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Piano Motifs by Fernando Morales

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  • azul3D_Appsazul3D_Apps

    @shinyisshiny, @RJB, @Poppadocrock, @lukesleepwalker
    Thanks!

  • azul3D_Appsazul3D_Apps

    @McD said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    I'd buy a 12-tone serial version of Piano Motifs. Even better--can we get user-defined tone row length? Of course we'll also need inversion, retrograde, transposition, diminution and augmentation.

    If @azul3D_Apps isn't taking notes I'm sure there are other MIDI capable programmers that could be incented to follow this thread and get to work: @coniferprod some to mind. He can deliver a user interface and has a good handle on MIDI from his SynthJacker app. Unfortunately SynthJacker was made somewhat irrelevant when AudioLayer added the auto-sampler feature in an update. I have really open SynthJacker since. He's a very responsive developer so he might consider this BUT knowledge of music theory will be important to me
    but purely random tools that provide basic inversion, retrograde, transposition, diminution and augmentation do pretty well too. Anything that creates loops and has a random button seems to sell. But when something fakes actual traditional musical practices I get excited.

    • Riffer works for me
    • Session Band allows generating your own chord progression, tempo and produces studio musician quality demo tracks for song/writing in most genres
    • iRealPro generate "Real Book" band arrangements in MIDI form
    • iBassist is the center of a Band in the Box approach with customer chord progressions and a dozens drummers playing in all genres. The accompaniment is still somewhat weak but Perforator and FilterStep can improve that
    • One Man Band provides the auto-accompaniment that lounge acts keyboard players love
    • and of course the "pre-recorded loop" approach is still very strong along with 4 bar beat making/groove box apps

    But I'd love to see @azul3D_Apps break away into multiple parts using the same theories that make Paino Motifs so useful for my desire to auto-generate film music with real orchestra sounds. Nothing prevents these parts from driving synths and I might give that
    some effort at some point but for now I'm going to make demo's of instant orchestras without writing a single note. Just import MIDI into apps and cut and paste to produce longer works. 32 bars of C major followed by a B section in F major back to "A" then a C section in F minor... etc. That should keep me busy on the couch watching TV for news of the death of democracy.

    Definitely taking notes! :)

  • GovernorSilverGovernorSilver

    @azul3D_Apps said:
    :) I haven't really gotten into 20th century music theory. I struggle listening to Schönberg (except for his orchestration of Brahm's Piano Quartet).

    Tried the app after the latest update. The beauty is back!

    Debussy is one of my favorite 20th century composers. What the app generated today was somewhat evocative of Debussy.

    Perhaps this harmonic analysis video of Debussy's "Sunken Cathedral" may give you some ideas for app enhancements?

  • azul3D_Appsazul3D_Apps

    @GovernorSilver said:

    @azul3D_Apps said:
    :) I haven't really gotten into 20th century music theory. I struggle listening to Schönberg (except for his orchestration of Brahm's Piano Quartet).

    Tried the app after the latest update. The beauty is back!

    Debussy is one of my favorite 20th century composers. What the app generated today was somewhat evocative of Debussy.

    Perhaps this harmonic analysis video of Debussy's "Sunken Cathedral" may give you some ideas for app enhancements?

    @GovernorSilver, I probably should have specified that I haven't gotten into 12 tone serialism and tintinnabuli and not generalized. I like Debussy too. Debussy and Satie influences can sometimes show up in Piano Motifs music.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @azul3D_Apps said:

    Probably more profitable would be a tintinnabuli app though. And pretty easy to program....

    :) I haven't really gotten into 20th century music theory. I struggle listening to Schönberg (except for his orchestration of Brahm's Piano Quartet).

    Arvo Part is very easy to listen to. And easy to program emulations of too. I’ve patch programmed tintinnabuli in modular.

  • McDMcD

    @azul3D_Apps said:
    Definitely taking notes! :)

    Whatever you decide I'm sure it will be quality work.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    So Atom Piano Roll doesn’t really work as a way to record midi from PM, because it doesn’t get the sustain CC messages, Photon AU also had issues before, does Musk Midi Player definitely record these perfectly? Still looking for a good solution to record the midi from PM in AUM. Musk Midi Player is not ideal though as it is not AU. Is there no AU midi recorder that can do this job adequately?

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @Gavinski said:
    So Atom Piano Roll doesn’t really work as a way to record midi from PM, because it doesn’t get the sustain CC messages, Photon AU also had issues before, does Musk Midi Player definitely record these perfectly? Still looking for a good solution to record the midi from PM in AUM. Musk Midi Player is not ideal though as it is not AU. Is there no AU midi recorder that can do this job adequately?

    I'm having the same struggles but don't have Musk. The other challenge is syncing between PM and AUM. I've retreated to export MIDI until a suitable method appears.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

  • yowzayowza

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Gavinski said:
    So Atom Piano Roll doesn’t really work as a way to record midi from PM, because it doesn’t get the sustain CC messages, Photon AU also had issues before, does Musk Midi Player definitely record these perfectly? Still looking for a good solution to record the midi from PM in AUM. Musk Midi Player is not ideal though as it is not AU. Is there no AU midi recorder that can do this job adequately?

    I'm having the same struggles but don't have Musk. The other challenge is syncing between PM and AUM. I've retreated to export MIDI until a suitable method appears.

    Maybe when the Atom update arrives it will allow recording Midi from PM correctly. I haven’t tried using Xequence yet to record midi but I’d probably just export the midi files from PM to Xequence and work there anyway. PM has no time sync on its own so I don’t see how recording PM midi would ever work well without having to edit the midi file afterwards. I don’t run into this issue myself because I export the midi files from PM to Nanostudio or Zenbeats or any DAW and work there. It works great! No muss no fuss. I love working in AUM too but using midi files there are a pain in the ass. Maybe the Atom update will finally bring AUM midi more up to date.

  • onerezonerez

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yeah I love AUM but this aspect is a pain in the ass, yup, lol. Musk Midi will not cut it as I really want an AU solution to this, anything else is just a hassle.

  • JimP4nsenJimP4nsen

    @azul3D_Apps Thanks for another great update! 👍🏼

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

  • onerezonerez

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    What??? I have looked up to you with so much trust in all your videos!!! I thought that you just knew all this stuff like the back of your hand...... 😂. Kidding.... No I get you... its not that hard but I see where having an AU that you are familiar with would help.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @Gavinski I import the exported MIDI into Nanostudio 2 and then pipe the MIDI into Atom in AUM. Sometimes I just chill in NS2 and work on stuff there but I've gotten so used to AUM for composing that I usually move the MIDI to AUM and Atom. I am REALLY looking forward to Atom2 to improve on some of the MIDI options in AUM.

  • SpookyZooSpookyZoo

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    Definitely worth the reading time.

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins
    edited September 2020

    @Gavinski I Just tried Nimble Looper which is a midi looper IAP inside StreamByter AU app and that appears to record midi perfectly inside AUM from Piano Motifs.

    You can trim the loop etc downside is you don’t get visual sequencer showing the notes as Atom does but it’s AU and you can trim the loop or quantize or varispeed it.

    And I say for what it does it does well and worthy addition to a AU midi arsenal.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Haha! I’m still learning, and have limited time 😂😂> @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    What??? I have looked up to you with so much trust in all your videos!!! I thought that you just knew all this stuff like the back of your hand...... 😂. Kidding.... No I get you... its not that hard but I see where having an AU that you are familiar with would help.

    I’m sure it is, and I will get round to it at some point, hopefully soonish.

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    Definitely worth the reading time.

    But in Atom you are getting no sustain pedal, right?

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    @Gavinski I import the exported MIDI into Nanostudio 2 and then pipe the MIDI into Atom in AUM. Sometimes I just chill in NS2 and work on stuff there but I've gotten so used to AUM for composing that I usually move the MIDI to AUM and Atom. I am REALLY looking forward to Atom2 to improve on some of the MIDI options in AUM.

    @Jumpercollins said:
    @Gavinski I Just tried Nimble Looper which is a midi looper IAP inside StreamByter AU app and that appears to record midi perfectly inside AUM from Piano Motifs.

    You can trim the loop etc downside is you don’t get visual sequencer showing the notes as Atom does but it’s AU and you can trim the loop or quantize or varispeed it.

    Huh, that might be worth a look. So you can’t see the notes, it just has auto-trim, but the auto-trim does a decent job? Do you know if LK can do this kind of thing?

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    @Gavinski said:
    Haha! I’m still learning, and have limited time 😂😂> @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    What??? I have looked up to you with so much trust in all your videos!!! I thought that you just knew all this stuff like the back of your hand...... 😂. Kidding.... No I get you... its not that hard but I see where having an AU that you are familiar with would help.

    I’m sure it is, and I will get round to it at some point, hopefully soonish.

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    Definitely worth the reading time.

    But in Atom you are getting no sustain pedal, right?

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    @Gavinski I import the exported MIDI into Nanostudio 2 and then pipe the MIDI into Atom in AUM. Sometimes I just chill in NS2 and work on stuff there but I've gotten so used to AUM for composing that I usually move the MIDI to AUM and Atom. I am REALLY looking forward to Atom2 to improve on some of the MIDI options in AUM.

    @Jumpercollins said:
    @Gavinski I Just tried Nimble Looper which is a midi looper IAP inside StreamByter AU app and that appears to record midi perfectly inside AUM from Piano Motifs.

    You can trim the loop etc downside is you don’t get visual sequencer showing the notes as Atom does but it’s AU and you can trim the loop or quantize or varispeed it.

    Huh, that might be worth a look. So you can’t see the notes, it just has auto-trim, but the auto-trim does a decent job? Do you know if LK can do this kind of thing?

    @Gavinki I Just tried LK first after reading your comments I couldn’t seem to get midi into it via a external source ie Piano Motifs and have all the IAP?

    It may be possible but it doesn’t appear to be straight fwd operation.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    Fernando has said that Link is not possible with the current app architecture, right?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Fernando has said that Link is not possible with the current app architecture, right?

    If I recall right, yes.

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins
    edited September 2020

    @Gavinski Nimble Looper auto trim reduces by 1 beat per tap first tap moving to the nearest beat. You can trim the loop length by milliseconds aswell. Has a max of 256 notes or 65535milliseconds max which is just over a minute loop time. Plus overdub and independent varispeed facility from host transport which is clever.

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    @Gavinski

    A few videos showing it in Action.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    OK, turns out LK can do this, it seems, just checked with one of the Imaginando guys. OK time to finally learn how to use it 😅.

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    @Gavinski said:
    OK, turns out LK can do this, it seems, just checked with one of the Imaginando guys. OK time to finally learn how to use it 😅.

    I await your next video with glee if it's LK then!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Ah, still figuring out if it is fully possible. LK can record midi notes and cc, but I'm not sure yet how well it will work with something unsynced like PM's output. Because lk doesn't have a feature to trim the end of the recording it seems. Let's see if I can figure it out. Ah, I wish aum had built in midi recorders that also recorded automation. 😂

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Haha! I’m still learning, and have limited time 😂😂> @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    What??? I have looked up to you with so much trust in all your videos!!! I thought that you just knew all this stuff like the back of your hand...... 😂. Kidding.... No I get you... its not that hard but I see where having an AU that you are familiar with would help.

    I’m sure it is, and I will get round to it at some point, hopefully soonish.

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I have Xequence but have not had time to get familiar with it, it’s got a huge manual and I just haven’t had time to get acquainted yet.

    @onerez said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yup, it’s problematic for sure. I wish Photon worked properly for this, Tony talked about updating it but no word on that. I know there is Xequence but I’m hoping to find an AU solution. Can LK do this kind of thing? IT seems to do a lot but I haven’t had a chance to investigate yet. You’re exporting your midi but what are you using to play it in AUM Luke? @lukesleepwalker

    Did a quick test with Xequence seemed to work.

    Definitely worth the reading time.

    But in Atom you are getting no sustain pedal, right?

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    @Gavinski I import the exported MIDI into Nanostudio 2 and then pipe the MIDI into Atom in AUM. Sometimes I just chill in NS2 and work on stuff there but I've gotten so used to AUM for composing that I usually move the MIDI to AUM and Atom. I am REALLY looking forward to Atom2 to improve on some of the MIDI options in AUM.

    @Jumpercollins said:
    @Gavinski I Just tried Nimble Looper which is a midi looper IAP inside StreamByter AU app and that appears to record midi perfectly inside AUM from Piano Motifs.

    You can trim the loop etc downside is you don’t get visual sequencer showing the notes as Atom does but it’s AU and you can trim the loop or quantize or varispeed it.

    Huh, that might be worth a look. So you can’t see the notes, it just has auto-trim, but the auto-trim does a decent job? Do you know if LK can do this kind of thing?

    @Gavinki I Just tried LK first after reading your comments I couldn’t seem to get midi into it via a external source ie Piano Motifs and have all the IAP?

    It may be possible but it doesn’t appear to be straight fwd operation.

    Nice tip about streambyter. It does at least definitely record the sustain messages properly. Might be an OK solution. Also, u mentioned IAP but seems it is free to use nimble looper in it. Now to figure out the trimming

  • GavinskiGavinski

    So can streambyter also just allow you to import a midi file? @Jumpercollins

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins
    edited September 2020

    @Gavinski said:
    So can streambyter also just allow you to import a midi file? @Jumpercollins

    @Gavinski To be honest I’ve never tried midi import with Nimble Looper I’ve only just used record in. StreamByter app as a whole is very deep and I’m no expert. There are quite a few threads on this forum about the scripts it’s sort of taken a back seat since Mozaic came out.

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