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Behringer - Please think at least twice before buying anything from them
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Like somebody pointed out, they are good at ripping other people's stuff:
https://reverb.com/ca/item/21514392-the-cork-sniffer-preamp-dirtyboost-from-blammo?locale=en-CA
I am glad this mentality didn't exist in the 60s or Woodstock would have never happened..................
I am more outraged by MASS MARKET TIME RELEASE FAUX YOUTUBE REVIEWS FOR PRODUCTS ......IT UNDERMINES PRODUCT PERCEPTION WHETHER THEY ARE GREAT GEAR OR NOT...........
I’ve explained the hands, eyes, beard etc ,
I’ve already posted an example I’m not going to spend my time looking for racist images to post to convince you.
If you can’t see it in the images posted you can look on google yourself and if you still can’t see it you need glasses mate.
What exactly do you think the similarities are? The beard is completely different (traditional anti-semitic beards are curly, kind of scratch and dirty looking). The noses aren't even in the same ball park (a big straight nose has never been an anti-semitic trope). The eyes are different. What exactly is the similarity here supposed to be?
Also if we want to really go into the weeds of comix criticism (I wasted my 20s collecting underground comics, what can I say), the hands are also different. An anti-semite image would have hands that seem be grasping, or money grubbing (as the example you posted above has). The Kirn caricature has hands.
I will add, it's a shitty caricature.
What are the similarities. The nose is very different, the hands are completely different, the beard is different, the eyes are different, the head is different. All I've seen is that he has a beard, and a big nose. Which is a stretch.
I'm into cartooning and caricature and the Pinocchio nose is if anything a cliche of political cartooning at this point in time.
But this is completely different to that image.
It certainly isn’t completely different or this debate would not exist.
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People that say you can’t be racist against white people, are working from a different definition of racism. Racism is being twisted to fit an agenda as all bigotry usually is at times. It’s often those that cry racism the most that are often most bigoted against specific groups, see group differences the most, or group people to further their own agendas.
That was exactly my first thought when I watched the vid.
Bratty little children's behavior just doesn't fit such a company, except it was a bad joke done by their designers and 3D modelers and Uli didn't even know about it..
Who knows.
Whatever.
If nothing else this will provide an excellent business school case study. I still can’t believe this thing got greenlit. Behringer is a proper company, not some guy who gets drunk one night and goes an a Twitter rampage.
No, Ulli is swiss.
Anyway Ulli does not check everything the marketeer come up with something.
Btw did anyone get a response from peter kirn about this one?
I am sure he appreciates this hype but does not like any voice from anyone who wants to protect him, thats my guess.
You don’t draw resort to the cliche of a Pinocchio nose to imply a great sense of smell, which is the entire point of the satire. (Knobs for "acidity" and "cat pee.") Nobody looks at Pinocchio and says, I bet he's got a great sense of smell.
Why they chose that, we'll never know. Maybe it was as simple as someone saying, "Holy shit, dude, you can't draw a hook nose! That's anti-Semitic! Replace it with a different nose!"
The plausible deniability — the critic lies like Pinocchio, as exemplified by, um, knobs for "cat pee" — is the lifeblood of casual racism.
It is not, maybe, a successful satire. It is definitely a successful dog whistle.
Someone earlier said (paraphrasing) that you can't roast someone without love ... or something.
I disagree with this strenuously. Being mean to someone that you cannot stand or even hate can be great fun for the person dishing it out. But ultimately it's just mean. This whole business about everyone is too sensitive now and so forth smacks of words coming from folk who don't know what it is/was like to be bullied and pushed around. It's never fun to be made fun of, it just isn't. Even though the person on the receiving end may go along with it just to "get along" it stings and it hurts. Always.
I think B behaving this way is appalling and stupid. I hope it - in the end - helps Kirn out in some way. But pulling the fake ad and saying "sorry" on twitter is certainly not enough. Just when I thought that maybe just maybe I could be comfortable with B in the marketplace this shows up. Pretty revealing actually.
I am not saying that the video was anti-Semitic (it is objectionable independent of whether the image is anti-Semitic: the intention of the stunt was to humiliate someone--it was not in good fun).
Anyway, while I am not saying that the images are anti-Semitic, I find it really annoying that people scoff at anyone that feels like it might be--especially anyone that isn't Jewish. It isn't ridiculous to note the similarity between the image and traditional anti-Semitic imagery.
It is very different to look at it and say "it doesn't seem anti-Semitic to me" and to say "if you think that looks anti-Semitic you are being too sensitive."
(Again I take no position on whether it was anti-Semitic). The defense that "it looks like Pinocchio not an anti-Semitic image " seems simplistic. It isn't an either/or situation. The "it isn't a hook nose" defense sounds like something one would only say if your life and family has been untouched by genocide and centuries old demonization.
I can easily believe the intent was not anti-Semitic, but if you think people are ridiculous for seeing the possibility be thankful of the privileged life you've led.
Exactly.
I have suffered some pretty bad bullying when younger. I have changed my mind over my life regarding freedom of speech. After much deliberation, of which I have discussed some of here, I now fall squarely (with continued deliberation), within the freedom of speech takes precedence over anyone’s feelings being hurt. I still believe in some limits in law to freedom of speech, of which the U.K. still has to some degree, but of which is under threat.
So, is your idea that those who agree with freedom of speech being more likely to be those who have never suffered bullying based on any evidence?
@Fruitbat1919 : how is criticizing Behringer and wishing they'd take down their bullying video anti-free speech. Being in favor of free speech doesn't mean every idiotic and hurtful thing someone puts into circulation should stay in circulation.
Although now that I see* that the parody wasn't even an original idea — so ON BRAND for Behringer! — it's pretty clear that the big nose is what inspired the whole project.
*nice catch, @paradiddle
I agree completely. The problem is of course that you wind up defending the right to speech of some pretty odious people.
It's the thread that keeps on giving. I give it until... mmm, 200 posts?
Criticism and wishing something is not anti free speech. When people group together to pressure to force something to be taken down or removing the ability to express ones opinion, that is against free speech. Harm caused to an individual should have some address through a court in certain circumstances, which should be common knowledge and well written within law, as to reduce the potential for any laws to be used to remove freedom of speech.
The system is not perfect. The system is under threat. There is no perfect answer or system that will work for everyone. Behringer definitely tried to use the law to stifle freedom of speech, so I am in no way feeling any love for them.
I don’t actually. What do they say?
..draw cartoons about them (?)
@Max23 : not sure how that relates to my comment. The people treating it as ridiculous to wonder if the image is anti-Semitic are either insensitive or ignorant. As I said, I have opinion as to the intent of the image in that respect.
It ISN'T ridiculous for someone to consider the possibility that it was -- particularly during this time when anti-semitism and other sorts of racism and xenophobia are resurgent on both right and left.
In any case, the video and trademark are mean-spirited even if Peter (who is a stand up guy and done a lot to promote the digital arts) was the sole target of the mean spirit.
Check out the hand position. Check out the guy's expression. This is wilful ignorance on your part at this point.
@Fruitbat1919 : so you would be all good with a large company putting its resources into ridiculing you and having millions of people laughing at your expense?
How about if they put a poster ridiculing you somewhere you and your friends and family saw it everyday? You would feel like their free speech rights were being infringed if your friends and family asked to take it down?
Yep it sure sucks that’s true. It’s very difficult as is many things in life. I won’t go into details, but during my time nursing, I once cared for someone that had done some what I consider unforgivable acts. It’s tough to give decent care to someone that in my thoughts I would have preferred to see suffer for their acts, even if those thoughts were fleeting, Mental health in my opinion is no excuse for cruelty if any semblance of control is within that persons grasp.
Most come across instances in life where we struggle with matters where no easy answer is available. Situations where there is no winner. Times when moral right isn’t even close to being an option, if it was perceivable at all. I am very wary of people that state in terms of right / wrong easily. People that never self question there own thoughts and actions are usually dangerous in certain circumstances.
There is differences involved that most free speech advocates respect regarding duration, but that’s a long subject and it’s my tea time soon. As for the rest I will answer later maybe if you are indeed interested.
Just to add, a similar incident of someone posting something bad about myself has happened and yes, I still believe in free speech in most cases except where some harms can be proven. The dangers of free speech being eroded are far more worrying to myself than someone posting something hurtful about me.