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Sample Packs a big no no in real hip hop /house culture.Try Dig in the crates people be original

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  • @ecamburn I am quite sure that I have mentioned genre about 20 times.
    I don't remember anyone being against sample packs in general or anyone saying that professionals shouldn't be using commercial samples in general.
    Especially those orchestral sample packs are usually aimed at professionals. Mainly for film & advertising.

  • @Max23 said:
    Hm, there is zero creativity involved in throwing a bunch of premade loops together ...
    A 5 year old child could do that.

    A child can do it, but it’s still a valid art form.

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  • “Valid art form”? I doubt you’ll get a consensus on that. 😆

  • @Max23 said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Max23 said:
    Hm, there is zero creativity involved in throwing a bunch of premade loops together ...
    A 5 year old child could do that.

    A child can do it, but it’s still a valid art form.

    Is painting by numbers a valid art form?

    Yes, coloring someone else’s drawing is a valid art form. It’s how many of the great Italian and Dutch masters were created.

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  • I would guess most competent users of sample packs are altering and re-contextualizing the samples. It's only beginners who commit the cardinal sin of EDM, right?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

  • This thread has my vote for the most pointless useless exchange of arguments I’ve ever seen in the ten years or so I’ve been here, on an otherwise super nice and helpful forum

  • But is it ok to use sample packs @pedro ? Sorry could not resist.

  • @pedro said:
    This thread has my vote for the most pointless useless exchange of arguments I’ve ever seen in the ten years or so I’ve been here, on an otherwise super nice and helpful forum

  • All I know is I am super offended by anyone with the nerve to state their personal point of view.
    🤫

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    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr there are guitarists & there are guitar string pluckers

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

    Nah, they would just argue about guitars, pickups, strings, picks, pedals, cables, amps, tubes, speakers,...
    Oh, wait.
    They already do that.
    😊

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    @stormbeats said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr there are guitarists & there are guitar string pluckers and even worse guitar emulation plugins/vst etc. Though I guess I can sort of not mind that too much. As long as the producer does not say “ i just done a *ucking bad azz solo’ . Its the same reason I have for my original post.

    ” Check out this “hiphop” beat I made with the bad azz sample packs” “ oh wow “dude” that rocks” “where you get the drums from “dude” Reply “ah man this sample pack *uck where the drums came from originally cos MY beat is smoking hot’ That is so laughable. I guess you agree with this but hey I guess hip hop has no true meaning or reason.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr now to you I say this peacefully. This thread has made us all actually contribute something including yourself. Cheers I really think we will all go mad if it goes on much longer. What do you reckon?

  • @stormbeats said:

    @stormbeats said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr there are guitarists & there are guitar string pluckers and even worse guitar emulation plugins/vst etc. Though I guess I can sort of not mind that too much. As long as the producer does not say “ i just done a *ucking bad azz solo’ . Its the same reason I have for my original post.

    ” Check out this “hiphop” beat I made with the bad azz sample packs” “ oh wow “dude” that rocks” “where you get the drums from “dude” Reply “ah man this sample pack *uck where the drums came from originally” I guess you agree with this but hey I guess hip hop has no true meaning or reason.

    The meaning comes from the artist, not the materials he uses.

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    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @stormbeats said:

    @stormbeats said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Jonny8 said:
    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr No matter how competent they are, there is no context that they could recontextualize in a meaningful way. What is the context of the sound material contained in an app like chompler? Who made it and why was it made? How can the user relate to the material on a personal level?

    I think with regard to the first two questions, not many people care about that. Wrt the last, I relate to sounds. My reaction to the sound is what makes it personal, not the way I obtained it.

    If we followed this logic all the way down, we’d expect guitarists to build their own guitars, and grow the trees they use to build the guitars.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr there are guitarists & there are guitar string pluckers and even worse guitar emulation plugins/vst etc. Though I guess I can sort of not mind that too much. As long as the producer does not say “ i just done a *ucking bad azz solo’ . Its the same reason I have for my original post.

    ” Check out this “hiphop” beat I made with the bad azz sample packs” “ oh wow “dude” that rocks” “where you get the drums from “dude” Reply “ah man this sample pack *uck where the drums came from originally” I guess you agree with this but hey I guess hip hop has no true meaning or reason.

    The meaning comes from the artist, not the materials he uses.

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr you have for the first time said something I can relate to “artist”. Though you could of said “she’ as well. Just saying Sample Packs=Stencils & Obscure rare sample digging = Fine Art.

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  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr artist & material are one. But your getting there you did say “artist”.

  • I gotta be honest here. I get the feeling that at least one or two of you saying “real artists” don’t use sample packs are a little mad that there are people who use prefab samples making more money and are more well known than you.

    Be honest with yourself, why are you really mad?

  • @DukeWonder said:
    I gotta be honest here. I get the feeling that at least one or two of you saying “real artists” don’t use sample packs are a little mad that there are people who use prefab samples making more money and are more well known than you.

    Be honest with yourself, why are you really mad?

    @DukeWonder yes making more money but did they take the time to listen to your music you posted earlier Your 1st creation, I did. Underground will live forever . We listen closely

  • @DukeWonder not mad but you might want to understand where hip hop came from & why. Its a music from the down trodden areas of new york city and just like with Jazz etc it gets re packaged. Underground hip hop is not going to ever be pimped out. Never. Its a new day. While your there or here goto youtube type Skullsnaps Its A New Day.

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  • @DukeWonder eff it Lesson 4. Heres some drums for you. Welcome to the chamber

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    Creativity, vision and inspiration is really what matters. I relied heavily on premade samples for both of my albums and they were well received by Djs and producers. There is no point in creating original material if the song never gets done, which is what happens to most producers.

  • @DukeWonder @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr The Bronx New York. Come for a tour sometime.

  • Its not just music its a culture

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