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Chance are I could tweak the knobs on it and find something similar in quality. The classic jazz
arch top sound typically turns the bass way up. Adding more mid's also helps using a Parametric EQ.
IN TH-U the Graphic Equalizer FX pedal works well to shoe extra archtop warmth.
We'll never stop learning from this app how to create different guitar textures.
I don't own the Lab 5 amp so I can't compare. I tried some other cleans and for me nothing has the bassy
jazz of the PolyPhone.
Not so much twang, maybe more creamy sustain and crunchy. Warm cleans with some pop or punch. But I like reverbs and delays a lot so that can take away a lot of dynamics.
So are you looking for a more scooped crunch with grit at the top end, or a crunch with thickness through the middle?
If you don’t like it I’ll send you $5 or an autographed photo🤣🤣
Since you’re hellbent on that sound, the polyphone and Lab 5 clean are the only game in town for it.
I just spent 2 hours wrapping subtle FX around the Polyphone or R-Jazz 12'o Amps:
Magic Death Eye with 4x oversampling
TH-U FX:
Digital Chorus
(2) Thafknar's with a Fine and Rear Combo amp Ownhammer IR files loaded
I need to be careful thinking louder means better. Every FX I add makes it a little bit fuller in some
useful way while trading off CPU resources that I might need later to play backing tracks or additional apps.
Yes and also the Thafknar IRs are clearly boosting the output readings, as much as 6db in some cases. There’s always a big volume jump bypassing cabs and inserting IRs. Turning down the volume/level/master on the amp setting will change the character of the amp, but I find that turning the master volume down in THU master controls upper left, or reducing the AUM fader, that does the trick. I used to have my device volume about 3/4 of the way up and even if the output showed red it wasn’t loud in my ears, but that’s basically a turned down output distortion. I’m finding it’s better to set iPad volume max or close to and work with the output fader or app master volume. The advantage of turning down master volume in THU menu is you’re not turning down your whole chain by using AUM fader.
The cabinet IRs I use (Ownhammer) don't add volume. I can see how some might though. Be sure the Dry - Wet control is fully wet when using cabinet IRs.
I would fine-tune your THAFKNAR presets with gain reduction so that the volume doesn't jump when you enable them. For most of the OWNHAMMER IRs, the volume slider in THAFKNAR is at about 0.4. It varies a little from cabinet to cabinet.
@wim @espiegel123 interesting about Thafknar and IRs, I’m a little confused here. Thafknar comes with default settings in the “Convolution” tab. Gain is at 1.0 and 100% wet. x^t Transform =1 and Temporal is at 0%. You can go into the “iOS AU” where the gain is at 0 and dry/wet mix was moved from 75-100. In the settings tab lower right you can set max Convolution time to 80% or 17.1 seconds.
Anyway, here’s my problem. I think it sounds great with these default settings and gain at 1.0 even with the volume boost of 5db-10db. I just loaded a THU amp by itself, and after this I loaded a rig with just “direct amp” patch no cab. So they both sound really distorted and thin without a cab right? Then adding Thafknar makes them sound amazing. But if I turn the gain down to 0.4 so as to get rid of the volume jump, I’m hearing the obvious dry signal of the amp with its crackle. In every case I can hear the original signal. And the crackle completely disappears at gain 1.0 and the amp sounds badass. What’s that about? It doesn’t sound good with the gain lowered. I assumed the default Thafknar settings were good because it’s sounds so good. I have Ownhammer bundle as well as additional Ownahmmers I bought. They all have the same volume jump and the same settings. Is there a volume tab I’m missing?
All that adjusting the gain as I described in THAFKNAR will do is keep it from boosting the volume. It won't change the tone. You should nog generally adjust the convolution time for a cabinet. Wet should be 100% if using just 1 IR
I wonder if Markus, the developer of Thafknar might perhaps be able to enlighten us as well?
@polaron_de is one of the great iOS app developers who does an exceptional job monitoring our forum...
Yes absolutely. I’m genuinely confused. Thafknar with default settings works great and the IRs sound fantastic, but there is an output boost. As soon as I lower gain at all I can hear the bypassed amp sound with the original cab-less crackle, but the volume is not boosted anymore. But the amp doesn’t sound good at all for me with the gain below 1.0. It’s almost as if lowering the gain also brings more dry mix into it.
Have you compared other convolution reverbs?
Would be interesting to see if there are similar results...
Ok this isn’t obvious when you’re playing clean guitar, but add some crunch or distortion to the amp that’s bypassed. Lowering the gain doesn’t introduce the ugly crackle of the bypassed amp?
(GliderVerb probably wouldn't make for an appropriate comparison!) 🤣
Basically if could get every tone that @flo26 gets that would be great! Mmmk! From his clean to his crunch to the med gain that can sound like high gain. I've bought several rigs that he has demonstrated. Wtf!
JK. I like it crunchy and thick in the middle just like me.. I basically for the last 20 or so years have gravitated to the neck pickup in all guitars. But since thu and Nembrini I've been getting some bridge pickup time in. It's all good for sure!
What are you confused by? I can clarify . There is nothing mysterious here. If an IR boosts some frequencies, the signal will get louder and you have to reduce the gain if you want the cabinet to be volume neutral. The gain change won't effect tone except in the way turning volume up or down always has.
It’s affecting tone in a major way for me. I just loaded Nembrini bst100, loaded a distortion preset and bypassed the cab. Horrible jarring scratch sound without a cab. Added Thafknar at gain 1.0, it sounds amazing and clear, but volume boost so AUM fader needs to go down. Reducing gain to .8 or .6 or .4, I can obviously hear the reduction in volume but also the crackling original amp sound mixed in. It sounds terrible, and only disappears and has clarity with gain at 1.0
It sounds to me as if @JoyceRoadStudios feels like he's hearing the dry amp sound bleeding through even if the wet is 100%.
@JoyceRoadStudios - is Trafknar definitely in the signal chain right after the amp? It's not on a send is it? This would explain both issues, volume bump and dry bleed through.
Or ... any chance that you have the amp sending to any other channel?
This is why I started using impulsation. I didn't get on with thafknar at all.
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I’ll make a video of this. I promise I’m not crazy. It’s not obvious on a clean sound. Very obvious with gain, or with a direct amp rig.
1.0 gain is the only way it sounds great.
They both work fine. I'm sure there's an explanation for what's going on for @JoyceRoadStudios.
Excuse me if it’s off topic... the Octaver (Boss clone) sounds like crap, like a broken radio in a bad way, horrible tracking.
The legacy Octaver on the other hand sounds like really good (but legacy has no dry/wet, ouch). Go figure.
Are any of these polyphonic?. Which is best?.
As I said the Legacy Octaver is ok (glad it’s there, didn’t even know it existed). But has no way to make it fully wet. I like to have 2 separate paths to treat the octave down on its own, different fx, no reverb, and to its own amp.
Btw @JoyceRoadStudios after all I started with the Funk pack, I wanted to get a taste before getting too specific.
I have use THAFKNAR a lot and can say confidently that if you run a 100% wet signal out of it and change the gain, all that I have experienced has been gain change -- testable by recording its output at various gain levels (by recording the AUM channel) and then normalizing the captures.
If you are hearing a tone change that isn't attributable to volume (people generally think louder signals sound better), there is probably something about the setup.
For a cabinet, you generally should run it at 100% wet and not mess with any of the time parameters.
If lowering the gain, is causing you to hear some sound you don't hear when the gain is higher, I suspect that @wim is right that there is another signal path.
@JoyceRoadStudios : can you post a picture of your AUM setup and the settings for THAFKNAR?
@espiegel123 @wim
In my headphones there’s an obvious distortion with the gain lowered, and it clears up completely at 1.0.
Changing the channel send in the menu from 50% to 0 to 100 has no effect. Clicking on the the amp and IR and switching either from pre to post and back had no effect. Turning off high measurement has no effect.
This is correct. The gain is only an additional factor that is applied to each sample value. It does by itself not change the spectrum.
But: The audio system wants sample values in the range [-1.1]. If the processing chain outputs a signal with absolutes values larger than 1, then the audio system will cut these values and you get distortion. This means that if Thafknar's input has values outside of [-1,1] then you can remove distortion by using a small gain value. A large gain, on the other hand, can add distortion even to a well-behaved input. In this sense, the gain can change the tone. In the Settings view of the Thafknar AU there is a switch for activating monitor LEDs for the input and output channels. You can watch if the input and output values are in the permitted range.
The other aspect is that some default scaling factor must be applied after the convolution operation. Thafknar calculates this factor by some heuristic, using the euclidean norm of the IR. This works well in some cases and not so good in others, where it leads to a volume change. The Gain parameter allows to compensate this.
Best regards,
Markus
You can’t meaningfully compare sounds at different volumes like that. If you’re going to compare at different gain settings in Thafknar, you should compensate with AUM’s fader to listen at as close to the same volume as you can. I don’t have the best ears, I know, but I suspect the differences you’re hearing are mostly due to perception at different volumes.
But it also occurred to me ... why bother? If it sounds good at 1.0, why not just adjust the volume with the AUM fader?
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Is the default gain setting of 1.0 the intended way to use Thafknar? The reason I ask is because at 1.0 I get an extremely clear sound that I like, but with a volume boost. Lowering the gain to .5 or below makes it volume neutral but I get distortion, it completely changes the tone. It sounds as if the bypassed amp sound is mixed into the overall sounds, just guessing that’s the source of the distortion. So I’m wondering why raising the gain actually gets rid of it. The monitors for in and out show green.
Thank you!