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I've got family in farming here in the US. They claim to loose money every year, but are still able to drive brand new 100k GMC duallys, keep their million $ inventory of Deere farm equipment, pay their illegal farmhands. Strange.
...and within 5 years, another uncle of mine went from making $12 an hour delivering bakery goods in a small town to owning 3 big rigs delivering lumber all over the east coast. And no, he doesn't deal meth. He always brings up the Chevy C8 he has on order every time we chat. Strange.
Americans are a very diverse and unique people to be sure. I think staying a home with nothing to do is probably one of the toughest things you can try to get them to do. I think the governors will have a lot of say into how all of this goes down. Some states will be harder hit and slower to start back up. Each governor will have to decide what’s going to happen for their state which will involve very high stakes decisions.
It’s also not clear exactly what’s going to happen and perhaps a significant portion of it is a psychological exercise in trying to reassure the American people and the markets.
If other big cities go the way of New York, which seems very probable, the restart up time will be a lot slower and sporadic. It might be directly related to trying to support the viral recovery effort, or to keep restaurants and retail stores going by developing hygienic delivery services. There might be some initiative to increase distance learning by subsidies, at cost, or other methods to provide students with computers or tablets. There’s likely to be a million different ideas thrown out there to see if they stick or not. Part of the approach to managing the pandemic could very well revolve around trying to transition people to focus on how to manage health risks in a community with more information about the prevalence of the virus and its effects versus staying at home indefinitely and not knowing if they have the virus and will pass it onto others while being bombarded by stories about how many people are and will soon be dying.
They are exactly the same here as well, and they even claim benefits too. And they don’t half like to whinge at the first sign of things not going there way. Not hearing too much from them at the moment though- they must be double busy.
All my relatives here in farming are overweight though. Yours too? Farming is hard work, long hours in the heat, so how can that be? Illegals doing all the work? Yup.
Yeah, mine complain all the time.
It is sad that in the U.S. many confuse “the economy” with “the interests of large wealth holders”. Over the last several decades, wealth has become increasingly concentrated in a pitifully small number of people whose interests are divergent from the overwhelming majority of the population. They have an outsized influence on policy (particularly in this administration) and have no sense of social responsibility.
To them, “the economy” is always about maximizing near-term personal profits. They gave themselves huge tax cuts a couple of years ago that massively increased our deficit. They are not interested in contributing to the nation’s welfare.
Because their interest is maximizing near-term profit, they view a near-term slump in the economy as the end of the world. They want the government to cover THEIR losses at the expense of everyone else. They aren’t interested in investing in the people from whole their wealth was derived. They aren’t interested in investing in a plan that would make us safer but cost a lot in the near-term.
They should be pushing for massive spending now to bringing testing online and increasing agility of the healthcare system and putting into place a healthcare system that doesn’t bankrupt people if they get sick or there is a pandemic.
Sadly, they’ve been great at marketing. So, that people don’t understand how different their interests are from those of the vast majority of people.
Getting the infrastructure in place to make easing back to normalcy won’t kill the economy in the long-term. It might even open doors to future prosperity.
Of course there are a lot of farmers that make plenty, but often it is also supplemented from non farm income. Saying all farmers are millionaires just is not true from what I have read.
https://www.fb.org/market-intel/net-farm-income-projected-to-drop-to-12-year-low
So in the case of US farmers, money definitely doesn't buy happiness though. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/why-are-americas-farmers-killing-themselves-in-record-numbers
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/07/farm-d07.html
etc....
Never said all farmers are millionaires. My family in farming have been in the red for years, losing money every season, yet still live very well. They are not millionaires. Times were tough a few years ago, my aunt was forced to sell her horse stable.
Suicide. Tough subject. Why? Could be lots of reasons. Big farma or another industry attempts to buy land at pennies on the dollar, farmer says no, big company makes farmer's life a living hell. If you're an organic farmer, it's worse. Best bet is join them. Plus high levels of alcoholism and drug use. Family wants to leave to be city dwellers, inability to adapt to that environment, other inherited issues....
Yes, tough subject. Not being insensivitve on purpose, but active duty military and retired veteran's suicide rate is higher.
Those stats include hobby farms. And if you own assets worth more than a million dollars then you’re a millionaire. Professional farmers typically have incomes in 6 figures.
But yes, like any business, some will be run poorly. This is a problem with family businesses.
Bear in mind that the average farmer is someone who inherited millions in farm land and assets. No different from someone who inherited their dads factory or car dealership.
The millions of $ in farm equipment is a tax write off for most smart farmers.
The information in the article @mungbeans posted says otherwise. Both groups are under appreciated. Farmers get virtually no coverage whatsoever about their plight.
Here’s a rant. Nancy Pelosi kills the bill being worked on in the Senate in a bipartisan way, to introduce this bullshit.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6817711/Updated-House-Bill.pdf
It’s full of stuff totally unrelated to corona virus. Millions for corporate diversity, federal bargaining rights, $15 an hour min wage, airline emissions offsets, and same-day voting and other special interests - with future consequences of huge regulatory costs for businesses and government.
Congratulations Democratic leaders! You cynically decided to let no crisis go to waste by building the Green New Deal in to a bill designed support the people during a crisis and hope we don’t realize you are sacrificing our health and well being for your increased control over our life and liberty.
No wonder former Democrats like myself are continuing to walk away in droves. You should be ashamed.
I forwarded those articles to my farmer aunt, she's a big gossip and hears and tells everything. I talk to her often, never heard a peep about that.
Best decision she said they've ever made was switching to farming corn for ethanol fuel, non edible.
Lots of farmers, even the owners, have no education and no experience in anything but farming. So if they fail, their options are limited. Insensitive? Sure. And it's strange that there are lots of life insurance shops in those rural areas.
What do you expect? It's the biggest bailout in US history. It's going to contain lots of riders. Pork Barrel Politics is the norm. And has been for a very very very very very very very very long time. Know your history.
Yes, I suspect a million Americans will die (I have a fair chance of being one of them). Yes, the People are to blame - We are the ones that elected the federal elected officials: Congress and the President. This is exactly what Americans have been voting for. Too many are just too short-sighted and spiteful to realize it. Or care. I think America will be WORSE than Italy by far. Check back in a month and we'll see. I sure as hell hope I'm way the fick wrong.
But, at least if the Republicans and Trump have their way, we'll bail out the cruise industry, among others. Which is awesome, considering NONE OF THEM fly the US flag - they're all foreign companies. At least this way they'll also have bonus cash from the American taxpayers to lobby for even fewer regulations and bigger CEO bonuses.
For most of America, this whole corona virus thing is still just an "oh, it's on TV" moment, where everything is happening "out there", not "right here". It's easy to ignore for most. That'll sadly, painfully, brutally change over the coming month or two.
Ommmmmmmmmm.....
I guess I expect more from our politicians. I’m a sorry you don’t!
when did 'same day voting' become a special interest item?... If we could get people as mad at voter suppression as they are at same day voting we might stand a chance at having a real go at inequality hubba hubba...
It would be helpful if you recognized that America is not a monolith. Some parts of the country are not going to follow Trump’s lead, some will. Don’t treat America as a monolith any more than Europe is a monolith. California has a larger economy and population than most European countries, and what is being done here is different from other parts of the country.
Don’t judge all the U.S. as the same. And understand that different states have had very different policies. Some regions have been sheltered in place for a while. Some not at all.
NYC seems heading to a different level of crisis for many other places. Who knows where states like Florida are headed.
The US government is a mess, but one must also recognize that it is as diverse as Europe in many ways.
It doesn’t have anything to do with this crisis? Shouldn’t our leaders be able to debate these issues transparently without having them secretly shoved in where no one knows it’s being passed? We need to move to single issue bills. By the way I’m currently pissed at the Democrats on this one but I don’t trust anyone on the political spectrum to act in a way that isn’t totally compromised by special interests.
It's been like that forever. The last 10 years are no different, despite what the media says.
Pelosi should retire, as should McConnell. But the F-18 fighter pilot/retired Marine lady will beat him easily if he decides to run again later this year.
as far as rich farmers go, this is America we're talking about and I'm certain that some of the resilience of the undocumented workers that work for them and us will have surely rubbed off on them after all of this time... I think they'll be ok, farmers have a good work ethic and they are dreamers after all!
I hear you, did you have a gander at the first iteration they came out with, it was a doozy, I think the only way for them to get the other them to take out all that crap was to put in their own crap and then get everybody's crap taken out. We'll see
I’ve been really busy (and stressed) by a number of things and honestly haven’t kept up. My blood pressure feels a little low so I should probably go dig those up
We’re they ones passed for earlier phases or earlier drafts of the one they are trying pass now?
no it was the one the Gop did on it's own..before they let the treacherous liberals see it lol
one thing is for sure if we can't live together we'll die together, in the end the people get the government they/we deserve.