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The effect of the pedal shows up in the sound of that Rig preset. None of the rig models
use the OverLoud devices. They are models of the complete signal chain listed in the Rig Preset Description.
The one variation I can see in the Rig settings is the ability to change the Cabinet model being used. I can switch the Cabinet to any other Cabinet as defined in any additional preset
in that Rig pack.
A good Rig pack based on an amp you KNOW you love is a great next step for TH-U. After getting the Rug addiction you'll get close to the $110 FULL entry price and wonder... wouldn't it be nice to design a "Rig" from scratch myself? And it really is. So many great components.
Additional expenses for IR files in an IR loading Reverb should also be in your plan to "get real". OwnHammer makes great IR's and you get well over 100 for about $30. Just target the size of the amps you love in a pack like Combo, Stack, etc.
This is a very good question that deserves clarification on the forum, I know exactly what you’re asking. Each Rig that you are shopping for has a product description where they tell you which cabinets and third party pedals were used to capture all the rig profiles. So each rig comes with anywhere between 50 or 300 “rigs” depending on which you buy, which are all just profiles of the amp at different settings with these third party components already baked into it. So if you go to the Overloud website and look at each rig, you can pull up a pdf of the “full rig list” of all the rigs that are included with the component descriptions. Here’s an example:
In addition, and this is what you’re talking about, each Rig and bundle in TH-U has its own separate preset bank. The free version has the “experience thu” preset bank and then you can see lower there are preset banks for genres of music or for specific rigs. You will notice that a lot of them use the same few pedals like reverb and chorus that are already available for free or in the 3 entry level bundles. So the Overloud demo videos that you’re watching are just going through a preset Bank for that rig, and not the rig list of just the baked in profiles. Here’s the thing though. If you have the free version and ONLY buy a certain rig, then when you go to the preset bank for that rig, the pedals in the chain you don’t own will be locked. This is what you’re asking. It only affects the preset bank, not the rig you purchased. Overloud assumes that if you get the funk bundle first or another bundle, the pedals that you get mostly crossover to the rig preset banks, because the rig banks aren’t using any fancy pedals with their presets. So you can look inside the preset banks to see in advance which pedals could be locked for you, and you can even replace them or get rid of them. It’s really not a big deal if you own only a Rig, but yes if you get the all fx and distortions then all the preset banks will be open to you.
Have you logged in to get your free stuff, like Slo 88 and the free rig profiles?
Another way of looking at it is the rig components that they list in the product description and use to actually capture the rigs, and the sim pedals that are in the preset banks and the Overloud videos, are not the same thing. So that’s also a bit weird because all those video demos aren’t of the actual rig in its original baked in form, but with sim pedals and fx added around it. This is why I keep going on and on about the rigs in their original form, because many are so amazing and are the platform sounds to build around. They are pre-prepared for you in so many iterations with real world pedals added, it’s kind of a shortcut to good tone. You don’t need to dial in every knob from scratch. Most importantly, having all the sim pedals to build around the rig is huge, they work beautifully together, as well as using your own IRs. On top of that, the Rigs are baked with real world pedals like Grid Slammer, Muff, etc..
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Got it! Thanks! I also wonder since I’m mostly going to use TH-U in AUM and I have so many FX apps (you name it, I got it) already, would it be overkill to buy the ones in TH-U. Or are they that good? I think people have talked about the CPU usage being minimal so maybe it’s worth getting them just for that.
Thanks! You’re right, of course. Resistance is futile. I’ll probably end up getting the whole 9 yards. I just hope I’ll be able to resist all the great rigs they have and continue to put out there. I have this problem determining how much is enough and how much is too much. I will attempt to wait for black friday at least. Hope they have a sale.
I’ve been eyeing that site for years! Looking at the Hawk in either blue or green. Do you have the SX Hadean, Hawk, Leo, or Vintage? Currently only two of the models available new.
The Pacifica is another highly regarded Strat copy, the neck is thinner than SX though.
I really had high hopes for my $25 Hondo H76, but I think I will need a totally new set of pots and wiring. The pickups suck but they’re not what’s broken.
That’s a tough one, there are truly some great effects out there, I own them too and many are my go-to. FAC, Brambos, Saturn, Eventide, you name it! But what I will say is as good as these effects are they’re geared more for mixing and mastering, filtering and saturation, and while they work great with guitar it can sometimes sound un-guitar like. Can kind of change the tone shape, my opinion. I still use them and many prefer non-guitar specific effects on guitars. But I find more use for them in a mix or sub bus or to make a guitar really weird or ambient, rather than your garden variety pedal board.
With Overloud for under $50, you get the whole collection of pedals and racks meant primarily for guitar chains, but they can all work great with other instruments and apps too. They’re dialed in for guitar so they can sometimes work better and be more subtle, meaning they don’t change the principal preamp tone shape of your guitar like some effects meant for mixing and mastering would. When using non guitar specific filters and saturators to drive the guitar or add distortion, you have to work hard at dialing them in to affect the exact frequencies where a guitar lives, otherwise you are kind of changing the entire field in which the tone lives. With guitar centric effects I find that the principal guitar “preamp” or “power amp” tone shape is preserved even as it’s being processed with effects.
Anyway that’s all a matter of taste and skill. The big advantage of using all those pedals, beside lifter cpu load “in the box”, is that you can midi map them inside Overloud, and those pedals work in a circular chain, either pre or post amp like fx send/return loop if you want. Otherwise you have to midi map the effects in AUM around the THU rig, with a cabinet IR, and the sequence can be much less flexible or much more complicated. It can all be done in AUM of course with your favorite effects, but there’s a streamlining in a way when your amps and pedals live inside of TH-U.
That being said if you have your favorite guitar effects and they work for you, then use those. Waiting for a sale on those rigs and pedals is never a bad idea, just requires patience that I don’t have.
I bought these probably 5 yrs ago or so. They were just called SX vintage series back then. Probably equivalent to the hawk and furian.
The effects you are referencing are baked into the rig profiles.
You do not need the extra fx
Besides the free pack, the greatest single score for under $25 would be one dynamite rig. Even better than the Funk collection — or whatever — for $15.
Nice
You started it out with “That’s a tough one” but you knocked it out of the box! Some really excellent info.
Knowing myself, my initial question was probably rhetorical. I’ll end up buying the whole enchilada and begin a extended period of rig purchases. That and the Xtone Pro’s we have coming, I’ll be in heaven!
Thanks!
Just for the record... the $23 I spent for all the FX at $0.58 each for 58 FX is money well
spent. Money I'll loose part of on my path to FULL now... doing it in pieces will cost me an extra $15 to get everything.
($18 for Fun and R&B already which has some overdrives and the tube screamer)
($23 sunk cost for FX already)
$75 for Amps and Cabs
$23 for the extra overdrives and distortions like the Rat pedal
$139 when I could have gone the $110 route. I also picked up 2 ala carte amps for $10.
So, $149 to get them all.
I have purchased 2 Rigs for $15 and $18 and won't get more until I have the Amps and Cabs.
After you start you'll realize you buy more out of boredom with just trying to hear the permutations and combinations of 1 purchase. Like the Funk pack or one of the massive Rig products.
Learn from my mistakes. If you can't afford the FULL yet so the Amps, FX, Distortion route for a layaway approach. But any of the Genre packs (Metal, Rock, Funk/Clean) will keep you busy for months if you have discipline to play and not want the little hits of the pure drug.
I’m pretty sure I’ll get the whole thing and then struggle with my rig addiction for a couple years. There are worse things!
I believe the only effects built into the rigs are some different overdrive and distortion pedals. No other effects that I have found and none of the effects that you can buy from thu packs.
This is correct, as described in each rig product descriptions, they list the real life cabinets, mics, and pedals used, and the pedals are all for boost and overdrive. There are a couple of rigs where they also list a Mesa band eq or a preamp, but yes virtually all the pedals are ODs.
Also worth mentioning that the amps these rigs are based on often have unique features like a reverb or trem circuit, tone switches or power modes, and we don’t necessarily know the settings of those knobs when they were captured. But we have to trust that these amps were modeled in their sweet spots, and trust our ears when it obviously sounds good.
Great stuff, I’m seeing the vintages used in the low 100s, very tempting. I like that the necks aren’t thin. If the build is good it’s always worth considering upgrading the pickups.
Umm...let’s talk about those amps though! Damn! It looks like you’re in the rig capturing business yourself. I want that Bassman head...
My sweet spot tends to be a bit effect driven. My guitar playing can use all the help it can get.
You should learn from my mistakes too! I got the full pack right off the bat, and it’s definitely the best route rather than overpaying for pieces and bundles. Having all the pedals, and just the Randall and Brunetti amps makes it worth it. That being said, I don’t use most of the cabinets and I don’t use half the amps. But I do use most of the pedals, even in front of my Nembrinis. No matter, you have to commit to one bundle or all pedals and stop, otherwise go for the full. I think over the months I will explore every amp I have anyway and get the best sound I can get, or find a few duds and move on. Worth mentioning that the $50 worth of pedals is quite a steal and you can use the same pedal over and over and over, you’re not just stuck with one iteration of it. I see some presets using two reverbs and three choruses, it’s insane.
But I got way too many rigs. And the more rigs I have the less amps I use. I’m already using IRs instead of cab sims.
So my suggestion is, if you want to shell out some dough for guitar stuff, compare it to the full Amplitube pack, the entire Nembrini suite, Bias FX2 full, Ge Labs full. You have to weigh AUv3 vs IAA. The pricing models are quite different.
Ge Labs is worth it regardless, however many preset slots you decide to get. Unlimited for $25 sale is great. It is only IAA and I do think it sounds a bit more processed than THU or Nembrini, but it feels great to play and it has unique tech for capturing rigs. It’s a cool learning platform for building rigs. Someone could spend $25 and just stop right there.
But Nembrini is a step up when it comes to realistic analog style tone and behavior. They already use IRs by default, not cab emulations. They often have sales so you can get everything they have for $100-$200 depending. They keep coming out with new amps with $10 entry price, usually insta buy for me. Most of their effects are great too.
Bias FX2 is currently $70 for the full, but there are some missing features like celestion IRs. Also the amps sound like farts on a frying pan, excuse my French.
Amplitube is $150 for the full, and this is a comparable pricing model to TH-U. Don’t know if it’s really “full” or if you still have to buy more stuff, but $150 seems expensive. Sounds better than Bias though.
So with TH-U I would look to spend $200 maximum, $110 full pack plus 3-4 rigs. Or $50 for all pedals and 5 rigs, about $150 total. Or one bundle and one rig to get a taste, and you’re under $50. Finally, 3 Nembrini amps plus their effects on sale for $1.99, plus all THU pedals, around $100. Just don’t do what I did, don’t buy 32 rigs.
This must be so silly to people arguing over $10 apps being overpriced, and we’re all buying $4 apps all the time. But it’s important to think of this as it compares to guitar apps and their pricing models, so it’s not ludicrous to spend a couple hundred. A real savvy iOS musician will take two Nembrinis and a string of cheap fx apps and call it a day. We need to make music and play, not collect amps. The problem is, this shit sounds so good, I can’t use it all at once, but I have zero regrets about paying to experience it.
Yeah like I said they are built quite nicely, tuners aren't great, switches, pots and pickups are cheap but don't sound too bad. Bit noisy. But if your good with the soildering iron you can definitely make a really nice guitar.
I've been buying amps and such since the late 80s. The bassman is a 67 that I bought for 150 bucks. It used to shock the shit outta me. So I had a guy go thru it put a grounded chord and some caps and such. It's loud! I have 4 or 5 other amps that aren't in the pics.
Oxy. H. and real hardware.
Nice! Have you tried that GE Labs rig capture stuff? Apparently you can capture your real amp and its behavior and response, and the cabinet, and make a sample profile that will sound just like your amp. Some cutting edge tech it seems, not too different from Kemper or TH-U, except it’s you making the profile. I think you need a certain type of interface though, like a 2 in 2 out.
Do you find yourself buying amp sims like the amps you own and comparing, or buying amp sims of amps you don’t have?
.> @JoyceRoadStudios said:
I’m embarrassed to say that I pretty much have all the apps (with all the bells & whistles) you just listed. I guess the big pull for TH-U and all its accoutrements for me is the AU3 aspect. I have most of the Nembrini stuff but it’s hard to overlook everything else TH-U has to offer.
Yeah, there’s that.
I don't have any rhyme or reason to what I do. I just buy buy buy. Hardly ever use the amps anymore unfortunately. Even the most recent purchases, the ac15 and my Henriksen I messed about with them when I first got them but for me I just like the ease and sound of the stuff that's coming out for iOS. If I ever get a band and or Jam with anyone again I'll be good to go though. I'm a sick man! It's a little gross actually. but I'm not hurting anyone so there's that.
It’s ok to be curious. Some people have 26 pairs of Air Jordans just to have them. iOS apps are comparatively cheap to hardware or desktop. My motto is have whatever you desire but actually use it and get to know it. Luckily for all of us iOS processing power has allowed really major developers to port their stuff over, and we are all winners of the future. It’s not like we’re collecting baseball cards. Now that I know you’re gonna get it anyway, Overloud sounds amazing compared to what there was before. Enjoy it! Try a rig of an amp you really want, you’ll hear the difference.
I mean, you can always sell it, or use it, and certainly claim that you know it. There’s nothing gross about that. With gear like that I would certainly encourage you to play in several local bands, record and capture, make amp IRs for fun, and maybe even experiment running all those thu pedals and other effect apps with a real amp. I used to own a trem-o-verb 2x12 combo with an extra matching 2x12, and an old Music Man head and cab. This was all before sims. Now I only have one amp, a Hot Rod Deluxe, but all these rigs are actually making me crave a few of the amps for real. But I feel like I kind of already own them, virtually. Maybe just an frfr with iOS will keep me satisfied.
Hi THUers!.
I was wondering if anyone is fantasticly nerdly enough to point me to the right IR amp or whatever to get this kind of sound...
https://open.spotify.com/track/6Xc20TtVbAAoxGIKHEqIwQ
It's Fountains DC. But it could be The Walkmen or even Fugazi... Nothing too special. I don't expect 100% accurate. If I could demo the packs... But sadly you can't.
Cheers!
is anyone using IR with thu rigs? Id like to try somer ML soundlab ones. is there an IR loadeR?
Up-thread, you will find much discussion of using IR’s. Consensus: Ownhammer IRs are generally an improvement over the built-in cabs and IRs and even better is using two or three cab IRs— one main/front IR supplemented with a REAR and/or ROOM IR.