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Err you don’t get to make that call I’m afraid.
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@Fruitbat1919 : but asking someone to take something down isn't an affront to free speech. It feels like free-speech absolutists mistakenly treat people that reject the absolutist as somehow being opposed to freedom of expression.
I saw a woman take a dump on the sidewalk in front of a bank. True story.
Didn’t you know that’s how some are framing racism now? They are in the process of changing the definition so that only certain groups have the right of certain opinions. To my mind making opinion viability only to people of certain races, is kinda racist!
Nope that’s a false equivalence
A white person can call out racism when they see it but....
a white person Is not in a position to decide if something is not racially offensive to black or Jewish people.
See the difference ?
It’s not racism if you’re human :P
To be fair, most of the complaints you see about the curtailing of ‘free speech’ are racists who have broken the law, or Facebook hate groups having their memes taken down.
It’s all bullshit. You can say pretty much what you like, providing it isn’t racist or hate speech.
My nephews wife likes to share BNP type meme posts every year complaining about ‘Muslims stopping us from wearing poppies’.
Obviously they’re not, as was confirmed by the British Legion. ‘Do you have a lot of problems with Muslims telling you to remove your poppy down there Jo?’ I asked her once. Her response was to post a picture of a golliwog, complaining you can’t even share pictures of them these days without the ‘PC brigade’ having a go.
You are correct. Asking someone to do something is not an affront to free speech. Manipulation to require an act or make sure that some groups are not allowed the same rights as others needs to be agreed and written comprehensively in law to try to (as I’ve said many times before) reduce some groups abusing power over others. It feels like, or that is your opinion of?
he did post a response this morning on one of the obscure synth channels I’ve subbed.
No. But the question I raised isn't "is it anti-Semitic" it is "is it ridiculous to see the possibility of it being anti-Semitic"
I actually thought your response was intended as a joke . Because "I am German " listed as bonafides for being able to judge the reasonabless of whether something is anti-Semitic is funny.
Back to your question. If the question was whether it was ridiculous to CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY that a meme was racist, yeah, your being of African descent would make a difference as to whether your opinion would carry any weight on the question of perception.
And there are many examples where people have had there freedoms inhibited by freedom of speech being taken from certain individuals. Even examples where it was found unlawful.
Woodstock was a good thing. No-one is suggesting we shouldn’t still have festivals.
Signs around that time that said ‘No dogs, No blacks, No Irish’, was a bad thing. That’s the mentality we should have evolved away from.
maybe some people are not aware of this: Uli B ist NOT german nor is Behringer a german company.
Examples?
Yes it could be Anti-Semitic the nose and the reference to the element Ge.
Yep of course. Between preparing tea no probs. One was quite recent where the police asked a bloke to ‘check his thinking’ and the incident could have stopped him gaining certain employment just due to the police ‘non crime report’.
PS. Did I mention I saw a woman take a dump on the sidewalk in front of a bank? (running on little sleep here)
His thinking about what? Did he break the law? Was it a racist comment?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Tribe
You are misconstruing what has been said. The question is whether people who aren't part of a historically demonized and ridiculed class can be the final arbiters of whether something FEELS like it is in line with the historic demonization and ridicule to which you have been subject.
So, yeah your opinion has less weight about whether something FEELS like it might be anti-Semitic or anti-African than that of someone in the group that feels targeted.
All people are entitled opinions...not all opinions on all topics have equal weight. On questions of misogyny, I defer to women I know if something strikes them as misogynist that isn't obvious to me. Does that guarantee that they are right? No. But their opinion has more weight than mine. And they have often picked up in things that I missed that were later clearly borne of misogyny.
Right. So they are a Filipino company now.
None of his comments broke any laws, but caused someone to report offence. His views were politically incorrect if you get my meaning, but the law found the police to be unlawful in their actions towards him. I will try to find you a link, but I’m afraid you will need to read multiple reports, as most are biased one way or the other.
'lying-face' emoji from Apple:
Is this anti-semitic? Does this not make the case that the use of a long nose like this is to caricature someone as a liar?
Certain uses of imagery are anti-semitic because they were used HISTORICALLY as a dog-whistle for anti-semitic purposes. Principle among these was the use of a 'hooked-nose'. A HOOKED NOSE. There is a long history of anti-semitic prejudices surrounding hooked noses, which were seen as stereotypically Jewish.
There has NEVER been a stereotype of Jewish people having long thin noses like Pinocchio. This is not a thing. However there is a long history, going back at least to the Disney film and probably longer, of a 'Pinocchio' nose being used in cartoons, comics and caricature to indicate a liar.
If you're Jewish and you find it offensive I can't stop you. However if you want to argue that it is playing on old anti-semitic tropes then you're wrong.
I'm not defending the cartoon. I think it's offensive and stupid. It's easy to make that case without add baseless charges of anti-semitism. Also I really despise situations like this where a powerful party (Behringer) is punching down at a weaker party (Peter Kirn). And I like Peter Kirn - he seems like a good guy.
But seriously there are enough examples of anti-semitism at the moment, without making them up unnecessarily. Hungary and Ukraine have anti-semitic governments, there are anti-semitic powerful politicians in the US congress. Maybe focus on that?
I do this too. But I've also encountered situations where the woman was clearly wrong, or where different women interpreted it very differently. I think it's important to listen, but also at the end of the day there has to be some kind of argument as to why it's racist/sexist - if only so one can change one's thinking going forward into the future. "Because I say so" is not a great argument.
And it can get very complicated as we've seen with the trans issue. I get why people try to simplify it this way, and it makes a certain amount of sense, but it's far from perfect.
I understand what’ you’ve written but I don’t think you understand the point I was making.
Try reading it again.