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An interesting scenario presents itself. The countries that are managing the best are those whose people culturally allow themselves to comply, submit to authority, and do as they’re told. The ones with people who aren’t mature enough to have developed this behaviour, such as youths of the western world, are going to face the most opposition.
I note that some nation states are much more congruous and ‘together’ at this point, with some of their first wave indicating downward or at least stabilising infection and death numbers. Others are just on the foothills of an exponential ramp. Some of the culturally immature populations are not achieving any coherency at all, and are likely in the very near future to reach civil disobedience levels that test their nation state and compete in energy with the requirement to treat the pandemic, while the pandemic rages unhindered.
It occurs to me that an aggressor nation state at that point could quite easily attack one of the more immature nation states that is wrapped up in itself and struggling badly, falling apart. It would be a cheap and easy win, to engage in a large military attack of another temporarily distracted nation state, and take it over by destroying it while it is down. Engaging in an actual war during a worldwide large scale pandemic would be relatively easy for a nation on the rise from recovering, while another large disorganised immature nation is preoccupied with falling apart by its own means.
"Easter is a very special day for me"
-President Trump
lol
The Spanish flu was running rampant during WWI so it’s been done before. Many leaders certainly enjoy being able to target another country as the cause of the country’s problem and having more people to conquer and lead might be something they look forward to.
Number of people with Covid-19 (as of mid-Tuesday 24 March):
Italy: ~70,000
France: 20,149
Germany: 31,150
Death rates of people with Covid-19:
Italy: 9.5%
France: 4.3%
Germany: 0.4%
The biggest reason for the difference (in Germany's substantially lower number of deaths), infectious disease experts say, is Germany’s work in the early days of its outbreak to track, test and contain infection clusters.
it's more concerted and insidious than that... there is a segment of the population that has been indoctrinated into believing anything certain people say if they are a certain pigmentation, political persuasion, and most important have hatred for others... it's very well documented. The rise in home schooling (not a bad thing on it's own, but under this context), the rise in guns, the rise in attacks on educational institutions (in reality attack on co-mingling) and sharing of culture, the rise of the alternative truth and attacks on Facts, the attacks on New York values and San Francisco values etc.., the rise in attacks on the concept of bettering ones own education i.e. over in scranton town not bettering your education is a badge of honor you should be able to barely graduate highschool and still get a job that can support a family of 24 and I'll be dammed if anybody gonna tell me I need more education, skills, or training to get a better job or to improve my lifestyle for my family, but of course these same people that tout a meager education as a sign of their level of patriotism are the same people who scream get an education at those inner city 'others'... you know the ones, they should get a better education and theyyy should get more skill so theyyy can get better jobs and while over in scranton town we huff and puff and say with great pride that we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore..... those 'others, you know the ones' .. they aren't patriotic enough, they need to stop kneeling , and they need to stop complaining about their economic plight, ... you know the same economic plight that makes us 'real Americans' when we complain about it.
a crack head is a thug but a methhead is a victim.
it's this mentality that lead to the cocoon mentality that lead to those people drinking that poison, the same mentality that allows people to accept Love Mitt Romney care, Until Obama adopts it and then they hate it (he does wear tan suits and eat arugula after all), and then when Trump announces Trump care which is nonexistent they love it again. Half of these people don't even care if they themselves don't even have any healthcare just as long as 'those people, you know the ones' don't get healthcare, it'll all be worth the sacrifice.
it's this kind of blind, hateful trust that leads us to where we are today, the kind of sick trust that cuts off the nose to spite the face.
@kobamoto Does that commercial fit your post?
btw, your post reminded me of growing up in the South as the only mixed-race kid. One of the smallest too, good thing my Dad taught me how to kick ass. But I'm in my late 40s now, and still look over my shoulder, just cannot shake that feeling. Vicous cycle.
Re Mitt Romney/Obamacare, same thing happened with Global Warming, it switched sides a bunch of times.
Good one @kobamoto! I think you may have resolved everything. 😘
those commercials were always funny and always carried a grain of disturbing truth.
not only global warming but at this point there is almost an all out assault on science period, and look at in addition to healthcare, science, how they've switched sides on national defense/ and foreign policy... other presidents would have been tarred and feathered if they kowtowed to Putin and Kim jung the way this President has. They would have been called traitors and showed to the Whitehouse door heck where are all of the people who feigned the outrage over Barack and his wife Michelle giving each other a 'fist bump' Now?
We are obviously all going to rise or fall together as it should be because that is the very nature of nature itself no matter how divisive some want to be there is nothing they can do about us all being connected but just don't BS me while we are on our way down.
damn now the movie 'Escape from New York ' is taking on a stark new meaning
all snake wants is to get tested... a Pepsi, and some ventilators
I know what you're thinking and it's OK @LinearLineman.
Snake Plisken arouses me as well. We're only human.
Hmmmm....
About 130,000 closed cases have resulted in almost 19,000 deaths.... around 15% mortality. (Worldometer)
READ THE ROOM EXASPERIS....
Hmmm....
But you know that these are figures, today and forever in the future, that will be haggled over. My friend Cain had it, didn't get tested, sweated it out, was never opened or closed in the stats column. My friend Abel only found out through an antibody test here in 2022 that he had it and didn't even know it. Not opened and not closed. For all of that there ARE going to be so many PhDs across many fields written on the global slicing and dicing this tragedy will uniquely afford the researchers.
@JohnnyGoodyear ... what is disputable about 19,000 being about 15% of 130,000? Are you saying those figures are incorrect?
I forced the Kid to watch the first Snake the other day. Of course he is beyond exhausted with all representations of parental art and culture, but languidly said of this: Must be like what you say pantomime is back in England...
Come now, gentleman, I know there's some mistake
How forgetful I'm becoming now you fixed your business straight .
Those are indeed stats. But what do they mean? Numbers do things. But how well do those numbers reflect reality? Most people think they are nowhere near reality. Reality is somewhere out there - maybe “better”, maybe worse. One more horrible thing is that nobody knows, and won’t know. We should probably operate as if those numbers accurately represent reality, as that’d be prudent. But we could be way wrong. Hopefully in the direction of over acting (note I’m.l not saying overreacting).
There are some articles that explain why closed cases is not the correct way in an ongoing epidemic to measure lethality. Also worth noting that with such incomplete testing, closed cases is a number of dubious value for judging lethality.
For example, in the U.S., the number of open cases is off by at least an order of magnitude from what I've read.
Also, deaths from coronavirus due to lack of resources says more about the healthcare system than the virus. That is one of the reasons why the lethality figures in Germany are so different from other places.
Agreed. Still, does it not indicate something greater than 2%?
No, maybe it’s another symptom of Covid-19? Better get tested ASAP.
Symptom of covid19: lose your sense of smell.
lol, look at the 22:05 mark
I still don’t see it, I may have just been wasting my time hunkered down here for the last three weeks subsisting on nothing but pork ‘n beans, Cheetos, and toilet paper.