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Ailerom

@GovernorSilver I think I'm going to buy this. Hopefully it explains symbols. I know a few but not all. And hopefully I can find a decent app to read the pdf. Thanks for this. I don't really hope to become a jazz master but I'm always looking for new perspectives and ways of thinking about playing guitar.

boberto

@LinearLineman said:
Bird with strings and harp. Unbeaten combination of two different worlds.

Def a legend, but I'd also put Clifford Brown with strings up there:

LinearLineman

@GovernorSilver that’s a great site. Never heard of these... tho I have heard of “Real Book”. I got my first fake book around 1963. It, too cost $50 (so, what... $150 in today’s dollars? Totally illegal! Got me ready for weed.

royor

This popped up on my appsliced notices today

Pixelmator Pro (Desktop) currently on sale for 50% off.. not sure how long the sale is.. 🤷‍♂️ and this is Canadian price..

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@boberto said:

@LinearLineman said:
Bird with strings and harp. Unbeaten combination of two different worlds.

Def a legend, but I'd also put Clifford Brown with strings up there:

I see your Bird and Clifford, and raise you my second-favorite jazz with strings album (Marian McPartland is my numbah one):

GovernorSilver

@LinearLineman said:
@GovernorSilver that’s a great site. Never heard of these... tho I have heard of “Real Book”. I got my first fake book around 1963. It, too cost $50 (so, what... $150 in today’s dollars? Totally illegal! Got me ready for weed.

The gentleman who recommend the Randy Vincent books, funnily enough, is hard core about students learning all tunes by ear and/or in person from veteran musos. No Real Books allowed in his presence. He is a pro guitarist who worked for THD at one time. Back in his THD days he was all about 3-notes per string shred metal playing. Now he is a big time jazz evangelist. While he may not care for Real Books, he enthusiastically promotes the instructional books by Vincent, Barry Finnerty, and Mark Levine. I like the Randy Halberstadt book - neat bag of tips and tricks for piano students.

I am merely a dilettante, so I don't mind seeing jazz lead sheets from Real Books, apps, or whatever, but I've learned to always verify the sheet music against what people are playing, using my ear.

McD

@GovernorSilver said:
The gentleman who recommend the Randy Vincent books, funnily enough, is hard core about students learning all tunes by ear and/or in person from veteran musos. No Real Books allowed in his presence. He is a pro guitarist who worked for THD at one time.

It took me a good bit of research to figure out what THD is...
http://www.thdelectronics.com/

Back in his THD days he was all about 3-notes per string shred metal playing.

I recall watching a Frank Gambale VHS video where he applied the three note approach
to pentatonic and blazed away using speed picking where each 3 note pattern ends on
a down stroke to get to the next note up the scale quickly or an upstroke to go back down the scale like greased inlightning. The stretch in the fingers required to span 6 frets per string for hours to build up speed just looked painful and potentially damaging.

Now he is a big time jazz evangelist. While he may not care for Real Books, he enthusiastically promotes the instructional books by Vincent, Barry Finnerty, and Mark Levine. I like the Randy Halberstadt book - neat bag of tips and tricks for piano students.

Sold. I just bought myself a copy to see what I missed. The reviews sold me:

Der Autor will mit diesen 328 Seiten in praktischer Spiralbindung seinen Erfahrungsschatz als Musiker weiterreichen. Das Buch sei eine Art Warenhaus, aus dem man sich bedienen soll. Trotzdem warnt er, dass Klavierspiel und Harmonielehre Voraussetzungen für die Arbeit mit dem Buch sind. Recht hat er. Denn zwar streut er recht unorthodox Lebensweisheiten und Anfängerhilfen in die Kapitel ein, aber eigentlich will das Buch von Anfang bis Ende durchgearbeitet werden. Und das basiert auf Noten.
Was so nicht in ein Konzept zu passen scheint, sind praktische Tips, Ratschläge zur Bandarbeit, Timing, Übungsroutinen, Fingersätze für Nichtpianisten mit Hilfe von Tastatur-Grafiken usw.. Er äußert sich zur Anschlagtechnik, gibt Improvisationsempfehlungen.
Es gibt Fingerübungen, Melodieführung über Akkorden, Gehörtraining, eine Menge Harmonielehre, Pentatonik-Fingersätze, Voicings und Leadsheets. Irgendwie hat das Buch zwar kein Thema aber trotzdem eine Abfolge von Kapiteln, die sich aufeinander beziehen.
Was soll man davon halten ? Es ist eine Menge Nützliches und Lehrreiches drin. Und ohne Klavierspiel nach Noten ist es kaum zu bewältigen. Die Zielgruppe dürften Amateurmusiker sein. Ich sag mal, es ist das was Randy Halberstadt der Welt über Musik erzählen will.

Jazz is often seen as another musical language.

I am merely a dilettante, so I don't mind seeing jazz lead sheets from Real Books, apps, or whatever, but I've learned to always verify the sheet music against what people are playing, using my ear.

I see this large flat surface and every approach is just another direction to move away from where you currently reside. If you see someone you'd like to emulate the direction might be vary obvious. Of course the surface is flat but here are obstacles to be surmounted.

Opportunities to show up and play tunes from Real Books with strangers for $100 are few and far between and in the time of Covid... impossible to book.

Current practicioners of jazz in it's state of the art form through away most books and
arrive at a similar place to the @LinearLineman: where is just flows from some internal well of brain connections... spontaneously and hopefully inspired.

GovernorSilver

@McD said:

@GovernorSilver said:
The gentleman who recommend the Randy Vincent books, funnily enough, is hard core about students learning all tunes by ear and/or in person from veteran musos. No Real Books allowed in his presence. He is a pro guitarist who worked for THD at one time.

It took me a good bit of research to figure out what THD is...
http://www.thdelectronics.com/

Here he is - Ed Degenaro. He says he is from Germany.
https://www.abstractlogix.com/interview-village-unfretted-ed-degenaro/

Back in his THD days he was all about 3-notes per string shred metal playing.

I recall watching a Frank Gambale VHS video where he applied the three note approach
to pentatonic and blazed away using speed picking where each 3 note pattern ends on
a down stroke to get to the next note up the scale quickly or an upstroke to go back down the scale like greased inlightning. The stretch in the fingers required to span 6 frets per string for hours to build up speed just looked painful and potentially damaging.

While economy picking and sweep picking have been part of the jazz guitar lexicon since the days of Charlie Christian (yep, Charlie use sweep picking for a lot of his arpeggio bursts) everyone seems to still say that nobody takes it further than Frank Gambale, especially regarding his creativity for designing arpeggio patterns to milk every drop out of these techniques.

Opportunities to show up and play tunes from Real Books with strangers for $100 are few and far between and in the time of Covid... impossible to book.

Haha, the first Real Book that I bought was from some guy in a parking lot who took the book out of his trunk. I felt like I was doing a drug deal.

Current practicioners of jazz in it's state of the art form through away most books and
arrive at a similar place to the @LinearLineman: where is just flows from some internal well of brain connections... spontaneously and hopefully inspired.

Reliance on books varies depending on the individual and that individual's mood. One of my mentors in university said I ought to buy the Slonimsky Thesaurus of Scales. Then a few weeks later, he said reading too much out of books is detrimental and it's better to transcribe solos off of records, and he'd love to explain more but he wants to go and practice John Coltrane licks in the practice room. I've spoken to other seasoned musos who have changing attitudes depending on season, moon phases, etc. too, like this guy who tells everyone to buy Advancing Guitarist by Mick Goodrick but then says learning from books is a waste of time compared to learning by ear.

LinearLineman

When you see the Buddha kill the Buddha.

McD

@LinearLineman said:
When you see the Buddha kill the Buddha.

Careful... this could lead to a rash of obese, chinese men being assaulted.
When you see the Buddha, buy him a beer.

GovernorSilver

@McD said:

@LinearLineman said:
When you see the Buddha kill the Buddha.

Careful... this could lead to a rash of obese, chinese men being assaulted.
When you see the Buddha, buy him a beer.

Unfortunate but prob true in the US where hardly anybody knows Siddartha was born and bred in what is now Nepal.

LinearLineman

@GovernorSilver, no one knows who Siddartha was.

SNystrom

Seriously Mike?

EVERYONE on our forum knows about Siddaratha!

We are most enlightened....

Montreal_Music

@SNystrom said:
Seriously Mike?

EVERYONE on our forum knows about Siddaratha!

We are most enlightened....

Why they spelled it Heffe? On French books, his last name is Hesse.

celtic_elk

@Montreal_Music said:

@SNystrom said:
Seriously Mike?

EVERYONE on our forum knows about Siddaratha!

We are most enlightened....

Why they spelled it Heffe? On French books, his last name is Hesse.

That is spelled "Hesse." A number of older scripts use an "s" that appears very similar to an "f" to modern readers.

McD

@Montreal_Music said:
Why they spelled it Heffe?

That's an example of the "long S":

The long s, ſ, is an archaic form of the lower case letter s. It replaced the single s, or one or both[note 1] of the letters s in a double s (e.g. "ſinfulneſs" for "sinfulness" and "poſſeſs" or "poſseſs" for "possess" - but never "poſſeſſ").[1] The long s is the basis of the first half of the grapheme of the German alphabet ligature letter ß, which is known as the Eszett.[2] The modern letterform is known as the short, terminal, or round s.

It fell out of common usage around the 1800's in English printing.

LinearLineman

@GovernorSilver, not sure about this forum, but to us Muricans... Sid Who?

McD

@McD said:

@Montreal_Music said:
Why they spelled it Heffe?

That's an example of the "long S":

The long s, ſ, is an archaic form of the lower case letter s. It replaced the single s, or one or both[note 1] of the letters s in a double s (e.g. "ſinfulneſs" for "sinfulness" and "poſſeſs" or "poſseſs" for "possess" - but never "poſſeſſ").[1] The long s is the basis of the first half of the grapheme of the German alphabet ligature letter ß, which is known as the Eszett.[2] The modern letterform is known as the short, terminal, or round s.

It fell out of common usage around the 1800's in English printing.

Maybe it explains why so many "Eff" sounds are spelled as "ph" and the modern "f" was not used?

I found an example with a long S but a short s is used following an actual 'f':
ſatisfaction

If you blow up the size you'll see a difference in the long S and the f in the cross hatch:

https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/k3/ix0vzy7v3g9u.png

"I can't get no... no, no, no."

rs2000

Is any lf these guys on sale?
Watch out for hidden subscriptions!

scadet

Haha, the first Real Book that I bought was from some guy in a parking lot who took the book out of his trunk. I felt like I was doing a drug deal.

Reminds me of the first oscilloscope I scored off Craigslist. A pretty nice Tektronix. A guy from Riverside drove it to a local coffee shop parking lot. I think we both felt like we were getting away with something. It had the original leads, power cord, user manual, cover, and everything! But then, there was that Hickok 539 (something, A? B?) tube tester I got the following summer to somehow sort my hopeless collection into those that might work or might possibly fry kill my latest amp score.... Memories..

Then I find out from Simon the Magpie you can score all this stuff for free in the gomi pile next door if you look hard enough!! Who knew? Sweden has some pretty classy junk.

CracklePot

Poor sales thread.
What happened to you?
😔

Krupa

Everything already sold 😆

CracklePot

Ok, I got one. SomaFM.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/somafm-radio-player/id406262816
It’s free right now. Normally $8.
I listen to it a lot, but recommend it now if you like cheese X-mas tunes.
They have a new station that plays old department store X-mas music, as well as a good assortment of other off-beat X-mas stations.

ChrisG

Guys, let’s get back to heads up on sales 👍

McD

Korg is continuing their 50% sale this month. This could start a long conversation around which one to add. I recommend iWaveStation and Module Pro. But there are so many synths to choose from. Then there's the "To Gadget or not to Gadget" question. It appears is can do audio and I thought it was stuck with a finite bars design but audio can flow between scenes seamlessly, I have been told. I stopped using it thinking it couldn't do that. And no one set me straight.

david_2017

@mcd which one will be the next AU version ? That would be interesting to know

ajmiller

The Drone Zone, Deep Space One and Sonic Universe are some of the best listening around for me! Didn't mind paying for the app to keep the station alive!

@CracklePot said:
Ok, I got one. SomaFM.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/somafm-radio-player/id406262816
It’s free right now. Normally $8.
I listen to it a lot, but recommend it now if you like cheese X-mas tunes.
They have a new station that plays old department store X-mas music, as well as a good assortment of other off-beat X-mas stations.

Millwardesque

@ajmiller said:
The Drone Zone, Deep Space One and Sonic Universe are some of the best listening around for me! Didn't mind paying for the app to keep the station alive!

@CracklePot said:
Ok, I got one. SomaFM.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/somafm-radio-player/id406262816
It’s free right now. Normally $8.
I listen to it a lot, but recommend it now if you like cheese X-mas tunes.
They have a new station that plays old department store X-mas music, as well as a good assortment of other off-beat X-mas stations.

GrooveSalad introduced me to the world of chill beats. Got me through university back in the mid-2000s.

dobbs

@CracklePot said:
Ok, I got one. SomaFM.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/somafm-radio-player/id406262816
It’s free right now. Normally $8.
I listen to it a lot, but recommend it now if you like cheese X-mas tunes.
They have a new station that plays old department store X-mas music, as well as a good assortment of other off-beat X-mas stations.

SomaFM's Lush is what wakes me up every morning SomaFM's stations are integrated into Sleep As Android app. I believe you can also just go to the website if you don't want the app.

Korg is continuing their 50% sale this month.

Wish that also included hardware... I've wanted to get the little monotrons since forever but somehow I find them too expensive because I'm pretty sure I'd use them a few times and then forget they exist...

dobbs

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