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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • @ecamburn said:

    @Carnbot said:

    Yeah, crop the clip to the loop brace as Ableton does it, would be very handy.

    Loop braces are there. Light green bar on top of piano roll

    Yeah the loop braces are key to the workflow in this app, but it will be better when/if we are able to crop the clips to the loop length.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @ecamburn said:
    Loop braces are there. Light green bar on top of piano roll

    Not always:

    Here you can see most of the loop brace, sometimes it disappears completely.

    Does anyone know how to get the loop braces to reappear on the top of the piano roll?

  • @White said:
    Does anyone know how to get the loop braces to reappear on the top of the piano roll?

    Ok I found the answer.

    1. Save The projekt in AUM
    2. Close AUM
    3. Open AUM
    4. Load the project

  • edited July 2020

    @dmnc said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Is that what the Controller IAP does?

    No the controller is a knobs/sliders and pads device.

    For controller, the CC parameters per knob / item can't be customized right now. Definitely would like this flexibility.

    You can customize the CCs, if you pull up the menu from the bottom. There are even 4 banks.

    Thanks. It's a little tricky but you need hold assign and then select a control to change. It would be helpful if the midi channel was knob or bank independent. Right now it's same across all banks and knobs.

  • @auxmux said:
    Thanks. It's a little tricky but you need hold assign and then select a control to change. It would be helpful if the midi channel was knob or bank independent. Right now it's same across all banks and knobs.

    Makes sense. We will consider this in future updates.

  • @White said:

    @White said:
    Does anyone know how to get the loop braces to reappear on the top of the piano roll?

    Ok I found the answer.

    1. Save The projekt in AUM
    2. Close AUM
    3. Open AUM
    4. Load the project

    That seems like a display bug doesn’t it?

  • @ecamburn said:
    That seems like a display bug doesn’t it?

    Indeed! :blush:

  • Is there going to be an LK sale at all ?
    My furlough wallet is struggling to put food on the table

  • i’m curious if you can set the scale somewhere in this app for the piano rool and chorder...i don’t know scales or want to learn them unless i’m “weighting postage” on a scale... any one know

  • edited July 2020

    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Can I also suggest clip crop

    Between start and stop?

    Yeah, crop the clip to the loop brace as Ableton does it, would be very handy.

    Loop braces are there. Light green bar on top of piano roll

    Not always:

    Here you can see most of the loop brace, sometimes it disappears completely.

    I noticed the same thing. To fix this double tap the auv3 window to resize to the default size. They should reappear.

  • edited July 2020

    Thanks @Jmousseau72, at least a workaround for now.

    @sinosoidal Wasn't there a FOLD function for the piano roll like in Live? Not sure, maybe I'm mixing it up with another app.
    That would also help @Carnbot somewhat.

    Edit: Sorry, I must have had https://liine.net/en/products/lemur/premium/livecontrol-2/ in mind.

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @auxmux said:
    Thanks. It's a little tricky but you need hold assign and then select a control to change. It would be helpful if the midi channel was knob or bank independent. Right now it's same across all banks and knobs.

    Makes sense. We will consider this in future updates.

    Thank you.

  • edited July 2020

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

  • @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

  • @ecamburn said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

    Yes, this would work also.

  • @ecamburn said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

    fold? what’s this?

  • @reasOne said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

    fold? what’s this?

    Folding in Abletalk means showing only note lanes in the piano roll that have notes on them.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @reasOne said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

    fold? what’s this?

    Folding in Abletalk means showing only note lanes in the piano roll that have notes on them.

    ahhh ok i thought it was an app i missed 🤣 i’ve used ableton since v4 but guess i never caught that lingo... makes sense now

  • edited July 2020

    @reasOne said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @reasOne said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yeah custom scales on the piano roll would be a nice feature, you can set them in the chorder, but not piano roll. Drag up the chorder control panel from the bottom for options.

    Yes! Custom scales on piano roll would make sequencing very straightforward. Would love this.

    Fold would facilitate this I think.

    fold? what’s this?

    Folding in Abletalk means showing only note lanes in the piano roll that have notes on them.

    ahhh ok i thought it was an app i missed 🤣 i’ve used ableton since v4 but guess i never caught that lingo... makes sense now

    Travel with forum.appb.us 😁

  • Ok, so I understand that LK is a much bigger program, with all of its different features like being a control surface for Ableton and all, but I am totally failing to see where the piano roll in LK’s Matrix is better than Atom.

    Someone please show me!

  • edited July 2020

    It’s the clip / scene aspect that’s gotten our attention. Till now, there’s hasn’t really been a good AUv3 midi clip launcher, if there even was one before this. I do agree, Atom’s piano roll is more polished - but Atom doesn’t do clips either.

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Ok, so I understand that LK is a much bigger program, with all of its different features like being a control surface for Ableton and all, but I am totally failing to see where the piano roll in LK’s Matrix is better than Atom.

    Someone please show me!

  • @Intrepolicious said:
    Ok, so I understand that LK is a much bigger program, with all of its different features like being a control surface for Ableton and all, but I am totally failing to see where the piano roll in LK’s Matrix is better than Atom.

    Someone please show me!

    First of all, @sinosoidal is obviously planning to improve it and listen to user requests. He's done a great job with his/their other products recently and I trust him that we'll experience that again.
    Second, I find it faster to use with less taps to put notes.
    Third, I can have a large number of clips while you would need many ATOM instances for that and still you wouldn't really be able to jam with your patterns, let alone the missing scene feature that lets you launch and stop whole groups of patterns while still having access to the track enable buttons.
    Have you ever worked with the scenes mode in Ableton Live?

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Intrepolicious said:
    Ok, so I understand that LK is a much bigger program, with all of its different features like being a control surface for Ableton and all, but I am totally failing to see where the piano roll in LK’s Matrix is better than Atom.

    Someone please show me!

    First of all, @sinosoidal is obviously planning to improve it and listen to user requests. He's done a great job with his/their other products recently and I trust him that we'll experience that again.
    Second, I find it faster to use with less taps to put notes.
    Third, I can have a large number of clips while you would need many ATOM instances for that and still you wouldn't really be able to jam with your patterns, let alone the missing scene feature that lets you launch and stop whole groups of patterns while still having access to the track enable buttons.
    Have you ever worked with the scenes mode in Ableton Live?

    Not much. I mostly use Ableton in arrangement view, when I do use it. I am willing to learn though!

    I think the main thing for me (in LK) is the lack of labeling. There’s nothing on the buttons or different sections anywhere that tell you what does what. I’ve looked at the manual and figured a few things out and finally have midi going out and controlling synths in AUM, but for a new user looking at it for the first time, it’s not very intuitive.

    And speaking of “in AUM”, is it better to use this standalone, or as a midi processor in AUM?

    I’m confused, so say I want a small collection of 3 midi clips in a “scene” right, and I want each of these 3 clips to drive one of 3 different synths; in a typical standalone setting, you’d map out each midi clip to their respective midi channel and set each synth to receive on said channel.

    But as an AUv3 loaded in AUM as a midi processor, I’m guessing AUM’s midi matrix is kind of redundant, because I wouldn’t want to load multiple instances of LK (although we can.. because it’s AUv3) because all my midi clips are contained in the first, single instance. Right? So I’m back to mapping out midi channels anyway?

  • @Intrepolicious said:
    Ok, so I understand that LK is a much bigger program, with all of its different features like being a control surface for Ableton and all, but I am totally failing to see where the piano roll in LK’s Matrix is better than Atom.

    Someone please show me!

    I find atom really frustrating. The notch on my phone hides half the controls in AB so I Have to keep flipping my device. It zooms on x any y axis simultaneously so is really hard to use precisely. Increasing amount of bars takes ages. Plus it’s basically been abandoned.

    LK isn’t exactly easy to use yet, especially on iPhone, but I’d rather put my energy into learning an app that’s in development and has loads of other good features.

    They just need to copy the piano roll in xequence :)

  • @Intrepolicious said:

    I think the main thing for me (in LK) is the lack of labeling. There’s nothing on the buttons or different sections anywhere that tell you what does what. I’ve looked at the manual and figured a few things out and finally have midi going out and controlling synths in AUM, but for a new user looking at it for the first time, it’s not very intuitive.

    We like to keep things clean. Some programs are more intuitive than others. No program is 100% intuitive, specially when it has a LOT of functions. The difference is how much time you get to learn a new tool. Intuitive programs are usually faster because.... they are intuive! :)

    And speaking of “in AUM”, is it better to use this standalone, or as a midi processor in AUM?

    We still have that question ourselves. We kept it as an Audio Unit Music Device because this kind of devices can also play sound and we have a metronome. But you could use it as a Midi Generator only. The only difference is that it will not play audio.

    I’m confused, so say I want a small collection of 3 midi clips in a “scene” right, and I want each of these 3 clips to drive one of 3 different synths; in a typical standalone setting, you’d map out each midi clip to their respective midi channel and set each synth to receive on said channel.

    But as an AUv3 loaded in AUM as a midi processor, I’m guessing AUM’s midi matrix is kind of redundant, because I wouldn’t want to load multiple instances of LK (although we can.. because it’s AUv3) because all my midi clips are contained in the first, single instance. Right? So I’m back to mapping out midi channels anyway?

    Please have a look to this video. It has been shared in this thread before but it will not hurt to be shared again. In this video we show how to make music with LK using three different instruments (2 hardware, 1 software).

    The video has been made while there wasn't AUv3 support yet, but the only difference in the flow are the midi in and out names. This will help you get started:

  • @Intrepolicious I have followed numerous discussions about sequencing and DAW concepts and the most important conclusion I've drawn out of them is that there is no such thing as the best DAW or sequencer. Everybody has his own preferred workflow.

    If you've used Ableton's arrangement view more than the scenes view then maybe LK's concept isn't for you. Fair enough! Use whatever feels right for you 😊

    It just seems that many of us have been waiting for exactly what LK is now about to introduce in the AUv3 sequencing world and I'm one of them.

  • @sinosoidal

    I think the pianoroll editor works really well, it is very easy to use 😊

    However, I found an issue when selecting multiple notes and adjusting the length.

    Sometimes only the note I'm dragging is changed and sometimes all the selected notes are changed.

    I would expect all the selected notes to change length.

    Example:

    I select then three notes and drag the one in the middle, only the one I drag is affected.

    When I drag the one at the bottom all three notes are affected.

  • edited July 2020

    Dude, gifs! This changes everything! :o

    I found some similar quirks. If you recorded a phrase, then highlight all notes in that phrase, watch what happens when you move the phrase so that the first note is on step one, then continue to move your finger left of step 1.

    @White said:
    @sinosoidal

    I think the pianoroll editor works really well, it is very easy to use 😊

    However, I found an issue when selecting multiple notes and adjusting the length.

    Sometimes only the note I'm dragging is changed and sometimes all the selected notes are changed.

    I would expect all the selected notes to change length.

    Example:

    I select then three notes and drag the one in the middle, only the one I drag is affected.

    When I drag the one at the bottom all three notes are affected.

  • @white, @sinosoidal Confirmed.
    Another issue: Dragging a note over another note will delete the other note.

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