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@InfoCheck : while I agree that one needs to focus on finding a way though this and that the blame game might interfere...there is also the truth that in the U.S. power resides in the hands of people with no commitment to democracy or community or good governance. If they can use the crisis to maintain power they will. Their playbook for 3-1/2 years has been the blame game...and they have succeeded in getting their base to blame others for their misery.
The stakes are high. I fear for the future.
I believe the pandemic ultimately effects everyone as does the solution. Since the stakes are so high, people will be more motivated to cooperate. I can see it already starting to in the U.S.
The role of the news media — the Fourth Estate — is to hold power accountable, not to cooperate with it.
Pointing out the errors of the administration is the job of journalists. That goes with the territory. Ascribing any blame AT ALL to a paper when it points out Trump’s lies or the misdeeds of Senator Burr
is bizarre. Or am I reading you wrong?
x> @ExAsperis99 said:
I think point one is the most significant question people can ask themselves— what’s my motivation for taking a particular action and how will it resolve the problem?
Was wondering about you! Are you OK? Have you been tested?
Avoid stress, get sleep, pray if that helps. Good thoughts from Brooklyn headed your way.
Perhaps a good time to re-read Erich Maria, I always find him reassuring in times of trouble. Perspective I guess.
I do understand your sentiments but do your analysis again and call it the 'Responsibility Game'
also include the x-factor, that the president doesn't want to find common ground.
I don't think false equivalencies will help the public during this pandemic any more than you think the blame game will.
just to clarify what I'm saying cause I don't want to give anyone the wrong impression I'm not blaming the president for the coronavirus, I'm holding the president accountable for who he is, someone devoid of fact based governance.
hopeful of this as well
Wasn´t that revealed as fake news? At least thats what i read everywhere.
Anyway Iboprofen is the only thing i can take (in high dosis) if my back strikes again.
Certainly doesn't look as though it's been revealed that way at the counter here in the local Target which is utterly empty at the Tylenol end and busting with all the Advil you could want elsewhere....
@InfoCheck , I wish I could have your optimism.
It seems to me that the GOP’s bad faith is on full display. They label the virus the Chinese virus to rile upmtheor bae (good move —not — when we are reliant on China for our pharmaceuticals and much manufacturing). Barr tried (and is still trying) to get emergency powers to hold people in detention without need to show cause for 6 months. Senate wanting to funnel money to huge corporations without restrictions on how they use the money (which means they are likely to use the money for stock buybacks as they did in the previous stimulus package rather than disburse the money to employees or for capital expenditures), The Feds are limiting the help they give to the states most severely hit (I mean they are blue states after all).
The GOP has shown no sign of good faith in this crisis. They are using and will use it to try to consolidate power. They treat the American people as credulous and weak and will bleed us dry.
They knew it was a crisis for well over a month and portrayed people warning about a pandemic as perpetrating a hoax. And now they will use the crisis to move their agenda while people are focused on just getting through the day.
So, I see no sign of their coming together for the common good.
(Also full-speed ahead in trying to dismantle the ACA and reduce CDC budget.)
This is the venting thread... the chasm of political sides started long before this virus.
This thread would never find a solution for that. It's an outlet. If you're post is a vent it's coming from the chasm... watch out for the crossfire.
The other thread is for solutions.
THE BEST MOST CAN DO HERE IS WRITE/RAGE ABOUT THE WORLD BUT NOT ABOUT THESE COMMENTS. That's just counter to the spirit of group therapy where we support honest
expressions of pain.
@espiegel123 yep and people should feel neutral about it for what?.... no reason.
if people were half as upset about having a fake president as they are about hearing fake news the country would be leaps better off no matter what problems we were facing. I'm not in the denial of reality business, since when did it become ok to elect a pathological liar into the office of the presidency, I missed the memo.
I think I’ve given all of the positive advice I have in me in the other thread.
For me, all of the dissension (not the forum members per se) is the most disturbing so perhaps my desire to see a light at the end of the tunnel might put me at odds with some here. If people disagree with me that’s fine. I just want to clarify my thoughts for others who are asking. Perhaps the benefits of reaching bottom have been helpful to me so my anticipation of us experiencing a collective bottom during the pandemic makes me more hopeful for those who survive which I think most of us will.
I think the next month will be the worst. Very few countries recognized the devestating potential of the virus. I think the tide has turned. It is very sad that many will lose their lives because we were too complacent and disengaged to act upon the information the infectious disease experts had to offer.
@Max23, I wish you and your partner well and a quick recovery. You may never know if you have had it or not.
Now that Trump has declared himself a “wartime” president, Prez Bonespurs is using the fog of war to whip us into a frenzy of confusion. Now he has Deborah Birx preening before the cameras in her fashionable scarves, smiling and pivoting away from questions that question Trump’s accountability. Well, Birx is a powerful foe of infectious diseases. That is true. But if she and even Fauci are on their knees to this shamboling, but well practiced, con man.. well the world is truly in the dumpster. Trump is a master of bamboozlement and his legion of suck ups seem to enjoy eating the shit he delivers to the American people every day. No personal attacks here, of course. Just my personal trending thought on the subject.
I share your concerns and feel the sadness coming. We are all hoping it does not hit as at home but stay as a distance.
Place Yours Bets
A. More U.S. citizens die from virus
B. More U.S. citizens die from starvation
C. More U.S. citizens will die from civil disobedience
D. More U.S. citizens will die from self inflicted means
E. All of the above
The virus doesn't kill you directly... it causes many to get pneumonia.
If the pneumonia can be fought off you die from hypoxia (lack of oxygen causing organ death).
Lots of food.
I'm doubtful since the numbers in the extreme cases are single digit and they are too
dependent to riot.
I think everyone will fight through it.
I can't recall you writing humor before. Sometimes you just have to laugh it off.
You OK?
In but a blink everything changed, except one thing, humanity, if the boogeyman’s don’t get, the trauma will.
@InfoCheck, you left out rise of a police state. @McD, I like the optimism but these are uncharted waters. Plenty of food... now. Lots to be reapportioned from restaurants, etc. Empty stores, no problem. Empty barns and silos in six months? Especially with no migrant workers harvesting... as is proposed? Might require rationing.
Add in the election in November.
More will die in the US... probably. China is criticizing Italy and our lock down is loose goosey. Civil disobedience? Well, we got the gun out last night and checked the ammo. (I’ve never fired a gun in my life, but my GF has). And the Great Depression? Easily eclipsed by sheer numbers of people affected... maybe. Now where are all these trillions gonna be spent coming from? The offshore billionaires fund?
Will all this happen? Probably not in extremis. Probably not all at once. @InfoCheck lives in NY, I think.
I can certainly understand his thinking... more truth in that and not a lot of joke.
That’s why ‘the plan’ has to work in harmony with human nature, not against it, think of the devastation in third world countries, where society interacts at more close levels and has very poor healthcare.
I am putting my faith in a yet to be introduced, suave yet stammering Jeff Goldblum-esque character introduced early in the second act.
The WHO never made an official pronouncement to avoid ibuprofen. As I recall, in one its m daily press briefings last week a WHO official said they were looking into the French reports that ibuprofen caused problems and that people might want to use paracetamol instead. But they didn't issue an official statement. A day or two later, they issued official statement that there wasn't peer-reviewed data to indicate that ibuprofen is problematic.
I hope your recovery will be swift @Max23