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ATOM Piano Roll update is coming soon
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Bundles normally take a bit longer to appear on the store anyway but I expect I’ll just get for full price on release as well.
@blueveek
O.K I took the time to figure it out:
1. Ableton uses DAW Mode, they just send a few undocumented SysEx messages
2. The message you have to send to enable print to clip is: F0h 00h 20h 29h 02h 0Eh 18h 01h F7h
3. So if you remove start/end and the header it expects the part that counts is 18h 01h and that is indeed not in the documentation (There is more like 15h 13h but the 18h 01h is what enables Print To Clip in this case)
4. If you send this the „Print to Clip“ button will light up in sequenzer mode and pressing the button will cause a bunch of SysEx Messages to be sent
5. There are 4 messages but I didn‘t take time to analyze them properly
6. The second message only appears if you have steps that contains something otherwise it won‘t be sent
7. This message has the note & velocity values for all steps, but it‘s complicated because it only sends steps that have something and some „x pads empty“ empty message and such things in between
8. I would assume the other messages contain things like pattern settings, probability and such things
Since it‘s not documented reverse engineering those messages would take some time, but should be doable by settings steps & notes and documenting the messages for those.
So short version: Yea can be done, but decoding those SysEx version is a little bit of a pain in the ass. Maybe someone has a good relationship with Novation and can say „pretty please can you give us some documentation on this?“
wow really? this would be cool
A new video would be nice, while we wait..
Eeek Mr Veek! This is why the UN will probably never design an app. It's how we get camels instead of horses - design by committee... and your design committee is global, self-selected and wildly enthusiastic. Does anyone's pocket actually carry one of those Swiss army knives that do absolutely everything? Ergonomic disaster zones ... do so much you actually can't use them for anything.
Even for audio apps, all great products are constrained by the Great Design Principle: KISS ... keep it simple stupid! Everything from lightbulbs, to forks, to wheels Mr Veek. Good design involves much more time spent asking why rather than how ... getting rid of unnecessary lumps - obstacles - or burying them. The how emerges simply and intuitively for clever experts like yourself ... but the why often gets scant attention. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
A good design - in anything - does one thing really well ... better, faster and easier than anything else. Even more interestingly with audio apps you can add these optional extras as IAPs for those specialists and enthusiasts keen on coding and such. God bless 'em all.
But I'd suggest that's not actually the dominant market... the overwhelming demand - for a simple midi editor that is quick, efficient and works out of the box comes from newer less experienced entrants into ios music. Only of interest if you want The edge that could make Atom 2 as ubiquitous, common and central as say AUM. The key to that dominance is its simplicity with underlying power being available if wanted... basically, AUM does one thing really well... more if you want it.
Depends how popular, accessible and user-friendly you want your ideas to be. Depends who you believe your users will be for this sort of gadget... and who you want them to be.
Keep it simple, accessible and efficient. Avoid trying to do everything ... remember the Swiss Army knife. Mmmm 87 tools.
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This massive work should be supported.
Blueveek proving to be one of the best to ever do it.
Very exciting news
You are right, I'll buy 1 and 2 😋
Will one instance of atom 2 allow for multiple tracks? So that you can send different sequences to different synths within the instance, or will you need a new instance of atom 2 per sequence?
You can output the same pattern to multiple midi channels in one Atom, but as of version 2.0, you can only have one active pattern per instance.
Fortunately instances are extremely light on ram and CPU, so there's really no reason to be worried about loading as many as you need.
Scripting! Woohoo ... wonder if we can create a version of SNAKE game that plays inside the piano roll?
Working on it!
Nice reverse engineering work! I think it's reasonable to start out even with just the note & velocity values for all steps, and leave the rest of the "Print to Clip" features for a followup.
Can we trigger/stop instances as and when we like, by setting sync quanta of our choice?
Yes. Sync quantum can be specified both for triggers and for releases.
One thing that hope this does not fall into is the main focus on integration with hardware. I left the desktop world as I could not sit at a desk anymore. I understand that everyone wants certain things..... but for me I am Mobile.... so its all done on the iPad.
@winconway or @blueveek does this support trackpad navigation and scrolling? Meaning you’re not ‘clicking, holding and pulling’ in the piano roll (and menus if applicable) but instead are able to smoothly navigate it with 2 fingers on the trackpad, just like atom 1?
So what would be the best iOS/iPadOS AUv3 Controller App that mimics an 8x8 Launchpad?
GridInstrument, Musix Pro, KB-1?
ChordPolyPad maybe?
Apple's Trackpad works as you'd expect.
Thank you 😊 You’d be surprised at how uncommon this is
@blueveek or @winconway or anyone in the know, Will this work with ZenBeats? Atom 1 doesn’t afaik
I’ve been trying to find this too. I tried KB-1 in drum pad mode as a poor man’s launchpad to control LK which ‘worked’, but because it doesn’t have the visual feedback of clip colours, which clip is playing, which clip is cued etc. it just isn’t really useful.
It’s a shame that launchpad by ampify isn’t also a midi controller as that would be the winner.
@Samu
In my wildest dreams you become a dev and make it all happen !
😄
Yeah, or even a separate app that provides the some of Launchpad X/Pro has like 8x8 grid with notes, scales, chords and a custom mode and maybe even some transport controls.
That 'App' could be a Stand Alone/AUv3 controller that responds to incoming midi (visual feedback) and also be used to configure/update Launchpad hardware since WebMidi is still quirky asf on iOS/iPadOS.
But it's up to @AmpifyxNovation if they want to use the iPad/iPhone as a marketing tool to sell more Launchpads
Haha yeah. I mean there’s no doubt I’m gonna buy a launchpad x at some point, but if I could try out a virtual version first I’d probably be more likely.
I don't have the patience to code...
...so keep on dreaming
I did try some cocoa ages ago and it was enough...
...on top of that my eyes are not getting any better so I would likely go blind starring at the screen for extended periods of time.
The only launchpad that is even remotely interesting to me is the LaunchPad Pro Mk3...