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Hey I'm feeling stupid. How do I hook up a midi controller keyboard to play the synth?
@dpg499 said:
A good place to start is the preset browser, find the bank called in/out this contains the snapshots for using in the Audiobus FX slot
@NedBouhalassa said:
True, it doesn't seem to handle this well. It's almost as if it's sampling the modulator at a frequency lower than the modulator is set. Can you get close to what you're after by using the Ring Modulator instead?
@supadom said:
I haven't tried this yet. It looked like thesoundtestroom was doing so in his video though.
@PaulB said:
No I was just playing the app
Ok, didn't notice your fingers on the keyboard for some bits.
@PaulB said:
No. Ring modulation is a very different process than FM, and has its own sound. I don't understand why something so simple would be so difficult with iVCS3. I mean, it's not like FM is something complicated to implement, judging by the FM-style apps like FM8.
What about Filter FM?
@PaulB said:
No, most of the sound will just generate on its own
@PaulB, @supadom - turn on the MIDI CCs in the settings. Then it will respond to external MIDI keyboards.
Did a silly track using only ivcs3 (8 tracks) and no other effects (simple mastering)
It's a bit messy, but it was just for fun
Oups, it didn't embed, so here is the link
@Crabman said:
Neither! It's like the app refuses to do modulation at audio rate speed. Frustrating!
@mtyas said:
Not bad. Tonally, it reminded me of parts of Clearlight Symphony.
@NedBouhalassa said:
Thats a bummer and definitely keeps me from buying it for now.
Modular seems to do it ok.
FM is generally very different in the virtual world than in the analog world. Except the specialised FM synths which can do good FM sounds of course (but not typical subtractive synth sounds).
High frequency VCO (or VCF) modulation and VCF feedback (resonance) sound best with analog circuitry. Emulations usually fail there. The iVCS3 is no exception, but that had to be expected.
What? What about FM8? That's been around forever. I have an FM app on my iPad.
@Ned:he made a difference between subtractive and specialised FM synth.
@Phil:theres a huge gap between"virtual subtractive FM cant sound the same than analog one" and "random noise like in iVCS3".A lot of digital ones can do it more or less ok.Sunrizer,Thor,Magellan,iMini...to name a few i own on ipad and going further to the desktops...well,should stop here.Diva is the first that comes to my mind.It can do really nice Filter FM.
FWIW, FM has always been pretty easy to do in the virtual domain. A list of current offers: FM 8, Reaktor, Sytrus, Phantom, Operator, Octopus, Blue, Discovery Pro, Rhino. Why can't I do FM in iVCS3? It's so easy with my Synthi.
You still dont get the point ;-) Your list contains special FM synths (don't know all of them though and too lazy to google).While they are good at what they offer they most probably fail to create a lush oberheim string or warm Minimoog bass...and vice versa.The godfather of FM (DX7) was nothing else than a digital synth.But if you try to recreate analog curcuit behavior(with all the instability that makes this sounding so"warm"),FM is a different kind of beast.Although definitely not impossible (virtually).And/but a (well known)modular synth like the iVCS shouldn't completely fail in this discipline,i agree.Thats where things start to get interesting for me.Audio rate modulation is really nothing new in the digital world and a good emulation of the VCS3 need to cover this area.The result should be at least more than random noise.But maybe they recreated the horrible (almost non existing)tuning stability of the original vcs as well.. ;-)
@Crabman said:
Diva is the first that comes to my mind.It can do really nice Filter FM.
I agree. Diva is one of the very few virtual synths (with subtractive synthesis) that does FM well. Monark is also rather good in that department. But this genuine emulation of analog circuitry has its price. It needs a fast CPU with at least 4 cores for polyphony. That may be the reason why Monark is strictly monophonic, and probably why we don't have this level of emulation with iPad apps. And I guess in a couple of years when we have tablets with more processing power, this may change.
But I don't want to say current synth apps are bad. The contrary, they are very good. They just don't have that level of genuine emulation to create certain special sounds.
There are at least 10 apps on iPhone/iPad that do FM: http://appcrawlr.com/ios-apps/best-apps-fm-synthesis
And what I'm asking is not for iVCS3 to behave like a typical FM synth. I just want it to behave like the Synthi in my studio. Yes, it has a life of its own, but when you audio-modulate one osc with another, it makes a clear FM tone that is nothing like what we're hearing here. I think at this point, I'm going to shut up until I can link to a demo I'll make of what I'm talking about.
Way off topic, but Monark doesn't HAVE to be "strictly monophonic". I have a polyphonic version of it for Reaktor...
I've been testing out FM modulation of Osc1 by Osc2 at audio frequencies with a simple sine wave on Osc1 and a triangle on Osc2 - and there is definitely something odd going on. There appears to not be a smooth modulation effect as one changes the frequency of Osc 2. On occasion it will appear to flip down into low frequency FM as one changes the Osc2. It may be a sampling issue. The sound you get is very interesting and "nice" in itself, but it's not quite what's supposed to happen I believe. So, maybe this will get a look in version 1.0.2. I know the devs have been alerted to the FM issues already :-)
I did some FFT analysis of it as well as basic scoping and the sideband clustering does appear to support the notion that it's not always doing proper FM of the signal (audio freq modulation of Osc1 by Osc2). At times it appears to, but then at times the sideband clustering appears very much like LF modulation. So, definitely something that could stand some enchancement. I'm sure the devs will go there - they've put a lot of work into this initial release already and what does work well works very well! :-)
that would be nice if the developers would improve the modulation. But I'm not so sure if that will be easy. Maybe in version 2.
@Zymos I didn't know that there is a polyphonic version of Monark. Not an official one I guess.
And again, Modular can do frequency modulation of a VCO by another VCO at audio frequencies, which would suggest there's no reason why iVCS3 shouldn't be able to with current devices, but Modular does have a dedicated input for this on the VCO panel, so it may be a dedicated and optimised algorithm in the code.
@Musicinclusive:thanks a lot for your tests.I'm asking myself where all the beta testers have been,FM (Filter or Osc)is one of the first 5 things i test on any synth if possible.
What about another territory:can iVCS produce at least some nice basses or other "usable" sounds besides some movie fx?
Don't get me wrong i WANT this thing (to be good)and the rant comes from my disappointment.It seems half baked.A bit more like an (great)optical blender than a faithful emulation soundwise.Sorry but thats the impression i get.
@PaulB: I don'like Modular that much.I was not overly impressed how it sounds and i didn't like the overall handling.And that you always needed another mixer/multiple for every little fart was quite annoying and a little too much of real modular emulation imo.I already deleted it.Also the Problem with virtual patchcable is that the source/dest are hard to see under your finger.I would love to try the pin matrix.