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Just 283 people died from Covid-19 in England and Wales in the week ending July 10, according to the ONS
For comparison, 917 influenza and pneumonia deaths were registered in the same week, statisticians said
I love how the goalposts always move. First it's lockdowns don't work (how did that go in the US states that reopened too early?), then it's masks, next it will be the vaccine. The only approach these people seem to agree on is do nothing.
Indeed @richardyot
There’s so many psychological reasons why people are like this, in this case it seems to be some sort of superiority complex, like we’re all too thick to understand what they do, when it’s perfectly clear that they’re either not capable of basic critical thinking or possibly it’s simply that they think that they can pull the wool over others eyes and enjoy the baiting.
I’d add some more but I suspect it’s just like insults off an incel’s back 🤣
The goalposts have not moved. There is even more evidence now that lockdowns don’t work. But there is real emerging evidence of the devastation they have caused. 200,000 predicted deaths by a UK government report as an impact of shutting down hospitals and doctors.
Many US states believed that, and cases are surging. Europe, as you pointed out above, flattened the curve by locking down.
The US is difficult to analyse because it is being politically driven.
Looking at all country’s there is zero correlation between the level of lockdowns and impact of the coronavirus. Here’s one bit of analysis.
Social distancing doesn't reduce the infection rate of a socially transmitted disease? Blimey.
In a shop when someone is breathing out millions of virus particles that are circulating around in the enclosed air. Do you think people keeping 2 meters distance from each other when walking around made any difference.
I'm reading this thread to avoid the more important things in my life.
WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR HERD IMMUNITY. Do you think 70+ percent of ANY population has been infected and recovered? If there was herd immunity anywhere the death tolls would be commensurately higher.
Please explain what either you or your study means by herd immunity.
And that's exactly why they shut pubs, theatres, cinemas and restaurants. Some shops had to stay open so that we didn't starve. You're arguing in favour of lockdown I'm pleased to see.
As for masks, medical masks are presumably more effective than simple cloth ones, that's something we also agree on
In the UK they locked down after the virus had peaked so it little to no effect. I would imagine most people have had it by now, the vast majority having cross immunity from other coronavirus so they have had little to no symptoms. There has been no spike in infections since lockdown ending. No effect from all those people going to the beach, protesting, going shopping and to the pub etc. Infections have continued to drop. 3 times more people are now dying from flu and pneumonia.
So why are they making it mandatory to wear masks now. And saying you will have to wear them until next year or you get a vaccine.
Because what you imagine ain’t real 🤣
Pure speculation, bordering on wishful thinking.
So much for the “Herd Immunity” “theory:”:
“Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be under 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. And yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.
Sweden also has a death toll more than four and a half times greater than that of the other four Nordic countries combined — more than seven times greater per million inhabitants.”
Absolute speculation couched on nothing any epidemiologist has ever said.
I’ve had the influenza, so based on that I’m immune to other influenza. The genome changes which is why there’s a flu every year.
BTW The masks stop the droplets which carry the virus, and at the very least minimize the distance anything can travel.
Have fun being contrarion
The UK curve just about exactly matches the Swedish one. They did a very soft lockdown compared to the UK but have had very similar results. If there was no immunity to this virus the deaths would be massive and keep increasing until I imagine plague proportions 50% of the population. So we can assume we already have a high level of immunity as the death rate has dropped back to normal levels.
Another study that backs up the Oxford University one on T cell immunity https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z_reference.pdf
Influenza is a different virus with a higher rate of mutation. The study’s have shown T cell immune reaction to this virus from people that had SARS (17 years ago) and also other common coronavirus that circulate.
Many people here don’t necessarily have any immune response from COVID19 despite having had it and it might only last for so long. Yes I know about the vaccine they’ve developed that does produce and immune response.
Don’t act like you know more than those in the field doing the work while you interpret charts and graphs.
Have fun being contrarian.
Research has shown everyone that has had it has shown a strong T cell response. Not necessarily an antibody response, probably because they did not get it severely enough.
Even using the phrase “lockdown” with regards to Sweden is ridiculous.
They didn't impose strict lockdown measures, instead asking citizens to stay home if they were sick and to practice social distancing in public. Bars, restaurants, and shops stayed open, even when cases peaked in the country.
No masks, either, @Mark B.
I heartily suggest you move there immediately!
You’ll be so happy you’ll have no need to contribute to this thread any longer! 🤗
Sweden is probably one of the safest countries now. They have got through this and built up immunity in the population. And despite what you read it doesn’t look like they are worse off than their neighbours.
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/nordic_comparison_4jul.html
Oh yes, so very very safe!
“Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 556 deaths per million inhabitants, compared with 425, as of July 20.” 🙄
Depends on how deaths are classified. We will only really know at the end of the year with all cause mortality figures.
But I would say Sweden is pretty safe now.
@Mark B
InPrortion 2, The site you are referencing is produced by a “concerned citizen from the UK, I have had a long career in information technology working with data and numbers. I am neither a scientist nor medic.”
He is also NOT a journalist.
He is also (like you, obviously) biased:
“Risks to civil liberties as authorities see it their job to control and coordinate all of us.”
On the other hand, I reference stories written by actual journalist and medical precessionals who search for truth.
In this case 25 Swedish doctors and scientists, who admit their mistake:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/sweden-hoped-herd-immunity-would-curb-covid-19-dont-do-what-we-did-its-not-working/ar-BB16ZEEv
Sweden has had less deaths per million than the UK, Spain, Belgium, Italy. All countries that locked down hard. It doesn’t make much difference if the guy analysing the data is not a medic. He says he has had a long career analysing data so perfectly capable of the task of comparing all cause mortality between the countries.
Sweden’s deaths are now back to normal. You should be asking why there is such bias in the mainstream media against their approach and why there has not been any real analysis.
Regardless of any amount of evidence @Mark B seems ready to contradict. I will wash my hands of this conversation wearing a mask while social distancing.
Peace
Don't forget the "Ignore" user feature, folks. It makes this thread a lot less frustrating
when the rest of the news is so frustrating. I'm also using "ignore" on many politicians
and news sources. It seems to help me realize when I can and cannot control.
140,000 dead = 1 Hiroshima