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Now, can someone help me with what might be a very simple question?
With the Gadget update, I can't seem to get a sync'd record start for midi record. For example, I'm playing a midi track from Cubasis, this is driving an instrument in Gadget. They play in sync, but I haven't found a way to sync automate the start of the recording in Gadget w/ the start of play in Cubasis. Is this currently possible, or is the only way to manually push the record button in Gadget?
No sync yet...
that leads onto....How are ppl using this now its got AB?
The sound of gadget is already bang on...ok a touch of audio mastering helps,but I'm starting to feel korg missed a trick here and should have dropped this in the output slot.....my point being that ACP seems to still be the best way to get these beautiful sounds out of gadget and into a daw.
If gadget added audio record and dropped into the output slot,the other apps would come to it.
All feels a bit arse about tit.
Also having to rotate the pad each time you switch from gadget to effect/daw....I mean this is cutting edge tech...ain't it?we are in 2014?
But I still love it and don't wont to cause and audio-fus:)
Thanks for the sync info, @commonstookie. I'd say available in input and output would be the most ideal. But, adding the audio record is still a big if...
And so was I, only expressing my opinion. I don't see what was silly about saying if AB never existed, this forum wouldn't exist either.
To be honest, i'm really liking using Gadget as my main DAW (I don't want to go back to Cubasis). So being in the input slot of Audiobus doesn't add anything much for me. And we could already get the tracks out through audiocopy anyway.
I'm waiting for KORG to allow us to get audio (and other apps as IAA ideally) into Gadget, and for them to put Gadget in the output slot - in line with what commonstookie says above.
Nice update, though honestly I was expecting quite a bit more from it. However, looks like they are working hard to keep Gadget moving in the right direction, so that's great.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Someone on Dischord's site mentioned that for now we'll have to live w/ things like Gadget > Turnado > Cubasis via AudioBus.
For a lot of us, being able to do this in real time, which is the magic of AudioBus, is essential to our creative process. It's great that your work process doesn't seem to require realtime auditioning of effects, etc., but it does help tremendously for a lot of people.
I lose my inspiration if I'm stuck stopping to dump out audio via audio copy each time I change a phrase in Gadget, then going on to continue with auditioning effects that I'm using in a 3rd party app… For me, much more seamless to stream it all together on the Bus.
With out audio input and recording capability I could never consider gadget as a D A W.
The input used with cubasis or which ever true daw is going to be helpful if only to use gadget for excellent backing tracks. I will not be updating until later on so I will have to see yet how I might use it the most. I certainly can not use it as a daw with no recording however Audiobus would be a useless feature for me if I only used gadget without another daw to work into.
Having Gadget in the output slot with a recording feature would be great, and I'm sure it's coming. In the input slot it can be useful for adding effects thru the effects slot. This is possible by soloing tracks, or sending song thru mastering apps.
Yep - fair enough. I've been using Beatmaker 2 actually (just don't really like some things about Cubasis) - but then Gadget came along and just made everything (for me anyway) much, much faster/easier for composing music.
I guess what I mean is I want to use it as my main DAW - but I agree it needs audio (and MIDI) and being able to get other apps and effects into it...
@mgmg4871 said:
Of course we're all expressing opinions all the time. What you said about forum not existing without AB is true. What is silly, is to be using it as an argument for not glorifying non-audiobus 'tendencies'. If AB was a communist state they would be kicking people out for non compliance. What is actually happening is a democratic forum where people say what they think and this is mostly why it is flourishing amongst ALL ios users.
As for gadget in my eyes it remains errr..a gadget. It has a nice sequencer but without audio or sample import on the inside we've got ourselves another product to add to the pile of apps that 'sometimes' sync with each other. What made gadget so special was the ease of use and no need for fuffing about with midi etc. Today I re downloaded Tabletop and with imini and isem plugged in via iaa the sound was noticeably superior to Gadget. In fact gadget with all its merits reminds me a little of garage band. A lovely easy to use app with a reasonable sound to put few tracks together.
As for the REAL releases there is AB2 coming and that's where my expectations are. No midi sync as yet but routing sounds tasty.
P.s. Sorry @mgmg4871 I did not mean to offend at any stage.
I've dragged my feet on picking this up, but i'm thinking about purchasing since i'm sure the sale won't last much longer.
My main concern is workflow. I have Cubasis but i'd like to do everything in Gadget (no patience for stopping in the middle of a project to export/cut/paste into another app.
How possible is that w/the current version? I want to use my MIDI keyboard to trigger the synths in Gadget and that sounds like that's supported, right? Just MIDI sync is lacking?
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Agree, I too would often use Gadget as main DAW for a lot of work, if it had audio, more robust MIDI support, and Output slot in AudioBus.
@superdom Actually, the communists weren't that keen on kicking dissenters out, they tended to hang on to them...
Plus, let's not forget the communist witch hunts in the US a few decades back...
I'm certainly not trying to hijack the thread off topic again, but calling the Air a lemon is just bonkers to me. I upgraded from a 2 so maybe my perspective is skewed in that sense. My Air is amazing. I can open like a bajillion plugins in Airia - and heavy resource ones like Saturn- where on my two I was limited to maybe one of these - IF I froze tracks first. I could see calling the iPad 2 a lemon comparatively, but that's just as equally a sensationalist comment, in my opinion. I have zero problems with my Air. In fact, it's made me love making music on my iPad about 5x more. To each their own, but if I thought my Air was a "lemon" it would be at the Apple store right now and not here on my desk. Different strokes, I guess.
@supadom Not offended at all. Thanks.
I've just made a small breakthrough people might be interested in.
I've finally worked out how to get a sync start between Gadget and Beatmaker 2 (am sure it would work with Cubasis too - and probably other DAWs).
It's a very long way round and requires 2 iOS devices, Bluetooth and a couple of apps - but the method is (assuming you are running Gadget and say Beatmaker 2 on the same ipad):
Get the Apollo midi over bluetooth app (which is very good) on both your ipad and iphone
Launch Beatmaker2 and Gadget on your ipad and set up the projects with the same BPM
Also launch Beatmaker2 on your iphone
Connect the iphone and ipad together for bluetooth Midi using apollo
Have Gadget (as the master) WIST start Beatmaker2 on your iphone
Have Beatmaker2 on your iphone send Midi clock out to Beatmaker 2 on your iPad (Beatmaker 2 on your ipad must have the both the 'Midi clock send' and the 'Midi clock receive' button unchecked - else the tempo goes crazy for some reason).
You then start Gadget which starts the iPhone BM2 which in turn starts the ipad BM2 (although theoretically it could start anything on the iPad which receives MIDI sync start).
To clarify, it enables a sync start between Gadget and Beatmaker2 on the same iPad.
I'd say about 60% of the time things start together. 40% of the time they don't and you have to stop, RWD and press play again. It will also only start from the beginning of the track (that's WIST limitation).
Also, things aren't perhaps synced to the millisecond - but they are probably better and less fiddly (once you have things set up) than relying on pressing both start buttons at the same time manually.
@PaulB said:
I was actually referring to kicking out of the communist party. As for the US communist witch hunts I can't comment really or we'll be off on a journey off topic.
Bear in mind that you can only play notes (with velocity) with an external keyboard. Nothing else (no pitch bend, no MIDI ccs) yet (as far as I know).
IMO it's a great for synth-based instrumental stuff though. You can write many complete instrumental tracks in it.
And now AB means you can get stuff out (and add 3rd party effects) more easily... although I know that wasn't your question
Good update.
The Gadget sale is extended to March 31st, btw.
@superdom Fair enough. I'm not much of a political animal anyway, I just like to be even handed.
Korg has an amazing timing,i just received my mini retina today so i don't bother with the portrait mode anymore.
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@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
That's very helpful, thanks! At this point, i'm happy to use basic MIDI functions so that works for me. All of my projects would be instrumental as well, so it sounds like Gadget would be a good fit. I'm very happy they're extending the sale too.
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Just to add to the lemonade. I'm currently running tabletop with imini, isem and magellan via iaa with some vocal track and a drum machine with some in app filtering. With this in the background I have a gadget project with 7 gadgets running as we speak. On top of that there is audio mastering, audioshare, mail and chrome on which I'm writing. No issues at all. Maybe ipad 4 can handle that. I can't check, I sold mine.
P.s. The tabletop is not actually playing
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@Simon
I can't remember signing a disclaimer stating I won't post AB unrelated material. I am AB user and have tons of audiobus compatible apps. This said I am also like water and like to explore all of the avenues of ios music making in the name of creativity. I am respectful of others and try to be a valid member of this community helping others who know less and being humbled by those who know much more but.....Having somebody reminding me that my priority is to favour AB because I'm on AB forum is bonkers irrespective of anybody's opinion. Talking about non AB stuff does not diminish devs achievement or their efforts in setting up or running this forum. Neither does it make me wanna have a retronyms or AB tattoo.
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AB in the output would of been an asset, would of been nice to get those other App sounds in Gadget workflow.
I am also waiting to see how they implement IAA.
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