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@qryss , your link refers to oral supplementation. Completely different from high doses administered intravenously.
No kidding. I’d highly recommend ‘Theory of the Partisan’ and ‘Political Theology’. It’s the world according to Lucifer.
I would be cautious about your source. "world health.net" does not appear to be a reliable of source of news and the site that it cites is also not reputable. They are both sites devoted to using nutritional supplements and nowhere have I found anything like an official or scientific statement about intravenous vitamin C being effective in treating corona virus.
^^
at least a clinical trial has been initiated by a doctor who has been involved in the front line treatment. that doesn’t usually happen unless there has been an observable effect which prompts further investigation.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533
i am generally cautious of all & any sources in our new & exciting deep faked post truth world.
the term ‘reputable’ is not one which i would necessarily associate with msm outlets
this appears to be the source of the claim, via the Chinese Journal of Infectious Diseases, 2020, 38
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.medsci.cn/guideline/list.do?s_id=9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ponerology
I'm pretty sure intravenous Vitamin C was banned by the FDA in the US...
@Max23, indeed. In addition, since I don’t have a primary physician here in Georgia I cannot get to see a doctor till the end of March. There’s always the ER, but that sounds pretty dangerous. If I get serious on you guys @McD will give you snarky updates. Just kidding. “I feel good and confident I will be fine” Amelia Erhardt... just kidding. She didn’t have a clue.
"Medsci.cn" isn't actually the Chinese Journal of Infectious Medicine. So, it isn't clear that the article is an accurate summary of actual vetted data.
It is fair to assume that researchers in the international infectious disease community would be aware if there were data suggesting massive vitamin C doses were a reliable cure.
I'd be very cautious about treating as accurate information that is primarily promoted by sites who seem focused on selling nutritional supplements. There is not some massive conspiracy of doctors to ignore facts (even though they sometimes are slow to pick up on advances in research).
Take vitamin c if you like, but no one should be thinking of it as a reliable cure without some solid data to base that on. Believe me, if it were that simple, the WHO would be out there promoting it.
Yup.
well i’m not in a policy making role so it’s just an interwebs observation, no biggie.
vitamin c has been recognised as a useful respiratory infection therapy for decades & in terms of dr’s, conspiracies & facts, nutrition imho, is one aspect that is often woefully underrepresented by allopathic medicine in general. as with all sciences, medicine is a work in progress replete with its own particular ongoing successes, failures & atrocities (not meaning to divert the thread from its stated terms with looming politically tinged clouds, so likely best to leave that there)
@Paul16, clever devil. And you thought no one would notice. Ponerology indeed!
(no politics or complaints about governance please)
It derails the intent sharing of helpful information that could save lives and protect us and our loved ones.
I always consider what tools are available for a Doctor in these case:
1. anti-biotics for secondary infection control
2. hospitalization for access to respiratory aids and supervision
3. send you to an out-patient lab for tests - in this case there might not be one for your medical history
MY PERSONAL BIASES FOR PROFESSIONAL CARE IN A PANDEMIC:
hospitals/ERs have a virus control problem IMHO
I elect to avoid them unless you need ICU level services (and they may be rationed soon)
Legally they can't put you out of your misery - should be an option - humane and cost effective
Improve your recovery odds with diet, any exercise you can manage and over the counter remedies.
Home treatments - steamed warm air to help remove mucus more effectively and deeply in the lungs
Any other advice for the most vulnerable among us?
I know you are not living alone... is anyone else exhibiting symptoms or is it just your tired ass that's in the weeds.
You know what you did to bring this on... being born too earl and living too well. Sad.
boost your gut biome
I think I recently ate my kefir culture, went to change the pot and there was only the finished produt, the previous lot I'd blended into soup, which I can only assume contained the colony 😬
In Italy now we are all red zone... wow. I hope that everyone live safe to support the resolution of this epidemic. Until 4th of April. But I really don't know how this measure will be effective in concrete. Everyone has to take his part in this thing.
+1. Varied diet, lots of fibre. I also take vitamin C. Not for the virus, but to help keep colds at bay, which would take up bodily resources when I might need them for virus fighting.
Might work, might not, but no harm in trying.
I also find getting pissed every night helps my stress levels.
OK - this is the place for my diatribe since I've nowhere else to vent.
My heart is breaking for Italy right now.
Growing up, the only close family I had was my dad's family, The Italians. My mother's family was never very close, and had no interest in spending time together, so from birth EVERY holiday and family get together was with The Italians. Easter, Christmas, Labor Day/Memorial Day (US Holidays), Thanksgiving, birthdays, summer vacations - you name it, likely we were at my grandparents house, in the basement, with the rest of my grandmother's brother & sisters, wives and husbands, kids, etc.
Being "Italian" was an enormous part of my identity growing up as it was the only family I felt close to. The problem was that I always felt "less" Italian than everyone else, mainly because my mother was not "a nice Italian girl." I don't look particularly Italian - my hair was blond (and is now dirty blond/brown), my eyes are more green than brown, my skin tone is too light.... I always was envious of my cousins who looked the part more than I did. My father always kept his own Italian identity at arms length, as if he was embarrassed to be associated with the culture. When my grandparents passed, it was the end of an era, and the end of those big get togethers. As I got older, I felt less and less connected to not only my immediate family but to the Italians as well - I just wasn't quite the Goombah that everyone else was. This was never reflected in anyone's attitude towards me, rather this was just something I'd always quietly felt deep down - I'm not as much a part of "the club" as everyone else.
Then I stumbled upon my eligibility for Italian Citizenship.
It was a revelation - finally, some concrete confirmation of my own Italian-ness, and an affirmation of my own feelings for this culture and my family after so many years. I was CONVINCED I was not eligible. I waited for the other shoe to drop - but it never did. After 3+ years of documents and appointments, I was recognized as an Italian citizen almost one full year ago.
During the course of my citizenship journey, I took my wife and 2 kids to Italy for vacation. It was our first trip abroad as a family. We went to Rome, but also traveled to my family's ancestral village. It was mind-blowing and wonderful and we all fell in love with Italy. My wife and I decided that Italy was the place for our future. And with this in mind, I have been pursuing a move to Italy for YEARS now.
I don't talk to my father much any more, and neither him nor my sister expressed any interest in my pursuit of our collective history. I didn't understand why this wasn't as exciting for them as it was for me, but I wasn't about to push it on them. This was about and for me, not them.
I've never felt all that attached to or patriotic for America. I've always been a cynic, a skeptic, questioning the system. I've never been super gung-ho about anything particularly American, and always been a bit embarrassed in international circles admitting that I'm American. I've always felt more of an attachment to Europe but not known why, and Italy for obvious reasons. And now with the citizenship, I feel an overwhelming sense of obligation to a country I've been to once that I never felt for the country I've lived in for 40+ years.
And now this - Italy has essentially shut the entire country down. And I fear that this may destroy them.
I don't know why I feel so strongly, but I'm literally crying over here. For them, for me... It breaks my heart to see such distress in a place that I strangely feel so deeply connected to and now want to help protect. Part of our idea to move there was to give thanks - thanks to Italy for this amazing gift of citizenship, and of acknowledgement. Thanks for the opportunities it affords me, and now my kids who are also citizens. "Let's move to Italy, pay taxes there for a while, contribute, see if we can find some miniscule way of helping the country move forward...."
This disease/lockdown doesn't stop that, and it doesn't stop my yearning to be there. But it is both heartbreaking and soul crushing to watch it all happen from afar and to be powerless to do anything.
Stay safe, people. Don't panic - be smart. Stay inside - it's for all of us. Keep your eyes open, and wash your hands.
Ok - back to our regularly scheduled snark from Mr. @McD
This whole thing is all very, very weird, and very scary.
While I’m pretty sure I’ll fight this off, I’m also pretty sure a large chunk of elderly/unhealthy friends/family are goners, including my sister.
No politics, but the UK couldn’t be less prepared if it tried.
Dark times ahead, so be kind, and support each other.
We’ve spent decades shitting on the planet, now it’s doing the same to us.
Good one... very few people understand this personal health detail and it's impacts on the immune system.
Most would discount it entirely.
"%10 Human" and "I Am Multitudes" can help explain the significance of your advice. My wife is a retired RN with
an active/curious mind about health and she's just ordered us some pills to help with immunities and general well being...
of course she also wants a lot of diet changes and no alcohol so it's "controversial". One of those "I'd rather die first" negotiations. Still... giving it a go.
How the €$£k can this not involve politics ?
If our lifeline wasn’t linked like dna to an extreme capitalist monetary system
then we could just protect the health workers, pay them well, put any non essential workers to homework and write off debt.
But oh no. Money is our ruler.
zeitgeist movie and the occupy movement where waaaay ahead of their time.
Of course it involves politics but this thread is for advice to improve your odds as a human. Threads about politics are the
domain of other forums... this is for music but @michael will tolerate good advice for the general welfare of ABF members in crisis. Wildfires, Pandemics, Alien invasions that test society and threaten us as individuals.
Money is a lot more complex than you imagine. But this is not useful in a pandemic for individuals. Public policy debates need to happen elsewhere.
OK... you had the mic... NO POLITICS OR WE LOOSE THE ROOM. Capice?
We thought containment meant along the lines of borders... wall off China.
Italy just created an internal border.
SXSW cancelled it's location... poof.
Avoid crowds. Be aware of what your hands do and wash as often as needed to be allowed to touch your face or someone you love or anything they might touch. Containment is at the level of your skin for the best odds of improving all our odds.
Wishing all the best. ❤️😌