‘tolerance’ by some with no accounting for ‘tolerance’ of where someone may be within the fragmented schism of linguistic anomalies. The one saving grace, and antidote for nerves or fear in this whole situation is we are all on the same fragmented boat and guilty of saying the wrong thing to someone. Unification is over and I think/hope the more this sinks in to everyone on the new cyber planet that it all just chills out a bit. Internet has been a heck of a curve ball.

  • @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    It's really not.

  • edited December 2019

    @espiegel123 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Faland said:
    Sorry, no native English here, what’s the problem with the word snowflakes?

    From what I understand (no native English speaker either), "Snowflake" is being used to make fun of people (especially various minorities) that are easily offended (i.e. "they have a personality that is as sensitive as a snowflake and can be easily crushed").

    Due to the recently increasing paranoia, many platforms are afraid of being accused of "hate speech", harassment etc. if someone possibly might be offending someone else, so they rather delete one too many posts than one too few to avoid being shutdown or paying hefty fines.

    @SevenSystems : your understanding of how "snowflake" is used in social/political context in the U.S. is not accurate. More accurately: it is used by people (usually people insensitive to racism) to troll people who think that racism and racial stereotypes are offensive. Until recently, it was a term mostly used by people sympathetic to right-wing ideologies here in the U.S. . More recently, it has been thrown back at the right-wing when they express dismay at being called out for their point of view.

    To say that it is used to make fun of people that are "easily offended" implies that those people shouldn't be offended. In the U.S., it has usually been thrown around by people who don't like having their racism (which has historically been tolerated) called out. They use it to act as if people who have historically been powerless should continue to tolerate disrespect.

    What a bullshit to come up with race, race, and RACE. Probably an obsession of @espiegel123 and his fellow bubblers. Though I must admit that the word can be used as @espiegel123 uses it, the word is in fact widely used by large parts of the US population (all colors, genders, etc.) to point to millenials that are over sensitive to certain words, gestures, images, etc. and this even not always in a negative context. It is understandable that young people become over senstive in a world in which you can be cancelled for saying a wrong word that yesterday everybody used to use. It's not always fun to grow up in a world that requires you to be on social media but surrounded by moral superior beings that have the power to destroy your online presence. It's just a word that is being used for over sensitive young people.

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  • wimwim
    edited December 2019

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    It's really not.

    Yeh, it was over-dramatization on my part. That one caught me totally by surprise though. I could easily have committed that particular faux-pas without even having realized it.

  • @wim said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    It's really not.

    Yeh, it was over-dramatization on my part. That one caught me totally by surprise though. I could easily have committed that particular faux-pas without even having realized it.

    I laughed and asked if we could still talk about the ‘back end’ in the app we are making.

  • @greengrocer said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Faland said:
    Sorry, no native English here, what’s the problem with the word snowflakes?

    From what I understand (no native English speaker either), "Snowflake" is being used to make fun of people (especially various minorities) that are easily offended (i.e. "they have a personality that is as sensitive as a snowflake and can be easily crushed").

    Due to the recently increasing paranoia, many platforms are afraid of being accused of "hate speech", harassment etc. if someone possibly might be offending someone else, so they rather delete one too many posts than one too few to avoid being shutdown or paying hefty fines.

    @SevenSystems : your understanding of how "snowflake" is used in social/political context in the U.S. is not accurate. More accurately: it is used by people (usually people insensitive to racism) to troll people who think that racism and racial stereotypes are offensive. Until recently, it was a term mostly used by people sympathetic to right-wing ideologies here in the U.S. . More recently, it has been thrown back at the right-wing when they express dismay at being called out for their point of view.

    To say that it is used to make fun of people that are "easily offended" implies that those people shouldn't be offended. In the U.S., it has usually been thrown around by people who don't like having their racism (which has historically been tolerated) called out. They use it to act as if people who have historically been powerless should continue to tolerate disrespect.

    What a bullshit to come up with race, race, and RACE. Probably an obsession of @espiegel123 and his fellow bubblers. Though I must admit that the word can be used as @espiegel123 uses it, the word is in fact widely used by large parts of the US population (all colors, genders, etc.) to point to millenials that are over sensitive to certain words, gestures, images, etc. and this even not always in a negative context. It is understandable that young people become over senstive in a world in which you can be cancelled for saying a wrong word that yesterday everybody used to use. It's not always fun to grow up in a world that requires you to be on social media but surrounded by moral superior beings that have the power to destroy your online presence. It's just a word that is being used for over sensitive young people.

    The last person I saw referred to as a snowflake in meat space was a mid 50s techno-hippy, had nothing to do with age and I don't think it was being used ironically. Like a lot of terms I think it is pretty loose and open to interpretation.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    Yep, seeing all this "sexual harrassment" stuff going on -- if I had to take a normal job at the office, I would definitely be extremely "Mr. Spock"-like if I had to deal with female colleagues, or would outright ask my boss if I could instead please work with a male colleague. Maybe this is all an over-reaction, and it's a pity for those females who are still "normal" (and probably even most of them are!), but yeah, society isn't doing itself a favor by basically being completely mental and psychotic throughout.

    BUT maybe it's also all a side-effect of seeing the world increasingly just through online sources and "the news". They paint a strongly biased image of it, and maybe in the end, most "real life" people are actually "normal".

    Best not to isolate. Should do a Google Meet Up or join a World of Warcraft raid group.

  • @wim said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Someone actually mentioned ‘grooming’ a new employee at work a few months ago and half the room (about a half dozen) went cold and said they better not use that world anymore. Had to google it... what do you know? new rule!

    omg. Words fail me.

    There needs to be a Websters Dictionary of Offensive Words, updated monthly. This is making me nervous. I trained myself never to open a door for a female, never to compliment them in any way at work, to avoid more than the briefest eye contact, etc.. But this is a whole new minefield.

    It's really not.

    Yeh, it was over-dramatization on my part. That one caught me totally by surprise though. I could easily have committed that particular faux-pas without even having realized it.

    But it wouldn't be a faux-pas as everyone would know what you were referring to. As I said in my original comment - context. A bit of common sense is helpful in these situations too.

    What's happened in the last few years is that bigotry, bullying (particularly online) and hate-speech are becoming acceptable. And when people on the wrong-end of it complain they're called 'snowflakes', as if it's their fault they're offended by someone else's actions against them. The people doing the name calling like to justify this type of thing as 'freedom of speech', when all it really is, is just nasty shit made acceptable by the new breed of right-wing politicians.

    I guess that makes me a snowflake too. Good.

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  • I sure hope this was a case of automod going a bit crazy, but sadly it appears that likely wasn't the case. If automod caused this, a real human moderator could override it if I recall correctly.

  • edited December 2019

    @ikmultimedia said:
    I sure hope this was a case of automod going a bit crazy, but sadly it appears that likely wasn't the case. If automod caused this, a real human moderator could override it if I recall correctly.

    It seems to be on reddit now given the above link... so... ?

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @espiegel123 OK, so "snowflake" is mostly used in racial / political contexts. But does it really matter? I think "racism" is applied very liberally nowadays and given too much importance. I've worked with black artists back when I still had the studio, and they made fun of their "blackness" themselves. As I made fun of my "whiteness". People should just stop being offended and instead have fun again!

    Anyway, going back to this pesky audio graph shit now!

    Does racism matter? Yes.

    People making fun of their own group is completely irrelevant to whether being stigmatized by the group in power is ok. Stigmatized groups often joke among themselves and play off of the mainstream culture's stereotypes amongst themselves as a way of dealing with stigmatization. They can make jokes among themselves that would be hurtful if told my a person from the mainstream group. Context matters.

    One mostly (though not exclusively) hears those complaints that "people are being too sensitive" from people that are part of the social/ethnic group that holds the power. That should tell us something about the power dynamic. It is easy to not be offended when you have (whether you realize it or not) the power.

    Because some people survive bullying does not mean that people that are systematically stigmatized and discriminated should accept their treatment -- or that people shouldn't be bothered by bullying. Being bullied by other people of your same social group is very different from being part of a group that has historically been subject to long-term systematic abuse.

    People that have not been the subject of systematic discrimination often do not understand what effect it has. White people (in countries where power has been historically in the hands of white people and where non-white people have been systematically discriminated against) deciding that people shouldn't be offended or affected by racism is an indicator that they either don't understand racism's impact or are insensitive to it (and racism has a whole gamut from the "benign" racism of denying that it is an issue in places where it affects the quality of many people's lives to the overt racism where people have bad-feelings towards people of ethnic backgrounds).

    My general rule of thumb is to listen when someone tells me that something I've said is insensitive and take them at their word -- and avoid treating them in a way that they find insensitive. It seems to me like we would all be better if we treated each other decently and tried to understand why people feel hurt or offended by something we didn't intend to be hurtful or offensive.

    p.s. This is not intended as a comment about whether it was right or not for Reddit not to allow the posting of the song.

  • Try a re title of “overly sensitive worthless takers whose heads are going to explode next November when he who will not be named is elected again” and see if that helps? Maybe they just don’t like shorthand?

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    @SevenSystems said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    What's happened in the last few years is that bigotry, bullying (particularly online) and hate-speech are becoming acceptable.

    "hate-speech" can't really be compared to a few years back because that term didn't even exist. It seems to be used as a generalized label for anything that doesn't conform to one's own opinion.

    That’s not the case. It’s defined in the dictionary as "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation".

    And it is getting worse, certainly here in the UK.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Faland said:
    Sorry, no native English here, what’s the problem with the word snowflakes?

    From what I understand (no native English speaker either), "Snowflake" is being used to make fun of people (especially various minorities) that are easily offended (i.e. "they have a personality that is as sensitive as a snowflake and can be easily crushed").

    Due to the recently increasing paranoia, many platforms are afraid of being accused of "hate speech", harassment etc. if someone possibly might be offending someone else, so they rather delete one too many posts than one too few to avoid being shutdown or paying hefty fines.

    @SevenSystems : your understanding of how "snowflake" is used in social/political context in the U.S. is not accurate. More accurately: it is used by people (usually people insensitive to racism) to troll people who think that racism and racial stereotypes are offensive. Until recently, it was a term mostly used by people sympathetic to right-wing ideologies here in the U.S. . More recently, it has been thrown back at the right-wing when they express dismay at being called out for their point of view.

    To say that it is used to make fun of people that are "easily offended" implies that those people shouldn't be offended. In the U.S., it has usually been thrown around by people who don't like having their racism (which has historically been tolerated) called out. They use it to act as if people who have historically been powerless should continue to tolerate disrespect

    His was more accurate than yours. Lol.

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