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EDIT> Ignore my next several posts ... we eventually figured out that the Gain was influencing the wet/dry mix in THAFKNAR ... a bug which Markus has now found and fixed (might take a few days to make it into the App Store).
I just downloaded the video and the extracted the audio. I believe that you are noticing that your ears respond differently to loud and soft sounds (which I mentioned earlier). the volume when you lower THAFKNAR’s gain is much quieter than the other...so it sounds different. I separately normalized the sections you recorded at the different gain settings. After normalization they sound the same.
I think you will find the same.
Try this, record your audio in AUM and record something identical with the only difference being THAFKNAR’s gain setting. Then normalize each recording and see if they sound different.
Re THAFKNAR’s gain setting, my recommendation was simply to set the gain so that it is volume neutral so that bring the IR in and out doesn’t change the volume. If you create presets like that for your favorite IRs, you can swap them without worrying about unintended level changes. Use AUM’s channel fader to adjust the final output.
As I said, louder usually sounds better. I recently was testing some effect settings and thought one sounded way better than the other. I normalized the two recordings to use in a demo...and they were nearly identical. What I thought was better earlier was just louder.
This is mysterious. Lowering the gain shouldn't lead to more distortion. Do you use 100% wet? What IR is this?
A green monitor in does not necessarily mean that there is no distortion. The signal could have been cut in an earlier stage of the chain.
Yes 100% wet Ownhammer IRs. It sounds great with gain set at 1.0. Lowering it brings in a lot of fizz. I will test this again tomorrow to make sure it’s not just my perception.
I will test this again tomorrow to make sure it’s not my volume perception. Based on what you’re implying, if the gain is set at .4 and I turn up the AUM fader, it should sound the same as when the fader is lower but the gain is at 1.0. I believe that is not the case. It’s not just a louder sound, it’s a cleaner sound. at .4 gain I get fizz. I’ll try this again tomorrow with fresh ears.
It’s barely noticeable in the recording I made, listening on iPhone. But really obvious in my headphones. So maybe it’s all a wash post, and my ears are hearing that difference in the moment?
Did you see my comment above about how to test this?
Yes I will do this.
The idea, test is to record your guitar with no amp sim. Then use that recording for your test and feed it to the amp. And capture with three different THAFKNAR gain settings in AUM but changing nothing else. Then normalize each recording and listen. When I watched your video, I thought wow that sounds very different. When I normalized the sections separately, they sounded very similar. I could be wrong. But I think that is what you will find. The volume difference was pretty large before normalizing.
@espiegel123 @wim
I think I’m having an obvious problem...
Here’s another clip not like above, where I turn the fader up to highlight the fizz...
FWIW in using the newest iOS14, and my interface is hot at minimum so I have to run input gain in AUM at 35%. Maybe my particular set up is causing this?
@JoyceRoadStudios : I hear it. It is almost like reducing the gain is changing the the wet//dry mix (I don’t hear a difference in distortion but do hear a difference freq content) . I’ll see if i can reproduce on my end.
@polaron_de : after doing some testing, it seems like lowering the gain slider is impacting the wet/dry mix.
That “fizziness” that @JoyceRoadStudios mentioned and which you can hear in his test video is what the amp sim’s output sounds like without a cabinet or cabinet IR. I was able to reproduce the issue (iPad 6, iOS 13.7.1)
I recorded in AUM without THAFKNAR and with THAF Gain 1.0 and THAF Gain 0.3. i normalized them all and compared. Thaf at Gain 0.3 sounds very different ... as if it is no longer 100% wet.
If I put THAFKNAR at 1.0 and put AUM’s gain node in front to reduce the gain, it does not have that impact.
Can you take a look. I can provide more information if you can’t reproduce.
Yes, I will inspect this tomorrow.
I just confirmed, by using a super weird smeary reverb. At 100% wet and Gain1.0, the source is (as desired) super smeary and distant. If you lower the gain to 0.2, you hear some source bleed through.
Thank you very much, many of the guitarists on here depend on your app as the essential link in the chain. When I started using Thafknar I just assumed that 1.0 gain was the preferred default setting because the guitar amp’s desired tone was preserved and it all sounded great, but the trade off was simply lowering the master output in the guitar app (not the amp itself and not the AUM fader).
We need to look deeply (2 pages worth) of TH-U FX'es for non-guitarists. They are an amazing collection for
$23 IMHO. Nothing comes close for ambient uses and they are $0.40 each.
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I don't have the Distorion/Over Drive Bundle but anyone with the FULL options can create
demoes using synths instead of guitars. I'll make one in the "new age" spirit with lots of
shimmered reverb and extra octaves and some massive space echoes. I haven't tried it yet but I know people will think "WTF!? Why didn't you tell us about these FX'es?"
Because it takes 2 years to survey the guitar amps and rigs, duh.
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Hi!,
I asked in a previous comment but now I’m attaching a screen capture to illustrate.
The Octaver pedal sounds terrible, worbly and unusable. If it wasn’t software I’d think I got a faulty unit. The legacy Octaver, which I didn’t know existed, sounds OK but has no dry/wet, which I need to make 2 lanes via mixer, one for guitar one for Octaver.
I tried normalizing the signal, switching High/Low sensitivity, to no avail. The fact that the legacy version sounds ok is even weirder.
Would someone please test it and comment?.
I bought the Funk pack and a couple of pedals to deep-test THU before making more purchases, like the IR packs @JoyceRoadStudios recommended. This issue with the Octaver sort of puts me off. Did I hit the bad one on my first go or are there more?. Or am I doing something wrong?.
Third option would be “no, it sounds fine to me”... I won’t take that one, I’ve got experience with Octaver pedals and own a few. There can be better tracking, polyphony.., but this Octaver on THU as I hear it is useless. NuRack’s pitch shifter, for example, is 1000 times better and it’s not a dedicated unit.
Would appreciate your comments. Cheers.
Sirs, I can confirm with high probability that you have discovered a bug in Thafknar, and I am working on it. I am curious myself about the cause.
Oh my! Look at this nonsense:
Of course this gives a wrong value for dryFactor whenever gain differs from 1.
A bugfix update is in the making.
You are an awesome developer, Markus! 🙌🏻
When @JoyceRoadStudios first brought up this issue, I knew you would be all over it.
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I’m no expert here, but I use the Octaver in all my presets and it does the job for me. I’ve not tweaked it at all, I just kick it in and out for looping bass parts.
I use octavers for the same purpose in other amp sims, and this one holds up for me, I’ve never had a ‘real’ one though (assuming line 6 pods don’t count).
I also like it when it’s in a factory preset, so no complaints here. Next time I play (now hopefully) I’ll give it more of a critical ear.
@tahiche I made you a little video of several modulators. I think you have a good point, the octaver pedal warbles and jumps back and forth from octave to octave, which isn’t what the Boss pedals do unless the battery is running low or the source material has a lot of harmonic overtone content. I think this actually could be a processing defect in the way the pedal receives the harmonic content, or maybe even undetectable latency is making the pedal act whacky. I can clearly hear it jumping back and forth and warbling. But the other thing is, some people actually desire that warbling effect in their octave pedal, so it may be deliberate. Because the other modulators in TH-U don’t do that.
So you’ll notice the same issue with my octaver and legacy octaver, but check out the harmonizer, it’s awesome. It even has separate octave lanes that can both go +2 or -2 so you can have the same low octave doubled if you want. Plus the harmonization option is really good. I use this rack a lot. Then the pitch shifter which also gets you solid octave options and then some. Then take a look at FAC Chorus, it’s not an exact octave but the Fifthiver preset sounds amazing to me. Also tonestack doom and gloom. And lastly the octave pedal in GE Labs is... horrible! That’s not on octave that’s a tremolo pedal!
You are bound to have a few duds in the TH-U collection. I actually don’t mind the Octaver, but it clearly can’t sound two notes at once or not act whacky. Putting the fuzzrace or compressor in front of it makes it better. All fx for $23 and all distortions for $23 is still a steal. Yes there’s about 10 percent of them I really don’t like.
Also found a bug in the TH-U octaver. When you you place it into the chain, the cabinet suddenly shows a small image of a speaker that’s crossed out, which is the sign for the cabinet being turned off, but the cabinet is not turned off. It only happens when adding the octaver and not the other pedals, definitely some sort of bug.
Thanks for the video @JoyceRoadStudios . The rack effects, both Harmonizer and Pitcher sound great indeed.
I keep thinking it’s not intentional, there’s really nothing lo like about it!. No vintage vibe or happy accidents, just bad tracking. The GE Labs one is terrible too!.
@tahiche I hear what you mean now. It sounds to me like it has a reasonable sweet spot between the 3rd and 7th frets on the bottom 3 strings (where I tend to knock out my bass lines). Outside of that it’s not so clever.
There's a short demo of (2) TH-U AUv3 instances being used to modify:
I went with Distortions, Fuzz, Wah, Octaver and a Delay-type FX stomp:
And it plays well with a combinations of other typical AUv3 FX like (2) FilterStep(s),
FAC Transient, DubStep, Magic Death Eye and Barricade.
Yes! This sounds badass!
Here’s a short clip of some random presets, it’s that easy. Plug and play. Overloud for the win.
@JoyceRoadStudios : the fixed version of THAFKNAR now available from App Store.
Thanks Markus for addressing it so promptly.
Fantastic! I hadn’t warmed up to the other IR loader apps for some reason, but I love using Thafknar. It just makes sense! Thanks Markus.
You are welcome.
I know I said I wasn’t going to get the Tremolux, but I did and it sounds gorgeous. Mostly clean patches, the overdriven sounds have a heavy vintage turbulence like a Dumble. This amp sounds great. The Prince and SRev sound darker actually, Trem has more clarity. Edge is a little scooped and dirty, but has some Vox tones available. Right now I’m leaning with Tremolux and Bassman as my faves for Fender.
But there’s also some great tweed and American sound in the Fried Betty, Mark V, and Tran30. Tran30 is mostly clean patches, surprisingly great. Mark V extremely versatile. The Bogie Fill in comparison is slightly more muddy or veiled. Fried Betty is unique in color. Serenity clean channel is also beautiful. There is so much great clean sound in these rigs!
Confirmed again today that the thu branded rigs sound more like a blanket is over them. The Choptones, LRS, BHS, are all better, with more presence, more depth, and more balance.
I won’t say how many rigs I have but I’m officially done as I have all the ones I want. Bought a bunch so y’all don’t have to. Best of coming soon. Party on!