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Piano Motifs by Fernando Morales

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  • @Jumpercollins I know how you feel, there's just not the time to go deep into everything, definitely not

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @Gavinski I Just tried Nimble Looper which is a midi looper IAP inside StreamByter AU app and that appears to record midi perfectly inside AUM from Piano Motifs.

    You can trim the loop etc downside is you don’t get visual sequencer showing the notes as Atom does but it’s AU and you can trim the loop or quantize or varispeed it.

    Now that’s a cool little looper.. easy to use.. great for layering.. I like it! Thanks for drawing attention to this cool tool.. 👍

  • That's hilarious. I use StreamByter all the time and I've never used Nimble Looper! It is definitely a neat little script... The challenge in this use case is that if the melody doesn't start on "1" then the coherence between the accompaniment and the melody is lost. Works fine if the melody starts on 1 but "close but no cigar" on the rest.

  • Thinking about this some more and I wonder if nimble looper could be updated to record on two MIDI channels based on when recording starts on either channel. That would essentially keep them synced for playback. Maybe @_ki or one of the other resident SB geniuses could comment on feasibility. Would really be a perfect companion for PM.

  • Nimble Looper was written by Nic of @Audeonic. It would be wise to request he add the extra channel behavior to the app... he's does a lot of custom coding for StreamByter users like @Janosax. @_Ki has the skills but I'm sure he'd leave a variant of Nimble Looper to it's owner... professional courtesy between programmers. Nimble Looper is a part of the product now.

  • Ah, of course, I can leave a note for Nic in the Audeonic forums. I was just musing about the feasibility before doing so. That scrip is indeed a bit of wizardry at work.

  • Nic had a good idea to insert a silent MIDI marker at the beginning of each sequence to alert each MIDI recorder as to where the "1" is in each part. Will try to find time this weekend to script that. Could also be inserted in Piano Motifs to make things easier and help overcome some of the limitations of not being able to sync. Insert note 127 with a velocity of 1 at the beginning of each sequence, @azul3D_Apps ?

  • Is it possible to make Piano Motifs respond to an external MIDI Master that provide start/stop and clock
    controls? Then we might find ways to hit go and have some sync between Piano Motifs as a MIDI generator
    and our targeted apps (recorders, synths, etc).

    I read that Ableton Link is considered to be difficult to integrate but maybe treating Piano Motifs enhancement to lead to a MIDI generator app (AB3, IAA, or AUv3 options) would be nice.

    I personally find the ability to export MIDI files to be a great option since I intend to layer multiple
    instances but having futures that allow provisioning one (or more with AUv3) instances in a DAW as a MIDI source that responds to the DAW's transport.

    Anyway... I would put a bow on this baby and start my new version that generates multiple layers
    across 2-16 MIDI outputs and starts with some consideration of an external sync capability using
    the easiest (AB3, IAA deprecated but easier or AUv3).

    As a developer I think it's wise to avoid setting any expectations. Surprise and delight us with PM's asking if
    we'd like to beta test a new app or just ship it and expect requests for more... always more.

  • Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    @Gavinski said:
    Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

    We should say his name 3 times and call him forth:

    @SevenSystems @SevenSystems @SevenSystems people should buy your app. You're relevant. (How's that DAW coming along?).

  • @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

    We should say his name 3 times and call him forth:

    @SevenSystems @SevenSystems @SevenSystems people should buy your app. You're relevant. (How's that DAW coming along?).

    Haha. Thanks for the free promotion work!

    I'm recently struggling a bit with time and slight health constraints (nothing extremely major), so the DAW is taking a back seat. However, a nice Xequence update is in the works (and actually in early Beta) and I hope to release it before the global apocalypse is finalized ;) (can't be long!)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

    We should say his name 3 times and call him forth:

    @SevenSystems @SevenSystems @SevenSystems people should buy your app. You're relevant. (How's that DAW coming along?).

    Haha. Thanks for the free promotion work!

    I'm recently struggling a bit with time and slight health constraints (nothing extremely major), so the DAW is taking a back seat. However, a nice Xequence update is in the works (and actually in early Beta) and I hope to release it before the global apocalypse is finalized ;) (can't be long!)

    Good! When I have finally explored this properly I'll do a video on it for sure.

  • So good to hear from you!

    Hope your health is improving, you're making solid progress on the app, and the global apocalypse can be averted! 🤗

  • edited October 2020

    @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

    We should say his name 3 times and call him forth:

    @SevenSystems @SevenSystems @SevenSystems people should buy your app. You're relevant. (How's that DAW coming along?).

    Haha. Thanks for the free promotion work!

    I'm recently struggling a bit with time and slight health constraints (nothing extremely major), so the DAW is taking a back seat. However, a nice Xequence update is in the works (and actually in early Beta) and I hope to release it before the global apocalypse is finalized ;) (can't be long!)

    Good! When I have finally explored this properly I'll do a video on it for sure.

    Thanks, do direct any questions or issues at me either here or via email!

    @SNystrom said:
    So good to hear from you!

    Hope your health is improving, you're making solid progress on the app, and the global apocalypse can be averted! 🤗

    It has already begun, hasn't it? At least the health apocalypse... now wait for the economic one!

  • Sadly you're probably correct, @SevenSystems.

    Most mom & pops are certainly doomed, as are their dine-in restaurants...

    Unfortunately I don't think most small restaurants will survive through the winter.

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    @SevenSystems said:
    I'm recently struggling a bit with time and slight health constraints (nothing extremely major)

    I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you get back on top of any health issues.

    So the DAW is taking a back seat.

    Too bad you can't hire a programmer and afford to pay for the work but then you have to spilt the
    $1,000.

    However, a nice Xequence update is in the works (and actually in early Beta)

    Cool. "Xequence 3" then. Insta-buy. :smile:

    I hope to release it before the global apocalypse is finalized ;) (can't be long!)

    People that use MIDI always survive. We are the roaches of the inter-webs. We will out live
    anything nature can throw at us. (Not all of us but definitely the Xequence buyers... spread the word
    and the Roach Motels).

    YOUR APP RECORDS MIDI BETTER THAN ANY OTHER TARGET. YOU ROCK. NOW I NEED TO TEST CUT AND PASTE FROm CHANNELS 1 and 2 to 3+4, 5+6, 7+8, etc so I can keep recording more Piano Motif sessions
    to make 16 channel orchestrations and send the MIDI Out to Gadget, AUM, etc.

    Is that easy to do? Anyone? Is it easy? Videos are always welcome for tricky stuff. @TheAudioDabbler @TheAudioDabbler @TheAudioDabbler. Trying out another ABF Bat Signal.

  • @McD said:

    >

    Too bad you can't hire a programmer and afford to pay for the work but then you have to spilt the
    $1,000.

    You're not too far off with your estimate there, unfortunately :D

    People that use MIDI always survive. We are the roaches of the inter-webs. We will out live
    anything nature can throw at us. (Not all of us but definitely the Xequence buyers... spread the word
    and the Roach Motels).

    Well, so far MIDI has indeed survived for 37 years or so, and it's still an extremely well thought-out and efficient protocol / standard. Almost ridiculously so.

    Enough off-topic now!

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    Nic had a good idea to insert a silent MIDI marker at the beginning of each sequence to alert each MIDI recorder as to where the "1" is in each part. Will try to find time this weekend to script that. Could also be inserted in Piano Motifs to make things easier and help overcome some of the limitations of not being able to sync. Insert note 127 with a velocity of 1 at the beginning of each sequence, @azul3D_Apps ?

    @lukesleepwalker, thanks for coming up with solutions for sync. I can add this in the next revision if it helps.

  • @McD said:
    Is it possible to make Piano Motifs respond to an external MIDI Master that provide start/stop and clock
    controls?

    @McD, unfortunately not with the current code base. AUv3 would be the ideal for Piano Motifs. If feasible, it would be a very long term project.

  • @azul3D_Apps said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Nic had a good idea to insert a silent MIDI marker at the beginning of each sequence to alert each MIDI recorder as to where the "1" is in each part. Will try to find time this weekend to script that. Could also be inserted in Piano Motifs to make things easier and help overcome some of the limitations of not being able to sync. Insert note 127 with a velocity of 1 at the beginning of each sequence, @azul3D_Apps ?

    @lukesleepwalker, thanks for coming up with solutions for sync. I can add this in the next revision if it helps.

    Cool, thank YOU for taking a look!

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Enough off-topic now!

    Making an App's thread hang around helps sell a few more copies.

    This one has some clever "auto-composition" code in it that makes it very useful t crank
    out a king of boilerplate traditional music stream. I'm not sure how close your auto generator is.
    I suspect yours has more EDM arp ideas. This one makes 4, 8 16 bar melodic lines. Good for
    background music purposes. Point it at the right apps and you 80% done with some soothing
    mood music with a classical bent.

  • @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Finally dipped into the Xequence 2 manual - definitely a very good, and actually easy to set up too - solution to import PM motif midi tracks into AUM with automation perfectly preserved. 👌👌

    We should say his name 3 times and call him forth:

    @SevenSystems @SevenSystems @SevenSystems people should buy your app. You're relevant. (How's that DAW coming along?).

    Lol. Must be staring in a mirror first. Lol.

  • @azul3D_Apps said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Nic had a good idea to insert a silent MIDI marker at the beginning of each sequence to alert each MIDI recorder as to where the "1" is in each part. Will try to find time this weekend to script that. Could also be inserted in Piano Motifs to make things easier and help overcome some of the limitations of not being able to sync. Insert note 127 with a velocity of 1 at the beginning of each sequence, @azul3D_Apps ?

    @lukesleepwalker, thanks for coming up with solutions for sync. I can add this in the next revision if it helps.

    I would be slightly worried about making such hacks permanent, there could be side effects for other workflows intending to use the midi data. Besides, there are some patches in some synths that are velocity-insensitive.

  • @bleep said:

    @azul3D_Apps said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Nic had a good idea to insert a silent MIDI marker at the beginning of each sequence to alert each MIDI recorder as to where the "1" is in each part. Will try to find time this weekend to script that. Could also be inserted in Piano Motifs to make things easier and help overcome some of the limitations of not being able to sync. Insert note 127 with a velocity of 1 at the beginning of each sequence, @azul3D_Apps ?

    @lukesleepwalker, thanks for coming up with solutions for sync. I can add this in the next revision if it helps.

    I would be slightly worried about making such hacks permanent, there could be side effects for other workflows intending to use the midi data. Besides, there are some patches in some synths that are velocity-insensitive.

    I was assuming a toggle in the MIDI out settings page (and the default is "off").

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    I finally got around to doing 2 layers of Piano Motifs:

    I imported one PM layer (2 voices) into StaffPad and assigns them to a Cello and Plucked Bass
    and exported the audio into AUM for a File Player to re-play.

    Then I imported another PM layer into Xequence 2 and assigned it's 2 tracks to 2 Noise Presets in AUM and recorded the whole and uploaded to SoundCloud.

    It works combining Staffpad audio and MIDi Sequences when the BPM's align effectu=ively it's 4 voices but it could be 6, 8, 10 years deep and then use the Mixer to pull up voices and mute out others.

    It's all GUI cut and paste work to build a whole composition.

    I could have curated better layers but this was a workflow and MIDI sync research experiment that worked.

  • Nice, @McD. I wanted to see if I could take your piece and write a hymn around it. Spent 15 minutes working out a melody and some words. One take (warts and all) and uploaded with no muss, no fuss. A fun experiment.

  • @lukesleepwalker love this, you have a great voice and it suits @McD's beautiful track perfectly

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Nice, @McD. I wanted to see if I could take your piece and write a hymn around it. Spent 15 minutes working out a melody and some words. One take (warts and all) and uploaded with no muss, no fuss. A fun experiment.

    Collaboration! Yeah. I can't do better at creating a layer for your voice. I'd just lay out something more
    chordal without a cello. More like this:

    If you have a handy chord progression you like or a song sketched out with synths I can create some string parts to match.

    I sang for the first 65 years of my life but after a neck surgery I ended up with a vocal node and lost the notes around C4. I have falsetto above and a decent voice below A3 but falsetto from A3 to F4 is so fake and shifting between head and falsetto at that break point means I have to write below Bb3 exclusively or find some other work around. I just stopped singing altogether because I sang for my own pleasure in doing not listening.

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