LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

lukesleepwalker

@sinosoidal said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
@sinosoidal Really digging LK! Quick question about probability: right now, I can control the probability of a note either playing or not, which is useful. But it would be even more useful if I could select three notes and assign them to a "probability group" that only allows one to play at a time. So, for instance, I select two notes and put them in a probability group that plays one of the notes but not the other. If I select three notes, it randomly plays one of the three notes each time through the sequence. This is especially helpful for creating some variation in melodies and bass lines. Right now, the probability in these use cases can play a chord (more than one note plays) or silence, which is not always optimal. Anyway, an idea.

Definitely a great suggestion. I will write this down. Thanks for your feedback!

Cool, thanks for listening!

Samu

I'm wondering if it's possible to make sure that when LK is closed in AUM that the LPPro3 would leave session mode?

Currently when closing LK in AUM the LPPro3 is stuck in session mode...
(Ie. the session light is still on even though the LPPRo3 is not connected to any session).

When I for example close Ampify Launcpad (Which also uses session mode) the LPPro3 goes out of session mode when the app is closed. The manual mentions some SysEX strings that are used to toggle session mode on/off.

I am a LP newbie so this could be a 'user error' as well...
...I've read the manuals more than once but I'm not a master of the device yet but I do love the built-in sequencer

sinosoidal

@Samu said:
I'm wondering if it's possible to make sure that when LK is closed in AUM that the LPPro3 would leave session mode?

Currently when closing LK in AUM the LPPro3 is stuck in session mode...
(Ie. the session light is still on even though the LPPRo3 is not connected to any session).

When I for example close Ampify Launcpad (Which also uses session mode) the LPPro3 goes out of session mode when the app is closed. The manual mentions some SysEX strings that are used to toggle session mode on/off.

I am a LP newbie so this could be a 'user error' as well...
...I've read the manuals more than once but I'm not a master of the device yet but I do love the built-in sequencer

By closed you mean terminated and not minimized, correct?

Yes, in order to shutdown the controller from DAW mode we need to send a sysex message. Right now, you can disable the controller from Menu -> Controllers, if you untoggle the controller it should leave from session mode.

We need to verify why the disconnect messages are not being upon termination. Thanks for raising this matter.

sinosoidal

@auxmux said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked, but is it possible to match clips colors to the pads on the Launchpad X?

It is possible but it will require a huge amount of work. I've explained before but in summary, as far as we got it from the specification, in order to use RGB on leds, we need to be in programmer mode, which puts the controllers in a mode where it is fully customizable and we need to program everything, including the behaviour of the notes mode.

It would be easier to match LK colors to the ones provided by default by Launchpad.

Samu

@sinosoidal said:

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By closed you mean terminated and not minimized, correct?

Yepp, that's what I mean, 'kill the app'.

Yes, in order to shutdown the controller from DAW mode we need to send a sysex message. Right now, you can disable the controller from Menu -> Controllers, if you untoggle the controller it should leave from session mode.

Thanks, I'll try to remember that.
(Just noticed there is no need to route any midi to LK, it does it auto-magically).

We need to verify why the disconnect messages are not being upon termination. Thanks for raising this matter.

That's the least I can do. I'm still familiarizing myself with the LPPro3

Another 'thing' that I know maybe tricky to fix is to allow the play button to control AUM transport when using host sync?
(Maybe I just need to use the DAW Port and Midi-Learn in AUM?).

In session mode the LPPro3 has a nice button to toggle the metronome but I've not found a way to route that feature to toggle the AUM metronome and as far as I know LK doesn't have it's own metronome or?

I'm still learning...
/Samuel

gregsmith

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:

@tahiche said:

@gregsmith said:
I finally made a virtual clip launcher using MidiPad 2

It’s not perfect as you have to manually untoggle pads. The scene buttons work though or you can swipe the row of pads. The buttons at the bottom stop each track.

It’ll do for now but could do with a dedicated app for this, or a new controller for LK.

Insta version if you prefer: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CMH3GWCpM8p/?igshid=i7e4vckwe8yq

This is very cool indeed. But if I may ask... what’s the advantage of using the smaller screen when you have all the clips in front of you in Lk?

In theory, the main advantage is that you can mess with all the other faders and knobs etc. in AUM without LK taking up the screen - same as if you have a hardware launchpad.

It was really of just to see if I could do it though tbh!

@sinosoidal said:

👌🙌

And you did it! 👍

Then promptly ordered a launchpad pro! 😂

It would indeed be helpful if using the controller mode/screen in LK. Talking about the controller... I’ve not been able to use it as is, I don’t understand why the whole controller is mapped to a single midi channel. I think you should be able to assign midi channel per control as this is a global performance tool. As is, you can’t control individual AUM channels with it, like volumes. Unless you mal everything in aum to a single midi channel and so on, but that’s a hassle.

I have an akai lpd8 and lpk25 so with the launchpad I’m hoping that will be enough knobs, pads and keys to have a good session with just hardware controllers.

Could do with some Bluetooth faders though...

SoNoob

Question about the LPPmk3 implementation.
Is the print to clip implemented? Or am I just doing something wrong?

Sometimes I use it standalone with hardware and would like to dump track sequences into LK later.
If not, no biggie, I can manually record midi from the sequencer or print it to ableton and export/import.

(my skin gets itchy at the thought of opening up ableton)

edit: one additional question. The LPP doesnt show which clip is actually playing. They all just stay lit in a channel. They do flash when I stop playback. Is this normal behavior?

Synthi

@auxmux said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked, but is it possible to match clips colors to the pads on the Launchpad X?

Please! Received my LPX yesterday and when tried with LK seen that the colours don´t match... I was to write a post about that!

Synthi

@sinosoidal said:

@auxmux said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked, but is it possible to match clips colors to the pads on the Launchpad X?

It is possible but it will require a huge amount of work. I've explained before but in summary, as far as we got it from the specification, in order to use RGB on leds, we need to be in programmer mode, which puts the controllers in a mode where it is fully customizable and we need to program everything, including the behaviour of the notes mode.

It would be easier to match LK colors to the ones provided by default by Launchpad.

Ok... and what are the default colours?? anyone?

Samu

@Synthi said:

@sinosoidal said:

Ok... and what are the default colours?? anyone?

From the programmer manual

wim

@sinosoidal said:

@tahiche said:
It would indeed be helpful if using the controller mode/screen in LK. Talking about the controller... I’ve not been able to use it as is, I don’t understand why the whole controller is mapped to a single midi channel. I think you should be able to assign midi channel per control as this is a global performance tool. As is, you can’t control individual AUM channels with it, like volumes. Unless you mal everything in aum to a single midi channel and so on, but that’s a hassle.

The forthcomming 1.10.2 will address that issue with the ability to select channel, cc, min value, max value and color for each control element.

Nice!! Thank you so much!

AlmostAnonymous

@auxmux said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked, but is it possible to match clips colors to the pads on the Launchpad X?

It is possible but it will require a huge amount of work. I've explained before but in summary, as far as we got it from the specification, in order to use RGB on leds, we need to be in programmer mode, which puts the controllers in a mode where it is fully customizable and we need to program everything, including the behaviour of the notes mode.

It would be easier to match LK colors to the ones provided by default by Launchpad.

Hrmmm......sounds like something for the “Request new Mozaic Scripts HERE” thread to reformat colors?

Jamie_Mallender

soundtemple

@Jamie_Mallender haha you added the Multi-track bit. I saw your post on Paul's latest video. The looping feature is cool hey

Jamie_Mallender

@soundtemple said:
@Jamie_Mallender haha you added the Multi-track bit. I saw your post on Paul's latest video. The looping feature is cool hey

Sure is! I decided what the hell, it was already a super long video. Why not make it 10 mins longer. 😂 I did kind of feel like kicking his backside for him somewhat.

soundtemple

@Jamie_Mallender yeah.. only had a quick peak at the vid so far. Saving it for later with some popcorn and a choctop! Thanks for putting it together. Seems like a hot topic atm.

I've been finding LK is quite heavy on the CPU. With say 12 empty clips playing my CPU is around 60-70% (1024 buffer setting, iPad Pro - no other apps. Just an AUM session)
Not sure whats going on there. Have you encountered that? Doesn't look like it by the amount of things you had going on in the session.

lukesleepwalker

@soundtemple said:
@Jamie_Mallender yeah.. only had a quick peak at the vid so far. Saving it for later with some popcorn and a choctop! Thanks for putting it together. Seems like a hot topic atm.

I've been finding LK is quite heavy on the CPU. With say 12 empty clips playing my CPU is around 60-70% (1024 buffer setting, iPad Pro - no other apps. Just an AUM session)
Not sure whats going on there. Have you encountered that? Doesn't look like it by the amount of things you had going on in the session.

Noted the same on the CPU although adding actual MIDI data doesn’t seem to add much to the load?

soundtemple

@lukesleepwalker ah ok interesting. Doesn't leave much room for instruments and effects though?

Jamie_Mallender

@lukesleepwalker said:

@soundtemple said:
@Jamie_Mallender yeah.. only had a quick peak at the vid so far. Saving it for later with some popcorn and a choctop! Thanks for putting it together. Seems like a hot topic atm.

I've been finding LK is quite heavy on the CPU. With say 12 empty clips playing my CPU is around 60-70% (1024 buffer setting, iPad Pro - no other apps. Just an AUM session)
Not sure whats going on there. Have you encountered that? Doesn't look like it by the amount of things you had going on in the session.

Noted the same on the CPU although adding actual MIDI data doesn’t seem to add much to the load?

No, that’s not been my experience at all. If I remove all the AUV3’s from a project and just run a large LK project we are looking at about 4% to 6% DSP. My iPad is a 2017 5th gen ordinary iPad. My projects have been running glitch free apart from when I’m screen recording and using the Bluetooth mouse which I have to do for the videos.

branis

@soundtemple said:
@Jamie_Mallender yeah.. only had a quick peak at the vid so far. Saving it for later with some popcorn and a choctop! Thanks for putting it together. Seems like a hot topic atm.

I've been finding LK is quite heavy on the CPU. With say 12 empty clips playing my CPU is around 60-70% (1024 buffer setting, iPad Pro - no other apps. Just an AUM session)
Not sure whats going on there. Have you encountered that? Doesn't look like it by the amount of things you had going on in the session.

I think your iPad is using low powered cores as long as they can handle the CPU load. Try adding some instruments and see if the CPU loads drops.

soundtemple

@branis @Jamie_Mallender

Mine runs at 6_7% with no clips playing but clips playing it seems very high.

I removed instruments because cpu was causing me grief and I wanted to find out what was going on. The low powered cores is an interesting theory. Not heard of such a thing

CPU seems to be my number 1 issue on iOS. Probably because I am an over complicator. Good lessons in keeping it simple 😜

branis

@soundtemple said:
@branis @Jamie_Mallender

Mine runs at 6_7% with no clips playing but clips playing it seems very high.

I removed instruments because cpu was causing me grief and I wanted to find out what was going on. The low powered cores is an interesting theory. Not heard of such a thing

CPU seems to be my number 1 issue on iOS. Probably because I am an over complicator. Good lessons in keeping it simple 😜

I had a moment of disappointment when I got my new 10.2 2020 iPad with an A12 CPU and compared it to my old 9.7 2017 one with an A9. When I loaded a simple AUM project the CPU load was actually higher on my new iPad, but as soon as I added more plugins it dropped dramatically. Since the A9 has no power efficient cores I concluded that my new iPad must have been using the slow cores until they couldn't handle the load and then switched to the fast ones.

White

@sinosoidal

In the new beta:

• When importing a midi file that has only one track, the contents are imported without adding new track

This works fine and also when importing only one track from a midi file with more than one track 👍

Jumpercollins

@sinosoidal in the new beta with the controller if I set it up to control the volume of my first track ch1 cc3 as shown hit midi learn in AUM nothing happens when I press learn then touch the volume control inside LK Controller?

Is there anyway we can use the controller to learn and control on different channels inside AUM like midi mixer does from 4 Pockets. Hope so as LK could be a all in one controller for AUM.

It’s great you can match the colours now inside the controller to AUM new colour nodes.

lukesleepwalker

@Jamie_Mallender said:

@lukesleepwalker said:

@soundtemple said:
@Jamie_Mallender yeah.. only had a quick peak at the vid so far. Saving it for later with some popcorn and a choctop! Thanks for putting it together. Seems like a hot topic atm.

I've been finding LK is quite heavy on the CPU. With say 12 empty clips playing my CPU is around 60-70% (1024 buffer setting, iPad Pro - no other apps. Just an AUM session)
Not sure whats going on there. Have you encountered that? Doesn't look like it by the amount of things you had going on in the session.

Noted the same on the CPU although adding actual MIDI data doesn’t seem to add much to the load?

No, that’s not been my experience at all. If I remove all the AUV3’s from a project and just run a large LK project we are looking at about 4% to 6% DSP. My iPad is a 2017 5th gen ordinary iPad. My projects have been running glitch free apart from when I’m screen recording and using the Bluetooth mouse which I have to do for the videos.

Thanks for the tip. You are indeed correct! I’ve got it sorted now. If you can fix the missing AUv3s in AUM (and the incessant nodes that need to be reloaded in AUM) I would appreciate your guidance!

Thacapos

@SoNoob said:
Question about the LPPmk3 implementation.
Is the print to clip implemented? Or am I just doing something wrong?

Sometimes I use it standalone with hardware and would like to dump track sequences into LK later.
If not, no biggie, I can manually record midi from the sequencer or print it to ableton and export/import.

(my skin gets itchy at the thought of opening up ableton)

edit: one additional question. The LPP doesnt show which clip is actually playing. They all just stay lit in a channel. They do flash when I stop playback. Is this normal behavior?

I think you have to connect the midi clock in aum with the launchpad, then the active tracks should flash when playing

Synthi

@Samu said:

@Synthi said:

@sinosoidal said:

Ok... and what are the default colours?? anyone?

From the programmer manual

Thanks!!!

w_iro

Is it possible to record, for example, an 8 bar midi loop, and then the recording turns off? Something like fixed length recording in Ableton

Samu

@w_iro said:
Is it possible to record, for example, an 8 bar midi loop, and then the recording turns off? Something like fixed length recording in Ableton

Only way I've found to do that is to create an empty clip, set its length and record to it...
My LPPro3 has a nice fix length button that would be nice to utilize in LK as well

I have no clue on what @sinosoidal has planned for LK in the future.

sinosoidal

@Jumpercollins said:
@sinosoidal in the new beta with the controller if I set it up to control the volume of my first track ch1 cc3 as shown hit midi learn in AUM nothing happens when I press learn then touch the volume control inside LK Controller?

Is there anyway we can use the controller to learn and control on different channels inside AUM like midi mixer does from 4 Pockets. Hope so as LK could be a all in one controller for AUM.

It’s great you can match the colours now inside the controller to AUM new colour nodes.

It seems you are not selecting a output device in status bar. The midi is not being sent at all.