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Sen. Rand Paul calls for more widespread testing. The DPA should be used to expand the testing ASAP so that everyone can be tested.
They need to crank out as many N95 masks and respirators as possible too so people can go about getting groceries without fearing they’ll become infected or spread the infection to others.
If the Trump administration is serious about trying to get the economy going sooner than later, they need to listen to healthcare infectious disease specialists and do it in a way that is viable.
Trying to boost consumer confidence by proclaiming the pandemic is under control will backfire. If their economic jump start accelerates viral spread, I predict there will be riots in the country. If an economic relief package isn’t forth coming, there will be concerns about riots due to fears and the reality that many people will not have food or be evicted. The governors will do what they can to head this off, but it’s not clear to me what they can do to head this off. States will quickly run out of money and become impotent. In an increasingly chaotic and hopeless environment, people will be under increased stress. At some point they’ll reach their breaking point and many will unleash their anger in a violent way. There is a lot of pent up anger in our country and a failure to demonstrate enough concern about their lives will unleash it. We’ve seen riots in our country over events that weren’t nearly as widespread in their impact.
The tensions between healthcare realities and economic concerns magnified by the existing political divisions have resulted in a slow response to the virus. At this point it still seems to me that there’s not enough consensus to reverse this trend so the effects of the virus will spread death far and wide as more and more of the public are directly impacted by the virus and our bungled response to it. Being unprepared and still acting as if we got this will not cut it. It’s likely both the economists, healthcare professionals, policy makers, and the public will fail to take effective action to avoid the tsunami of death which will sweep across the country in the coming months. Some of the deaths will be due to the virus but many more will be due to the cascade of effects it will have on a country woefully unprepared to address it.
The disconnect between policy makers and the everyday realities of many Americans will fuel their rage as their dysfunctional response to the pandemic continues to unfold.
THE GREAT STUPIDITY
I think history will look back on these events with wonder at the imbecility of Homo sapiens. Whatever your “belief” as to the best way to proceed, we still must deal with the “Darwin Award” mentality so many of us are capable of evincing. Case in point...
In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but has not yet been proven effective against the novel coronavirus.
That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals that they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people.
“I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, ‘Hey, isn’t that the stuff they’re talking about on TV?’” the wife, who was not named, told the network. “We were afraid of getting sick.”
The couple reportedly poured some of the fish tank cleaning chemical, chloroquine phosphate, into soda and drank it. They hoped it would stave off a coronavirus infection.
“Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Hospital spokeswoman said in a statement Monday.
They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the hospital.
“We understand that people are trying to find new ways to prevent or treat this virus, but self-medicating is not the way to do so,” Daniel Brooks, Banner Poison and Drug Information Center medical director, said in the hospital’s statement.
Lord God, save us from ourselves.
@infocheck: it is painful and hard to accept. At the federal level, bad decisions are likely to keep happening. The pandemic is a crisis in the U.S. because the people with the power to do something are incompetent. The first cases in the U.S. coincide with the first cases in South Korea. South Korea had been paying attention and their leadership acted quickly to avert calamity. Our leadership dithered away and told people that this was no big deal. We didn’t need to do anything. They didn’t mobilize to make sure that massive testing could begin. They didn’t do any of the things that Japan and Taiwan were doing. And to make things worse, they lied to the American people in a way that made them less receptive to news of the pandemic when it was obvious that do nothing was not the right answer.
During that period (and remember that the intelligence community was telling them that pandemic was happening), they did decide to try to use it to ram up support for the wall with Mexico which was worse than ludicrous.
The same incompetent people (that confuse the economy with the stock market) that ignored the epidemiologists then are ignoring them now. The U.S. has not mobilized to help the states deal with this.
There is no reason to expect that they CAN make good decisions. People in power now are not there because of competence. They are there because of loyalty. For three years, they have made it clear to government scientists that loyalty to Trump is paramount. Speaking in contradiction to him puts your job at risk.
I wish this were a matter of opinion, but, sadly, it is a matter of public record. It really is.
I suspect Trump (or perhaps it is McConnell who has figured it out ) thinks (and he could be right), it is to his advantage to not step in. The hardest hit states are blue states. He does not want to spend federal dollars to help people in WA, CA, NY, ILL. He wants us to suffer so that we will blame the people in power here. When red states start suffering , he’ll step in and be their savior. He knows that he can get re-elected by a minority of the population.
The nation is led by a man who succeeded in driving casinos into bankruptcy and was bailed out by his enormously wealthy father and shady foreign banks rather than through any business smarts.
This is a man who continued to express the belief that falsely convicted teenagers should have been executed long after their innocence was established as fact.
This is a man who keeps forcing his chosen people out when they speak out against his incompetence..and says that they are losers. And he pays no price. His followers don’t ask “how is it that he keeps hiring and firing losers?” I mean anyone with a modicum of sense knows that if you keep hiring idiots, the fault is with the person doing no the hiring NOT with the idiot that got hired.
Our only hope for averting disaster is either luck (I.e. the worst case estimates are wrong and the virus is susceptible to warmer temperatures) or the competence of regional officials.
The trick to getting the economy back on track is getting the infrastructure in place for massive scale testing and fixing hospital capacity issues and resolving PPE and ventilator/respirator shortages, and regulations for quarantining and contact tracing. When those are in place, we can move forward. The federal government is not moving quickly on that direction...because they are led by a person who believes he is an expert at everything.
Fun Fact: The current U.S. senate majority represents about 47% of the U.S. population. The minority represents 53% of the population.
A little knowledge and fear are a dangerous combination.
This right here is the primary reason he should never have been elected. The man is an expert at persuasion. But that only barely got him through an election and 3 years of presidency. Now that we have a genuine massive crisis, we are in trouble.
For those who wonder what actual experts are saying about what needs to happen (and which can happen) to get back to a more normal less-locked down state:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1242232846900756482.html
The lede:
I’m not at all sure why you decide to include me in this post rather than not.
@InfoCheck wrote: "I’m not at all sure why you decide to include me in this post rather than not."
You have posted about there being evidence that the government was starting to work together for a positive good and that we should refrain from criticizing the government while they work on this.
I have been thinking about your optimism and wanted to post this as food for thought.
0:44 lol
I think India will be hit the hardest but no one will talk about it.
@audiogus
Perfect backdrop.
@linearlineman That's sad to hear about the AZ couple in their 60s.
Speaking of cascading effects...
AFAIK, the FDA clinical trials for a new experimental drug takes an average of 10 years, but what the pharma company does is hire a private medical team that specializes in reducing that to 1-3 years.
But if the drug has already been trialed for a completely different medical condition, it shouldn't take 1-3 years.
Scary that the president (and the pandemic) has the power to shorten the clinical trials even less.
I believe the DPA has provisions for that as well. But then the Trump administration would have even more power.
(I worked for a NIH contractor who managed their medical grants, but I worked in tech, not medicine, so not too sure if things have changed.)
@Sequencer1, I don’t feel sadness about these guys... just stupefaction. The Koi pond is the kicker. These infernal status symbols are prevalent amongst the affluent. So, I am guessing, these are not poor folk who rely on koi for their dinners. They have enough dough and intelligence to maintain their koi pond with all the appropriate chemicals. They were not sick. They swallowed a possibly bullshit theory along with their koi supplements. Odds are there was a warning... Do not ingest!
I don’t feel sadness, I feel anger, cause to my mind these jerks are emblematic of the people who are making life and death decisions for millions of people. No such thing as climate change, smoking doesn’t kill and transmission of disease overblown. Back to work wage slaves!
I feel sad, but only because it reminds me one of the most renowned psychologists in the area where I used to live. After work every day, he would de-stress by tending to his Koi pond. A while later he went insane. They traced it back to some bacteria in his Koi pond that he ingested.
Koi ponds are like the Japanese Zen gardens - not just rich people have them. Some Asians have 'em to de-stress from life. Even in their apartments.
But I get your point. It could have been some ignorant selfish rich couple. But they're now dead (wife close to it) from what Trump told them.
@LinearLineman I don't think the president can be sued, but the other agencies that serve him can be! Imagine if that happened!
I really don’t have a problem with or feel an obligation to justify what I’ve posted on this rant thread as for me, it’s primarily a way for me to be able to express myself and vent.
At times I do like to clarify what I was trying to convey in a post, so I’ll focus on your statement, “we should refrain from criticizing the government while they work on this.” I don’t believe I’ve ever said that; however, I can see how some of the things I’ve posted might lead some to believe that was my intention. My thinking is that my discussion of and opposition to the blame game might be the source of this interpretation. For me, I can accept how people need to vent in the current situation and especially on this thread. I think there is plenty of room for improvement and that many decisions were made that resulted in some very negative consequences we’re facing now. I believe we need to focus on solutions at this point and therefore believe we should express our anger and then refocus on how we can resolve the problems we’re up against. First and foremost I believe we should focus on how what we do may either move us towards or away from resolution. Some might interpret this as a prohibition against criticism of government efforts. I do not claim to know the answers and leave it to others to decide if whatever I’m on about has merit or not. I also believe people will ultimately need to decide what sorts of steps they can take to resolve the crisis. Some may believe they shouldn’t criticize the governments efforts. I am not one of them. I like to give credit where credit is due and to also point out what sorts of things could have been done differently which may have resulted in a better outcome.
In a rant thread, I don’t expect people to be focused on solutions. My particular frustration is how dissension interferes with the collaborative process and the blame game is a frequent behavior when people or groups can’t reconcile their differences which I find tends to reinforce the dissension in a counter productive way. I would also say that my blame game comments were directed at government representatives, business people, media outlets, and the public.
On this thread I believe I’ve posted a wide range of things from the absurd, to how I can fix the world, to very pessimistic fears about what will happen in the coming months. It was therefore kind of surprising that you characterized me as optimistic.
@LinearLineman - I'm figuring alcohol played a part in this.
Is it the picture of the storm trooper in the background? Yeah that is quite ironic given the rest of the context of the video.
(USA guy here). I talked to some upper-middleclass acquaintances yesterday, they're in their 70s, from the US.
The first thing the wife said was 'I'm so glad we sold the condo!' (Now they can't kick out their tenant if they can't pay the rent, due to new local government legislation due to Covid-19.) I sold them that condo a few years ago, it was their vacation home. It was my 1 and only home.
One of the first things the husband did was complain about the tanking stock market and how much money he lost.
Nothing about the sick, the dead...
It's naive, but...sometimes, for some people, when their entire lives revolve around work, money, stocks, and the economy, after some time...they lose focus.
When the source of the problem is ongoing compounding, terrible decisions (which appears to be the case), part of finding the solution is finding the people responsible for the terrible decisions and getting them out of the way. You literally CANNOT solve the problem without finding the person responsible and removing them.
That isn’t a “blame game”..it is part of solving the problem. I think it is a critical part of finding and implementing a solution.
True, you don’t need to justify what you have put out there, and it should be ok for me to disagree with you and express why.
I feel like it is a valuable part of dialog and searching for truth and searching for solutions to share a different way of analyzing things when we see something we disagree with.
Sorry, meant to add that to my post above.
New York governor says that DPA should be used to ramp up production of ventilators as due to the exponential growth in the number of cases means they anticipate needing 30,000 more ventilators rather than the 400 designated for New York by the federal government. This is another example of how the U.S. response isn’t sufficient to save lives.
And governors and public health experts have been calling on the Feds to do this for weeks..as well as to use DPA to rapidly manufacture the masks and other PPE we need.
Trump does not want federal dollars to aid states where he has been criticized. And he even said it out loud this morning...but he didn’t need to say it out loud as his actions have made it obvious.
Disclaimer
If any of my posts on this thread appear to be positive, helpful, optimistic or advocate for a course of action, it’s purely coincidental and a side effect of my ranting. It’s keeping me off of the streets. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.
This is the way it's shaping up:
TRUMP TO BLUE STATES: DROP DEAD.
"It's a two-way street," Trump says of governors asking for help. "They have to treat us well also."
He is a sociopath.
It is time for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. He wants to reopen the country by April 12. His acolytes are calling for 2 percent of the population to die in order to "save" the economy (and 2 percent, or 7.5 MILLION people dying won't have a negative effect on the economy...).
American genocide. Everyone was afraid it would be foreigners, but it’s his own people he’s going to kill.
Interesting article about how the outbreak has been handled in Germany and reasonable speculation about why the number of fatalities has been so much lower than in most other places:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate/2020/03/24/76ce18e4-6d05-11ea-a156-0048b62cdb51_story.html#click=https://t.co/sIlbyqAozV