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Why is there no Prophet-5 emulation on iOS?

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  • edited May 2020

    The Poly-Mod section is where the real magic begins. It can do really some nice timbres and FX and especially if you crank up the resonance and use audio rate stuff most software synths falls apart and just hurt my ears. Repro is really the very best software Prophet, especially since it includes a Pro-One and Prophet V but with 8 voices.
    I even like Repro-1 a bit more. But the added FX are the big bonus here for me which take this software above the hardware for me and it also has microtuning.
    But i would love to have Beepstreet´s Dagger on iOS. Drambo and Zeeon does not have that bite Dagger has.
    It is even my second favorite mono synth from all after Repro-1.
    DRC is indeed really good too. It really has the analog flavor, also the included FX. I love if the feedback comes back and get really mad (but sometimes too mad).
    Model D still has the most powerful sound in iOS realm and even is in my Top 3 from all my synths i own. They got the saturation/gain staging right for me.
    I must say without added FX i find the Prophet not too interesting and in general many analog synths can sound quite similar until you go into the sweet spots.
    But yeah if i could vote for my next 3 favorite analog sounding synths missing in iOS it would be:
    1.P900 (the chances that this happens are there, but i guess it will take time)
    2.Repro (i doubt we will see any U-he iOS app in near future, but you never know)
    3.Dagger (so maybe Drambo could make it in the future maybe)

  • Don’t forget the experience of dealing with the OG interface. You can get just about any subtractive synth app to sound like just about any synth. But intellectually that’s an entirely different exercise than creating a sound on the original with the original interface.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @frond said:
    DRC can do some of the sci prophet 5/ pro one sounds. polyphonic, but also settings for monophonic and unison.

    if I recall correctly, the Prophet 5 was the first synth that offered hard sync of an oscillator pair. The synth lead sound on Talking Heads' Burning Down the House was a hard sync prophet patch running through a T-Wah

    i’m assuming it was that solo in burning down the house. great solo.

    i’ve never tried to recreate that type of sound with DRC, but it does have sync. love processing synths through an envelope followed filter like the boss touch wah.

    i find DRC excels at bass, and maurizio-type filtered chords. pretty sure Von Oswald and Ernestus used the Prophet 5.

  • Have you folks heard the prophet 6?
    I'd love to get something like that on iOS.. Matt Johnson (of jamiroquai) in this vid, echos the things you were saying about the 3 chips..

    Lovely sounds from this one:

  • @SNystrom said:
    Yeah John. Totally agree.

    Back in the 90's I owned a Yamaha SY series synth that inherited some of the features of the Prophet. It was my first Synth, and I totally loved it.

    When I saw the iProphet, it was an insta-buy.

    It was also an insta-disappointment.

    I found the joystick sadly disfunctional and although I managed to create a few pretty cool patches, overall it wasn't worth anywhere near the purchase price.

    The best iteration of iProphet, (as well as iMini and iMPC Pro - the first one) is inside Tabletop. It has been a couple years since last update but it is stable...

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  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Yeah John. Totally agree.

    Back in the 90's I owned a Yamaha SY series synth that inherited some of the features of the Prophet. It was my first Synth, and I totally loved it.

    When I saw the iProphet, it was an insta-buy.

    It was also an insta-disappointment.

    I found the joystick sadly disfunctional and although I managed to create a few pretty cool patches, overall it wasn't worth anywhere near the purchase price.

    The best iteration of iProphet, (as well as iMini and iMPC Pro - the first one) is inside Tabletop. It has been a couple years since last update but it is stable...

    Which one is the Prophet 5 clone please? I can only see a VS clone...

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Yeah John. Totally agree.

    Back in the 90's I owned a Yamaha SY series synth that inherited some of the features of the Prophet. It was my first Synth, and I totally loved it.

    When I saw the iProphet, it was an insta-buy.

    It was also an insta-disappointment.

    I found the joystick sadly disfunctional and although I managed to create a few pretty cool patches, overall it wasn't worth anywhere near the purchase price.

    The best iteration of iProphet, (as well as iMini and iMPC Pro - the first one) is inside Tabletop. It has been a couple years since last update but it is stable...

    I was looking at tabletop pictures in the App Store and it shows Arturia iProphet. Is that what you are talking about?

  • @ecou said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Yeah John. Totally agree.

    Back in the 90's I owned a Yamaha SY series synth that inherited some of the features of the Prophet. It was my first Synth, and I totally loved it.

    When I saw the iProphet, it was an insta-buy.

    It was also an insta-disappointment.

    I found the joystick sadly disfunctional and although I managed to create a few pretty cool patches, overall it wasn't worth anywhere near the purchase price.

    The best iteration of iProphet, (as well as iMini and iMPC Pro - the first one) is inside Tabletop. It has been a couple years since last update but it is stable...

    I was looking at tabletop pictures in the App Store and it shows Arturia iProphet. Is that what you are talking about?

    Yep

  • edited November 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Yeah John. Totally agree.

    Back in the 90's I owned a Yamaha SY series synth that inherited some of the features of the Prophet. It was my first Synth, and I totally loved it.

    When I saw the iProphet, it was an insta-buy.

    It was also an insta-disappointment.

    I found the joystick sadly disfunctional and although I managed to create a few pretty cool patches, overall it wasn't worth anywhere near the purchase price.

    The best iteration of iProphet, (as well as iMini and iMPC Pro - the first one) is inside Tabletop. It has been a couple years since last update but it is stable...

    Which one is the Prophet 5 clone please? I can only see a VS clone...

    Sorry for the confusion, I was picking up on the earlier post about the Arturia iProphet - not the V

  • I’d pay like $50 for a Prophet 5 emulation on iOS right now

  • My approach has been to buy an Pioneer AS-1! Obviously its not poly, but it fills my urges close enough.

  • @quartzite said:
    My approach has been to buy an Pioneer AS-1! Obviously its not poly, but it fills my urges close enough.

    How do you like it? Is the few amount of knob annoying?

  • @Fingolfinzzz said:
    I’d pay like $50 for a Prophet 5 emulation on iOS right now

    How important is the user interface to you? Would you still be interested if the app "only" sounded like the original?

  • I'd love to have a proper Prophet 5 and Pro One emulation for iOS/iPadOS :)
    (And a proper TR808 too, can't help-it I love 'old school').

    Here's Paolo again...

  • Well since I am the prophet of utopia I can guess the synth is difficult to recreate. It Shall be done (wand waiving), but results will vary. Like that Oberheim clone, seemed like it got flack and am not sure how close it was.
    P.S I am not sure life or electrical things are real. Trips me out and maybe we are in utopia land but it has a fog of mental mind control by ufos. The ET are waiting for someone to say wait how does electricity even work, and then we find the ET gave us electricity and then a fog over it. Have some coffee son.

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  • edited November 2020

    @ecou said:

    @quartzite said:
    My approach has been to buy an Pioneer AS-1! Obviously its not poly, but it fills my urges close enough.

    How do you like it? Is the few amount of knob annoying?

    Its sound is perfect. The build quality is also extremely good. Device is a tad bulky but not crazy. They often go for pretty cheap which is nice.

    The lack of knobs is kind of a pain, but I use this mididesigner template to get to all the parameters. Definitely works good enough. I'm hoping patchbase will release an AS-1 template (they just released a mopho template) because one with bidirectional midi would be perfect. The few knobs the device does have are good enough for some live tweaking.

    The only other bad thing about it is the internal sequencer bug when switching patterns. Your sequences will get out of sync. But I do all my sequencing from Drambo so I don't care :P.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Fingolfinzzz said:
    I’d pay like $50 for a Prophet 5 emulation on iOS right now

    How important is the user interface to you? Would you still be interested if the app "only" sounded like the original?

    I could handle a Windows 95esque interface of the sound was on point

  • @quartzite said:

    @ecou said:

    @quartzite said:
    My approach has been to buy an Pioneer AS-1! Obviously its not poly, but it fills my urges close enough.

    How do you like it? Is the few amount of knob annoying?

    Its sound is perfect. The build quality is also extremely good. Device is a tad bulky but not crazy. They often go for pretty cheap which is nice.

    The lack of knobs is kind of a pain, but I use this mididesigner template to get to all the parameters. Definitely works good enough. I'm hoping patchbase will release an AS-1 template (they just released a mopho template) because one with bidirectional midi would be perfect. The few knobs the device does have are good enough for some live tweaking.

    The only other bad thing about it is the internal sequencer bug when switching patterns. Your sequences will get out of sync. But I do all my sequencing from Drambo so I don't care :P.

    Thanks for your feedback. It’s probably it a good first synth.

  • @ecou said:
    Thanks for your feedback. It’s probably it a good first synth.

    Totally! The only thing that might make it not a good first synth is it not being more "one knob per function". The Behringer Pro-1 may give you more of that immediate synth feel. Or a moog minitaur or Roland SE-02. But I wanted patch storage and the Pro-One sound, so I chose the AS-1.

  • I was looking at the Behringer pro-1. Looks very interesting. I probably would have pulled the plug already if it was in stock at my favorite shop.

  • @Fingolfinzzz said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Fingolfinzzz said:
    I’d pay like $50 for a Prophet 5 emulation on iOS right now

    How important is the user interface to you? Would you still be interested if the app "only" sounded like the original?

    I could handle a Windows 95esque interface of the sound was on point

    Good to know, thanks!

  • @ecou said:
    I was looking at the Behringer pro-1. Looks very interesting. I probably would have pulled the plug already if it was in stock at my favorite shop.

    The Pro-1 is very good. Great sequencer for feeding triggers.

    Prophet 5 on iOS? Use OB-Xd. You can make a Rev 3 and OB-XA sound almost identical on basic patches. I attempted some P5 style patches in Drambo, no dice.

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  • @BroCoast said:

    @ecou said:
    I was looking at the Behringer pro-1. Looks very interesting. I probably would have pulled the plug already if it was in stock at my favorite shop.

    The Pro-1 is very good. Great sequencer for feeding triggers.

    Prophet 5 on iOS? Use OB-Xd. You can make a Rev 3 and OB-XA sound almost identical on basic patches. I attempted some P5 style patches in Drambo, no dice.

    I have a Pro-1. I’ve wanted a real Pro-One ever since I saw Vince Clarke play one on top of the pops.

    I love it. As you can imagine it’s so different to having a plug in.

    I would like a pro-1 emulation for iOS. But the thing with the real thing that I’m enjoying is the fact it has no patch memories. You have to make it make a sound everyone. I tend to spend ages going through presets with plugins then tweak one that’s close to what I’m after. Not being able to do that is a lot of fun and I’ve spent ages just making sounds and playing it. Like a real instrument. I wish I had the self restraint to be able to use plug ins the same way :lol:

    And it definitely has a feel to it that I don’t get from plug ins. And a bit of hiss. All through the 90s I arrived to get rid of hiss. Now I miss it :-)

    Anyway. Considering the Pro-one was my holy grail synth, the Pro-1 has not been a disappointment.

    Ive tried the Re-Pro demo on my Mac and it sounds really good. In a mix you’d never tell the difference.

    The difference with hardware is in the experience. It makes me do things differently. It’s fun. And a Behringer Pro-1 ain’t all that much more than Re-Pro. :-/

    It’s all good. I’d definitely buy a good Pro-one/Prophet 5 for iOS. As good as re-pro is I don’t want to spend that much on a plug in.

  • @klownshed said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @ecou said:
    I was looking at the Behringer pro-1. Looks very interesting. I probably would have pulled the plug already if it was in stock at my favorite shop.

    The Pro-1 is very good. Great sequencer for feeding triggers.

    Prophet 5 on iOS? Use OB-Xd. You can make a Rev 3 and OB-XA sound almost identical on basic patches. I attempted some P5 style patches in Drambo, no dice.

    I have a Pro-1. I’ve wanted a real Pro-One ever since I saw Vince Clarke play one on top of the pops.

    I love it. As you can imagine it’s so different to having a plug in.

    I would like a pro-1 emulation for iOS. But the thing with the real thing that I’m enjoying is the fact it has no patch memories. You have to make it make a sound everyone. I tend to spend ages going through presets with plugins then tweak one that’s close to what I’m after. Not being able to do that is a lot of fun and I’ve spent ages just making sounds and playing it. Like a real instrument. I wish I had the self restraint to be able to use plug ins the same way :lol:

    And it definitely has a feel to it that I don’t get from plug ins. And a bit of hiss. All through the 90s I arrived to get rid of hiss. Now I miss it :-)

    Anyway. Considering the Pro-one was my holy grail synth, the Pro-1 has not been a disappointment.

    Ive tried the Re-Pro demo on my Mac and it sounds really good. In a mix you’d never tell the difference.

    The difference with hardware is in the experience. It makes me do things differently. It’s fun. And a Behringer Pro-1 ain’t all that much more than Re-Pro. :-/

    It’s all good. I’d definitely buy a good Pro-one/Prophet 5 for iOS. As good as re-pro is I don’t want to spend that much on a plug in.

    That is exactly why I want a physical synth. To get better at programming my own sounds and stop using the presets.

  • @ecou said:

    @klownshed said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @ecou said:
    I was looking at the Behringer pro-1. Looks very interesting. I probably would have pulled the plug already if it was in stock at my favorite shop.

    The Pro-1 is very good. Great sequencer for feeding triggers.

    Prophet 5 on iOS? Use OB-Xd. You can make a Rev 3 and OB-XA sound almost identical on basic patches. I attempted some P5 style patches in Drambo, no dice.

    I have a Pro-1. I’ve wanted a real Pro-One ever since I saw Vince Clarke play one on top of the pops.

    I love it. As you can imagine it’s so different to having a plug in.

    I would like a pro-1 emulation for iOS. But the thing with the real thing that I’m enjoying is the fact it has no patch memories. You have to make it make a sound everyone. I tend to spend ages going through presets with plugins then tweak one that’s close to what I’m after. Not being able to do that is a lot of fun and I’ve spent ages just making sounds and playing it. Like a real instrument. I wish I had the self restraint to be able to use plug ins the same way :lol:

    And it definitely has a feel to it that I don’t get from plug ins. And a bit of hiss. All through the 90s I arrived to get rid of hiss. Now I miss it :-)

    Anyway. Considering the Pro-one was my holy grail synth, the Pro-1 has not been a disappointment.

    Ive tried the Re-Pro demo on my Mac and it sounds really good. In a mix you’d never tell the difference.

    The difference with hardware is in the experience. It makes me do things differently. It’s fun. And a Behringer Pro-1 ain’t all that much more than Re-Pro. :-/

    It’s all good. I’d definitely buy a good Pro-one/Prophet 5 for iOS. As good as re-pro is I don’t want to spend that much on a plug in.

    That is exactly why I want a physical synth. To get better at programming my own sounds and stop using the presets.

    If you can get your hands on a second hand Nord Lead 3, get it. I have never again seen a synth that is so much fun to make your own sounds on. And it's insanely powerful.

  • edited May 2021

    Chips like A12 would handle U-he Repro easily ( I bet at least 16 voices ). Later chips outperform Intel when it comes to DSP and SIMD computing. Zeeon is a proof, it uses similar computational methods ( iterative solving of complex nonlinear equations) and runs @4x oversampling. So yes, your iphone or ipad is ready for Diva, Repro or Serum :)

    Modelling a real thing, especially vintage synths it's a hard, monotonous work. Months on measuring a "black box" and finetuning dozens of parameters.

  • @giku_beepstreet said:
    Chips like A12 would handle U-he Repro easily ( I bet at least 16 voices ). Later chips outperform Intel when it comes to DSP and SIMD computing. Zeeon is a proof, it uses similar computational methods ( iterative solving of complex nonlinear equations) and runs @4x oversampling. So yes, your iphone or ipad is ready for Diva, Repro or Serum :)

    Modelling a real thing, especially vintage synths it's a hard, monotonous work. Months on measuring a "black box" and finetuning dozens of parameters.

    Very insightful!

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