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I don’t want to dictate to people what they should buy, but at this point I have cut myself off at 32 rigs, and I’m playing a Les Paul, a Godin 5th ave Kingpin hollow with a P-90 neck pup, and a cheap Strat copy. I’ve alluded to my preferences, but I will rate them all and provide audio clips. I suppose it’s my duty now. I hope other rigmen and rigwomen will do the same...
I'll bet @JoyceRoadStudios has 3 for testing purposes. I have the first 2 but I only
OWN 2 Rigs:
ChopTones Fend SRev (Fender Stereo Reverb) - really good for me
American Classics (meh... I wanted a nice assortment of Classics but nothing shines)
But my next penny will go to get the whole Amp/Cab bundle for $75.
Then maybe some stand out rigs but ONLY as rewards for practice goals being reached.
Memorize all notes on the D string to the 15th fret (get a rig)
Memorize all notes on the G string to the 15th fret (get a rig)
Play I-vi-IV-V in 12 keys at 120 BPM (get a rig)
Q is dead. Buh-bye.
Have you messed with the gain settings on the American classics? Some of those rigs can yield improvements with a few of those rig tweaks like “sag” and “bias”, but overall it’s not a choptones quality rig. Makes sense you’d like the darker SRev rig for your brighter guitar.
It makes sense to have 3-5 excelling rigs, any more than that is just unnecessary. What really excites me are all those pedals. Even the simple reverb and chorus pedals are stellar. I agree having all those amps is great even if you only use a dozen.
I’m changing strings right now and going down a gauge to D’addario NYXL .11-.50 balanced tension. Also have some Gibson brite wires as backup. A new audio interface on the way... so pumped! (Wife doesn’t know).
@JoyceRoadStudios : could you suggest some sag and bias tweaks that you have found worthwhile?
Make me a list please.
Tremolux
Fender Bassman
Bogner?
MezzaBarba?
Fend SRev?
Vintage Collection 1?
So you have brought your FrankenStrat back to life! Excellent!!!
You were already going to be the forum go-to guy based upon the overwhelming selection of Overloud gear you have collected. Now you have the ability to recommend various rigs based on guitar type. Most impressive!
And thanks so much for all the guitar-based contributions you have made since joining. I for one really appreciate the effort and attention to detail you provide in your posts...
It's not a big deal really. I don't have a lot of vices just beer, weed, and apps. I'm liking serenity more playing thru headphones it's not as fizzy as my monitors seem to be. I do believe I'm done now though. There's just so many options and it's very fatiguing trying to go thru all these rigs. Especially since I'm tending to gravitate towards all the crunch and gain settings.
Nope I wasn't playing the direct amps. It does sound better with my ownhammer cab irs. I'm using impulsation and I've only loaded the deluxe reverb 1x12 cabs and the 2x12 blue. Hardly scratched the surface on all the cabs in the pack I bought. I keep going back to serenity and does have a lot of great sounds in it. And sounds better thru headphones. Ch3 can be super gnarly if that's your thing. I've also been trying different guitars. Les Paul, my strat plus, and epi gold top with p90s. Most of the rigs I like the Paul's best. The p90s are a great inbetween the strat and humbucker Paul. Like I said I'm done now. It's all good. Maybe now I can get back to trying some of the amps and effects in the full pack. But the rigs are so much fun.
Thanks now I've pulled out my epi les Paul with the p90s. It's bad ass! It's really hard to pick the best or whatever on these rigs. I really like them all so far. I would say the tone impera is nearly perfect with all the guitars so far. It's got everything you need. I used to be a total strat guy but with these rigs I lean towards the les Paul's more. But like I said I've been focusing more on crunch and gain settings. The strat is still great on the cleans and lower gain with all the chimey and jangleyness
‘The strat is still great on the cleans and lower gain with all the chimey and jangleyness”
Which is why I like the Super rig and Blackface emulations (including Randall) but the Tweed, for example breaks up way too much. For people who like Les Pauls, that’s probably a terrific pairing — with seemingly more gain than a Plexi (at least in the Randall emulations)
Like others, I’m looking for simple amp set ups that sound exactly how I want them to rather than achieving sounds through tons of modifications, boxes etc.
Not that I typically have to jump to lead channels and back, but as I move forward, I will be doing that by switching amps rather than engaging virtual stop boxes. Hopefully, this is quick and seamless, because I haven’t checked
Have you found any use for the “high” “low” sensitivity setting in the master controls? The manual says “low” for single coils and “high” for humbuckers, but it really just seems like an input boost rather than a tonal change. Anyway, I’ve lately been setting it to “high” just because...
I do like the tweed break with my LP, but last night I changed strings and went down a gauge, and everything sounds different! I’m going to need to go back to what I was using...
Are you looking just for clean drugs? Or do you also need dirtier stuff?
Yes I've been knocking down the input a little and putting the sensitivity to high. Seems counterintuitive but I like it. Wish it would stay the way I put it. Sucks having to do it every time
Good lord, 20 pages of discussion!
Can somebody hit the salient points, do a USA Today bulletpoint roundup?
I have only one question: @richardyot are you testing presets by playing "Blue Thunder," by Galaxie 500?!
Does it not remember if you save it as a preset? Or if you save in the host?
That's right! One of my favourite songs by one of my favourite bands. Also probably my favourite guitar tone of all time. Dean Wareham plays a Les Paul through a Fender Twin on that recording AFAIK. Recorded in Kramer's apartment in New York.
@espiegel123 this appears to be a two-part bug. When working in standalone master controls menu, you can adjust the master volume and the other horizontal sliders, and you can change sensitivity setting to “high”. When you close the app and open it back up, it will always retain the volume and other slider settings, but the sensitivity always defaults back to “low”. Saving a preset in standalone doesn’t change this. For me it seems like I always have to change to “high” any time I reload the app, even though the master volume setting is retained.
In AUM it’s even more complicated. You can be playing in standalone and exit the app. Then when you open the app in AUM it will show you the last amp you had loaded standalone, but all the master control settings default to original. Sometimes you can load the app in AUM and it will just start empty blank canvas. But here’s the tricky part, when you’re in AUv3 and you adjust the settings and make a thu preset inside AUM, it will save it. So then you exit THU and reload it, and it starts with that same preset except the master controls are back to original. So THEN you actually re-click on the preset you saved in AUM and it will sound like the settings you made in master controls, but it won’t show it, the settings all look original. So what that means is master volume showing 0db but sounding -10db for example, and then when you go to adjust that the app says wait a minute and corrects itself so it gets louder as soon your finger slides. Same with sensitivity, it doesn’t know which is which in that moment. Does that make sense? Seems like a bug.
To Auria’s credit, I’ve had the whole set of optimized FabFilter plugins, plus Overloud, plus PSP stuff, etc, since 2013.
It was obvious when they released THU that they would ultimately bring it to iOS. But at one point it looked like gospel musicians were going to do the work. Glad that over loud is in this market on their own
Clean with a touch of crunch on the edges. Sometimes I like the SRV crunch that
generates pick noise too but I can't really use high gain distortions in my ramblings.
I rarely play power chords.
I’ve noticed a few interesting things, though I’m still researching the knobs and there have been very few smoking gun “aha” moments. Mainly, these knobs as a whole do very little. They have the most effect on slightly crunchy patches, almost no effect on clean patches that have 0 gain, and it’s hard to tell how much they’re doing with high gain patches. Also, based on the manual descriptions of the knobs and what these terms actually mean in real life, it’s a little bit of bullshit. I don’t know how they can possibly make this tech perfect, since these terms in real life deal with driving actual tubes and switching power settings. So this rig player algorithm is trying its best to emulate that for all the rigs in all their iterations? That’s a tall order. On the other hand these knobs shouldn’t do too much because we’re dealing with a pre-prepared rig so why mangle that completely.
Anyway, it does do some cool things. Since you have the American rig I will use the “Overdriven Twin” preset as an example. So it already sounds good right? But try lowering the “Definition” to 2.5-3, Clarity to 6, Power Sag and Tube Bias both to 7-8, and Direct Mix up to around 4. Leave Tube Shape alone. What I notice is that it adds a little saturation but also gets less harsh, the attack becomes a little squishier rather than harsh, and most importantly there’s a realistic thud to sound now and it just has more life to it. Not presence or brightness, but life.
So the big one is “Definition”, lowering it is what gives that thuddy vintage quality to the sound. So to keep that feeling in the sound without too much mud, I will raise the clarity and direct mix a bit, which seem related to each other. Tube Bias seems to make things a little more saturated but also less harsh, and you get that less responsive attack on the sound which makes it squishy and fun to dig in. It also seems to add a little more harmonic content. Power sag seems to puff the sound a little and make it warmer, but it also cleans up the distortion just a little, there isn’t less of it but it’s less harsh. I haven’t touched tube shape yet, no need. Let me know if this makes you hear any difference. It’s worth noting that all these settings actually do something when the gain is above 0. Obviously definition will work with all the rigs, but you need the gain for the other things like direct mix or clarity to do something. I think a big key is introducing the Direct mix into crunchy rigs, I think that can allow for more picking dynamics. I will say more when I find anything else worthwhile. So far the differences have been quite small.
“So this rig player algorithm is trying its best to emulate that for all the rigs in all their iterations? That’s a tall order. “
@JoyceRoadStudios Why would it have to? Why can’t these be simulations that sit on top of the rig captures?
I think they work great this way. They are essentially profiles presented to us of an amp at a certain setting, and we get to have hundreds of these profiles. It’s Kemper like. I’m happy not to tweak them and use the ones I love, but I also realize that all the unique parameters of a specific amp such as reverb circuits are baked into the preset, as well as third party pedals used in the capture. This is all great because it sounds great.
But my point is that the rig player comes with knobs for settings that are really meant for actual tube behavior and power modes of an actual amp. So they say “power sag” and “tube bias” but what they really mean is frequency or tone shape adjustment as well as compression. Of course it’s good to have settings like bass mid treble for all of us to adjust, but the rig player is also offering algorithmic emulations of tube behavior on a profiled preset, rather than an amp sim. Many of the amp sims in TH-U have a whole preamp and power amp menu with variac setting and tube selections, which majorly shape the tone and dynamic. These tube settings are built into the specific amp. Of course we’re not actually using tubes it’s a simulation. But what I’m questioning is how they’re implementing these all-purpose preamp and power amp knobs on the rig player across all of these profiles that are already baked. Reading about Kemper, they also have settings like sag and bias, and apparently they also do very little. It seems that these captured amps already have their sag and bias as part of the sound, so why even offer a minimally effective knob row that is really meant for actual tubes? These knobs don’t refer to the EQ of the amp but rather the power level of the tubes, which affects saturation and dynamic compression and feel of play, but what can the algorithm actually do besides adjust frequency curves and eq and add or subtract compression. These knobs need to be the answer to what we’re looking for, which is real tube like amp response and feel and enhanced control of clean to crunch through picking dynamics.
In no particular order:
Tremolux
Bassman
Vox AC30
Tone Impera
Boogie Tran30
SRev
Vintage 1
Edge
Prince68
American
At least these are the 10 “clean” dominant rigs. There are also also a half dozen rigs that have lots of great clean but versatile crunch and higher gain as well which you may not need.
Fried Betty
MarkV
Bogner XTC
Mezzabarba
Orange
Revv
Fried BE50
etc...
My top “5” right now:
Bassman
Tremolux
Tran30
MarkV
Fried Betty
Vox
Mezzabarba
Tone Impera
BHS Soldano
Bogner XTC
Fried Jerry
Edge
And let’s not forget about the Full Pack animal...
So I put Strat beast all together, plugged it in, and getting no sound, just static noise. It was really strange looking inside the guts of this old Hondo H76 I got at goodwill for $25. It turns out it was already modded because the volume and tone pots and switch all say made in usa. I think the culprit is a faulty Jack, because the pickups do respond to tapping. Anyway I’m gonna need to rewire this thing again... or just say fuck it and get a cheap Yamaha Pacifica.
The perfect excuse to take a quick jaunt over the hill to Guitar Showcase!
Have you got your strat working yet? If you decide to go with a cheap strat checkout rondo music. I've bought 3 guitars from them. They're great if you want to swap out the electronics or just play them the way they are. I think I spent 130 on the strat. The body and necks are really quite nice.
I just have the free version of TH-U with the free rigs that came with it. I’ve listened to a number of rig demos on overlouds website and have found a bunch that sound great. The consensus seems to be that most people like the sound quality of the rigs more than amp sims that come with the full version. I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to find enough great sounds out of the rigs without purchasing the full. All that being said, most of the rig demos had fx pedals in the chain, of which some are not included in the free version. I’m assuming those fx pedals that are used in the demos are not included in the rig purchase. Am I better off just buying the rigs that I like and then purchasing the “All FX” and “All Distortion Stompboxes”? It seems like a more cost effective way to go if I’m not going to use the Amps and Cabs in the full version.