OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

AudioGus

simonnowis

as @richardyot said "Money is just an abstraction, numbers in a ledger. Where we direct resources is a political choice."

true true

but at a deeper level ... who creates these abstractions? these numbers?

and what's with this usury/debt ... at the point of creation ?

how would you bring wealth exchange tokens into existence?

Δ or ◯ ? ?

and big up to @InfoCheck for their calm and ordered approach

ExAsperis99

@AudioGus said:

Why not just say U Mad? Why bring Elmo into it?

[Deleted User]

@simonnowis thank you. Spending many decades beating my head against the proverbial brick wall eventually led me to the realization that the brick wall was doing just fine while my head was worse for the wear.

I’m glad Michael has been willing to let this thread continue. Being able to rant for an audience with hopefully little blowback from your fellow ranters isn’t so easy to come across.

qryss

That ad showing the Trump lies on a calendar is a masterstroke. Really brings the lunacy home better than just reading the quotes.

LinearLineman

For those of you in the US who still think this is like the flu (not for the faint hearted)...

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

[Deleted User]

@AudioGus said:
45 minute test turnaround time...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/21/politics/fda-coronavirus-test/index.html

A lot better than 2-3 days.

I wish something like this had been available nationwide a month ago so they could have been doing a lot more testing to have a clearer idea of the who, where, and why of viral spread. It’s unfortunate the CDC plan to create their own test was flawed and created a delay for testing in the U.S. at the worst possible time. Once the crisis is under control, I hope there is an outside investigation of the CDC’s attempts to develop the test so that any chances for a repeat in the future can be minimized.

I really hope this test will be widely used to sample communities all over the country so epidemiologists can gains insights they can pass onto the rest of us so we can make safer and more informed decisions. Kudos to the company Cepheid and the FDA for recognizing the need to get this out there ASAP.

[Deleted User]

@LinearLineman said:
For those of you in the US who still think this is like the flu (not for the faint hearted)...

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

This is a reality check for everyone. I can see how this will weigh on the ICU staff having to treat these patients especially when they are running low on PPE and are putting their lives at risk by having to reuse masks beyond what they were designed for.

espiegel123

And while we are focusing on the pandemic, the DOJ prepares for the next step towards an authoritarian state:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

[Deleted User]

@espiegel123 said:
And while we are focusing on the pandemic, the DOJ prepares for the next step towards an authoritarian state:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

Proposed changes like these are too significant to be trying to sneak through during a crisis when they can’t get the scrutiny they deserve.

espiegel123

@InfoCheck said:

@espiegel123 said:
And while we are focusing on the pandemic, the DOJ prepares for the next step towards an authoritarian state:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

Proposed changes like these are too significant to be trying to sneak through during a crisis when they can’t get the scrutiny they deserve.

AG Barr's and Mitch McConnell's cynicism is of an almost diabolical beauty.

tony10000

Why we must flatten the curve: https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities

knewspeak

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:
@MonzoPro
Betting on the island to have better condition than mainland is dangerous.
if the bet goes wrong it drastically wipes the island.

Mainland shuts completely down. > @JeffChasteen said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@Sequencer1 said:

On March 2, CureVac's then-CEO Daniel Menichella attended a meeting at the White House to discuss coronavirus vaccine development with Trump and members of his coronavirus taskforce.

On March 11, the company announced Menichella would be replaced by company founder Ingmar Hoerr, without giving a reason why.

hihi, its pretty obvious what went on. EX-CEO went to make deals with orange man.
ex CEO was fired 9 days later.
Noone trusts the ethics of the orange man.

If trump has even tried this for the US alone he’s just booked his brain aeration appointment.

they say it was talks about an exclusive deal.
so he has tried it!

He certainly knows how to make enemies.

Making enemies and criminal progeny are his only two talents.

Tomorrow there is a talk in German Bundestag
One of the bulletin points is vaccine
I bet this will be pretty interesting

If I was the British Queen I would say: We are not amused.

She may say that in her Easter speech.

knewspeak

https://forum.audiob.us/post/quote/37803/Discussion_37803

Indeed

Clueless

A family member got tested, her husband had to bring the test at home (and he is in the risk group) and now she has to wait 4-5 days? She is working for the police.

knewspeak

@Clueless said:
A family member got tested, her husband had to bring the test at home (and he is in the risk group) and now she has to wait 4-5 days? She is working for the police.

The wait is terrible the symptoms may arrive before the result, best wishes

knewspeak

@knewspeak said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:
@MonzoPro
Betting on the island to have better condition than mainland is dangerous.
if the bet goes wrong it drastically wipes the island.

Mainland shuts completely down. > @JeffChasteen said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@Sequencer1 said:

On March 2, CureVac's then-CEO Daniel Menichella attended a meeting at the White House to discuss coronavirus vaccine development with Trump and members of his coronavirus taskforce.

On March 11, the company announced Menichella would be replaced by company founder Ingmar Hoerr, without giving a reason why.

hihi, its pretty obvious what went on. EX-CEO went to make deals with orange man.
ex CEO was fired 9 days later.
Noone trusts the ethics of the orange man.

If trump has even tried this for the US alone he’s just booked his brain aeration appointment.

they say it was talks about an exclusive deal.
so he has tried it!

He certainly knows how to make enemies.

Making enemies and criminal progeny are his only two talents.

Tomorrow there is a talk in German Bundestag
One of the bulletin points is vaccine
I bet this will be pretty interesting

If I was the British Queen I would say: We are not amused.

She may say that in her Easter speech.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1258557/Queen-Elizabeth-II-news-coronavirus-latest-updates-public-address

Tick, tock, tick, tock, lock, unlock, tick, tock.

NemanzgbKaj

As if the pandemic wasn’t enough, an earthquake, 5,3 on the Richter scale hit my hometown (Zagreb, Croatia) early this morning. While only yesterday police were patroling the streets and ordering everyone to stay insde, today the whole city was outside in panic, fear and no 1 meter distance between them.

I was lucky to escape the Croatian capital yesterday, just moments before they colsed of all the islands, so Im enjoying a beutiful view of the sea while all my friends are in panic. Mixed feelings, being glad I got out and feeling like s*** at the same time.

Here is a pic of the historic gothic cathedral after loosing a tower tip this morning

SilverK

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

Clueless

@knewspeak said:

@Clueless said:
A family member got tested, her husband had to bring the test at home (and he is in the risk group) and now she has to wait 4-5 days? She is working for the police.

The wait is terrible the symptoms may arrive before the result, best wishes

Thank you.

espiegel123

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

Or you could look at what I posted, remarkably similar?

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

Or you could look at what I posted, remarkably similar?

Perhaps I misunderstood what you posted. It sounded like you were saying, after the lockdown ends life goes back to how it was before lockdown and then you start lockdowns again when infections start spiking.

Did I misinterpret?

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

Or you could look at what I posted, remarkably similar?

Perhaps I misunderstood what you posted. It sounded like you were saying, after the lockdown ends life goes back to how it was before lockdown and then you start lockdowns again when infections start spiking.

Did I misinterpret?

If you care to trace my posts back you’ll find exactly what I said, prior to the hammer and dance article was posted, lock, unlock, lock, unlock, lockdown is lock btw.

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

Or you could look at what I posted, remarkably similar?

Perhaps I misunderstood what you posted. It sounded like you were saying, after the lockdown ends life goes back to how it was before lockdown and then you start lockdowns again when infections start spiking.

Did I misinterpret?

If you care to trace my posts back you’ll find exactly what I said, prior to the hammer and dance article was posted, lock, unlock, lock, unlock, lockdown is lock btw.

I repeat my question. By “unlock”, do you mean going back to how things were before lockdowns started? That is what it sounded like to me...

Could you clarify, please. “Lock, unlock....” could be interpreted many very different ways.

One interpretation is what the British government seemed to initially propose which was to have a series of outbreaks to build up with periods of lockdowns between them with the goal of developing herd immunity without overwhelming the system.

I had the impression from what you wrote that this was what you were talking about.

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@SilverK said:

@espiegel123 said:
@McD: it is really important to realize that the IC report is based on the worst-case assumptions and that all the heavyweight epidemiologists have cautioned that when the holes in our current data are filled in more that it might look very different. One needs to be careful about being over-literal as there are things we don't know yet that might make things look less dire.

So what your saying here is don’t panic , wash your hands and wait until all the facts are in ? 🤔

No, not all. Aggressive social distancing and hygiene. Hand washing by itself is not effective.

What you are quoting above is taken out of context.

If you look at what has happened around the world, endimg the epidemic. requires stopping viral transmission via social distancing and aggressive testing and isolation of people exposed to the virus.

Did you ever read the articles to which we directed you?

Then lock, unlock, lock, unlock......

Maybe I am misinterpreting your comments. If by unlock you mean back to the way things were before. I don't think so.

From what I have read, it seems that based on what we know (which is subject to change as we get better data and possibly new treatments and hospital capacity issues are solved), it is imperative to keep viral transmission low. So, lockdowns can end when testing capacity is available and hospitals are functioning well. But that doesn't mean business as usual. It means still maintaining social distancing and limiting some kinds of gatherings, and tracking sick people and isolating them and testing anyone with whom they have had contact.

If you haven't read Thomas Pueyo"s article The Hammer and The Dance, please do. It explains why we shouldn't just lockdown and go back to the way we lived before.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

And read his earlier article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

They are dense and worth reading twice.

Or you could look at what I posted, remarkably similar?

Perhaps I misunderstood what you posted. It sounded like you were saying, after the lockdown ends life goes back to how it was before lockdown and then you start lockdowns again when infections start spiking.

Did I misinterpret?

If you care to trace my posts back you’ll find exactly what I said, prior to the hammer and dance article was posted, lock, unlock, lock, unlock, lockdown is lock btw.

I repeat my question. By “unlock”, do you mean going back to how things were before lockdowns started? That is what it sounded like to me...

Could you clarify, please. “Lock, unlock....” could be interpreted many very different ways.

One interpretation is what the British government seemed to initially propose which was to have a series of outbreaks to build up with periods of lockdowns between them with the goal of developing herd immunity without overwhelming the system.

I had the impression from what you wrote that this was what you were talking about.

Unlock is a degree of normality, but first the infection rate has to be reset, via lockdown, it keeps infection levels manageable and keeps the economy ALIVE. How many times do I have to state this, lock, unlock ie Hammer, Dance.

robosardine

@NemanzgbKaj said:
As if the pandemic wasn’t enough, an earthquake, 5,3 on the Richter scale hit my hometown (Zagreb, Croatia) early this morning. While only yesterday police were patroling the streets and ordering everyone to stay insde, today the whole city was outside in panic, fear and no 1 meter distance between them.

I was lucky to escape the Croatian capital yesterday, just moments before they colsed of all the islands, so Im enjoying a beutiful view of the sea while all my friends are in panic. Mixed feelings, being glad I got out and feeling like s*** at the same time.

Here is a pic of the historic gothic cathedral after loosing a tower tip this morning

Dreadful news. I hope the pain passes quickly and something good eventually emerges.

[Deleted User]

Saw part of Trudeau’s press conference today. It wasn’t a circus like President Trump’s have been.😔