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Indeed.
That sounds like a cool setup.
I messed around with trying to add some tape collage through FX back when I was a bass player. I would create tape collages with a Tascam 4-track, and play the cassette back using a portable recorder with a built in speaker. Put the speaker by your pickup, and you have my DIY version of, I don’t know, something. 😊
Something that I think most of us are probably too old (or, let's say, "experienced") to realize is exactly how music has changed. It used to be that you defined yourself by how you created your personal soundtrack. You'd read magazines, listen to the cool radio stations in town, look at the band logos on the loner kid's notebook to get clues. There was a LOT of orthodoxy back then. @stormbeats. If you liked punk, you didn't admit that Aerosmith had great songs. Similarly, if you were a Ted Nugent fan, you de facto hated disco — even though you probably never heard any.
It was a revelation when the Beastie Boys sampled "When the Levee Breaks." (I always assumed it was metalhead Rick Rubin who did it, but according to the excellent recent Beastie Boys book/movie, it was Adam Horowitz, who strung a reel-to-reel tape look in his Brooklyn Heights apartment.)
Today, though, most kids aren't trying to connect with history. Everything is available, and everything is free! I mean, I nearly lost my mind when I heard the new Run the Jewels record sampled "Ether" by Gang of Four. I don't think ANY of their young fans care at all. It's just a sound. I think it's kind of noble how nonhierarchical the kids are.
Last GET OFF OF MY LAWN! comment:
It's weird when you kids use "vinyl" as a noun. It's a record, not a vinyl!
@ExAsperis99 its actually the youth who are embracing old school traditions. We tend to blame them .I also dj a lot and infact here in London the youth want to hear a lot of old school stuff Also I get a lot of younger producers asking me info about hardware samplers & where can they get good rare samples. The youth are actually carrying the torch for integrity.
@ExAsperis99 Aerosmith are not punk mate. Sex Pistols Malcolm McClaren The Clash B52s Banshees English Beat etc are.
You're a little bit over your skis here, youngster! I wrote that if you LIKED punk rock (the Pistols, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, etc), you were not allowed to admit that "Sweet Emotion" was a killer track.
(Although I love the idea that the B52s were punk!
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But I remember a young band opening for us in the 90s in Ohio somewhere. They were all dressed like they were straight out of "Saturday Night Fever" — polyester shirts with huge collars, bellbottoms, chunky shoes. We were all like, Oh, this is intriguing. And they came on and sounded like Stiff Little Fingers!
I was totally confused. Disco and Irish punk are polar opposites! But then I understood the perspective of the kids onstage. To them, it's all the 70s, who cares? And they were right.
That night all my hair fell out, and I became OLD.
@ExAsperis99 Of course you are right, that culture is always changing. I was just thinking, that what you are describing is probably what used to be the "radio listener". People who would turn on the radio every day and know the current charts but who would never really go and buy a record or cd. The casual listeners and the proper music fans have somehow merged into one single group of "streamers" today.
Some Kids still like punk
@Jonny8 Kind of awesome and also ridiculous. (Same as punk!) But this is definitely more punk that a bunch of white dudes with guitars playing anti-establishment pop songs in 2020.
On another end of the spectrum, I saw Christeene play at a Genesis P. Orridge art exhibit in Los Angeles last year. It was WAY more transgressive than the Dead Kennedys show I saw in upstate New York in 1986. It was transcendent, but it's not for everybody.
@ExAsperis99 youngster? Me? Wish my 2 grandkids & daughter who was married last year thought that . Mate Iam 48. I just eat well
@ExAsperis99
It's not for everybody
She's also in a duo with her dad. They are recording while actually on the road.
Hahaha
@ExAsperis99 hahaha
This is punk!
And sampling!
And hip-hop!
@ExAsperis99 @stormbeats 😂
@ExAsperis99
this bit more punk to me
@ExAsperis99
not much different . Punk & hip hop hand in hand. Its all Anarchy sold to the masses
@ExAsperis99 and to any moderators. Just highlighting the point that punk is cross platform & sadly it ends badly. Deep thought. Its real. Rest In Peace Sid Vicious Kurt Cobain and the others
Hahaha class
@ExAsperis99 said:
Weirder as verb, like, "Hey mom, I revinyled Steely Dan song and use it in my new tune! Listen!"
Ha!
I saw this at IG and finally found my contribution to this topic.
😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant, just brilliant
@TheDubbyLabby @Gavinski yes there is a difference.
That girl will go with the others... ah you were trying to point elegance as difference... mmm I will say purism but I don't want to argue... it made no sense back in the day when all the references that had been exposed made Culture in their present moment with the tools of that moment and some of them made history and money at that same moment (and some never more) because just 10 years later nobody cared anymore (90 to 00, 00 to 10 and 10 to 20...)
I respect the choice of purist due they are necessary as forward thinkers, even more of the seconds don't know they are (just kids playin' to be pimps) and even the firsts argue about tooling on AudioBus forums... to make a point about all this generation bias nosense 20 years ago using a portable for scratching was seen as cheese but how purism (and elitism in turntablism over the years) wrecked is... those times you MUST use technics (even vestax or numark weren't truly allowed) but they weren't affordable for the young but now you need to expend 500 bucks on tunning a pt01 to make it even less useful than a technics which you can buy for 400 bucks... but we are talking about ghettos, Culture, Artform... mmmm BS. I will mention the NY77 Blackout as source for expensive tooling going in the poor hands and also P2P networks in the next generation as the same principle (for music and for tools like Fruity Loops and so on).
Kids who carry the Artform nowadays are mostly son, nephews (or even grandson) from people who had the tools at home and usually argue about using new things until they embrace them (like the portables). Most of them not doing a living from them (they will say to keep the Artform but mostly because it means take the hobbie as job and understand that a tool is a tool...) but ranting on and on over the years in all the internet corners.
As I said, Purism is ok (to certain degree) due it's necessary to keep some inner point against forward thinkers (and commercial attacks like it seems to point somehow the OP) but limiting the young is becoming THAT you fought back in the day with the Culture...
I don't care if someone thinks what I make is or not HipHop... there is people in my town making a living from when I made radio, jams and set spaces to graff and breakdancing so my contribution to other human beings and fingerprint in the history is more than done due I was just trying to give young people an exit that school never get, try to grow them as individuals with own criteria and so on. I made my choices and I regret some but it was, end of history.
Nowadays Reggaeton and Electrolatin are the new pimpin' music and most artists just do whatever to make money... I use samplepacks oh... jail me in the golden jail of HipHop rules... that jail who made underground irrelevant in the era where we have more communication than ever...
There is no true new scene, just branches and roots arguing one vs the other meanwhile the tree gets sick and dies... Trap? Electrolatin? Samplepacks? AI drums? AI split songs?
Just do your thing so well that you make an example (inspiration) or stfm... (said it lovely but firmly)
jm2c about the on and on and on and on...
In fact I feel from some recently time ago the need to go back into hardware (going against my 90s self) and ditch iPads for gigs. I'm getting older definitely (few days ago I hit 40yo) but not as posse but as constraint as I pointed. I will still use apps in the studio but different approach for sure (I also hate Ableton btw).
I even considering get again an SP or even an MPC (I've lost my mind @kobamoto I know) but I can't find a hardware tool doing truly the clip thing (maybe the DJS1000 or MC707) and exporting stems (I will need logic for that too... oh shit myself)... Maybe I need to get an old motorized surface controller or directly a Roland VS...? MV?
Lots of space, lots of money, lots of time making them work and keeping them mint condition... mmm but iPads aren't going where I need neither... nor macs...
And I still try to improve some turntable related tools due I'm obsessed (and masochist) but just a contribution (there is no true money on portablism, just crap made luxury...) but as usual in my contributions it seems no one doing those anywhere... and brands selling again uberexpensive gear (look at Denon).
Almost samplepacks are cheap U know?
Please don't take this personal and start a discussion, just take it as opinion and walk on... I will not care anyway and I will not take it personal neither. To lost friends is better to talk about plandemic on fb...
Stay safe. Take care.
Back to work here.
Peace.
@TheDubbyLabby I honestly have to say that I don't understand your point entirely. It is a very long post and seems to mix a lot of thoughts together. Criticising a trend towards the commercialisation of music technology and musical techniques has nothing to do with purism. Quite obviously everybody can use whatever techniques they want in the creation of whatever kind of music. The OP starts with "Not to say “you should not” but..."
Saying "you should only use turntable A because it is the only cool turntable" is not the same as pointing out that the concept of commercial sample packs neglects the histories of the very cultures they are trying to infiltrate.
If the roots of your metaphorical tree are the history, then sample packs are lice sitting on the leaves at the very end of those many branches. Don't neglect the roots.
This whole thread has also made me think a lot about apple and ios. I really wish in app purchases were restricted to functionality and didn't include extra content. Extra content should only be available externally via the content providers website. That way IAPs could be used to demo apps much more efficiently. I also really don't understand why apple should get a share from other peoples content. They provide an app store so they get a share from the sales of the software. It's a bit like bookstores demanding a fee from the authors for carrying their books.
@TheDubbyLabby when you are participating in an already ongoing discussion, please don't tell people to not react to the points you have made. And please don't say that you will not care about people's reactions to your posts. It's rude and also quite pointless.
Thanks, but I know all that. My doubts about the switch are because it will be an on/off switch as opposed to a x-fader that will lower the volume progressively. Not to mention it looks tiny so I don’t see it as much more than a gimmick.
Your point about 2nd hand is very reasonable, and thanks for your feedback on the sp01. For the price I’m not expecting much, but it has usb digital out so it may serve my needs of sampling my records, complete with surface noise.
@TheDubbyLabby there is a difference. Peace
Ok you missed my point entirely, on/off switches have been used for years, on/off works fine for scratching, and the smaller movement the better, so not sure why that would be a gimmick haha.
The best scratch crossfaders ever made are set to on/off (no fade) and have near zero cut in (less movement than the PT01 to go from off to on)
So i'm not sure where you get your info to "know all that" but pretty much all your conclusions are wrong.
PT01 Switch is not an optical fader by any means, but gimmick, nope.