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THU—Holy Grail for Fender sound

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  • edited November 2020

    I just updated and I think all my presets have gone... just a warning, I might be being having a stupid moment.

    EDIT: false alarm I now believe - high likelihood of 'too many devices' syndrome

  • @SNystrom said:
    Thanks for the update and review @JoyceRoadStudios!

    Hoping you will be able to compile a list of rigs that are better for single-coil vs humbuckers in time for any Black Friday sales.

    Been saving my pennies!

    I’m getting there, my stratty guitars are all in pieces right now! I’ve been off the forum lately, because I’ve been scooping up cheap strats at auctions and locally, replacing all the plastic nuts, adding stainless steel trems, and taking a dremel and solder to all parts of them, turning duds into studs. I’m not trying to resell and get rich, more like pass them on and make the money back that I spent on luthier tools over the years.

  • @steve99 said:
    I just updated and I think all my presets have gone... just a warning, I might be being having a stupid moment.

    Ooh that would be troubling, haven’t checked yet. Are you referring to amp presets being gone, or your midi settings are gone?

  • But it looks like they fixed the midi program change in AUv3 problem I’ve had previously (with Melo audio mp100 controller and Boss Rc-50), so at least I can now happily foot tap through the built in presets and effects :)

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @steve99 said:
    I just updated and I think all my presets have gone... just a warning, I might be being having a stupid moment.

    Ooh that would be troubling, haven’t checked yet. Are you referring to amp presets being gone, or your midi settings are gone?

    Both. I've just reimported my preset banks from a yet to be updated device. Now I'll update that one and see what happens...

  • @steve99 said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @steve99 said:
    I just updated and I think all my presets have gone... just a warning, I might be being having a stupid moment.

    Ooh that would be troubling, haven’t checked yet. Are you referring to amp presets being gone, or your midi settings are gone?

    Both. I've just reimported my preset banks from a yet to be updated device. Now I'll update that one and see what happens...

    Good thinking, I do the same with my iPad/iPhone, one updates auto and the other doesn’t. Sometimes you want to really test the update “changes”...

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @steve99 said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @steve99 said:
    I just updated and I think all my presets have gone... just a warning, I might be being having a stupid moment.

    Ooh that would be troubling, haven’t checked yet. Are you referring to amp presets being gone, or your midi settings are gone?

    Both. I've just reimported my preset banks from a yet to be updated device. Now I'll update that one and see what happens...

    Good thinking, I do the same with my iPad/iPhone, one updates auto and the other doesn’t. Sometimes you want to really test the update “changes”...

    All ok updating on my phone, apologies for the false alarm. Presets and midi settings intact. I think I must have reinstalled the app on the iPad in question to test the program change bug and then given up. So pleased that's been fixed, it was like having a Delorean with the doors stuck open.

  • Contemplating this new update, the “remastered cab” update is a huge improvement, but it seems almost misleading to me. I don’t remember the cab sim emulations sounding anything less than good. They were certainly some of the better cab sims when compared to other guitar apps. Now, when you activate “remastered cab” setting, you get so much more presence and clarity, like a cloud has been lifted. It really does sound good, but then when I go back to the original cab setting, I don’t even recognize it as the previous version of the app. The original cabs in the new update sound worse than what they used to sound like. Anyone else getting this impression? Anyone else noticing what a huge difference the new cab setting is making? A few things to note, this remaster is only for the cab sims, the rigs aren’t affected by this. I also noticed that with amp/cab setups that are already fizzy and crispy, the new cab setting actually goes too far and makes them fuzzier and harsher. So it’s not an asset for all presets but rather for most. The thing that’s bugging me is how dull and wooly it sounds now in the original setting...

    Another thing is that it seems a bug has been introduced with this update, or at least what I think is a bug. In the Master controls menu, the volume slider is not showing a number anymore but a symbol, and when you move the slider the symbol doesn’t change. So you don’t know where you are in comparison to where you were. There’s no way to know if you lowered it to -10db or are suddenly at +4db. It’s a strange change, as this slider is very important in determining the precise output level. Now when you exit the app and open back up, it doesn’t go back to 0 but stays in a mystery spot with no quantifier.

    Also, what in the world is “AS IN”?

  • I wish Overloud had someone like Andrea, like Nembrini does....

  • >
    Yup noticed that with the master volume as well and was wondering about the "as in" too. Also I haven't figured out this 4 microphone thing, I still just see 2.

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    Contemplating this new update, the “remastered cab” update is a huge improvement, but it seems almost misleading to me. I don’t remember the cab sim emulations sounding anything less than good. They were certainly some of the better cab sims when compared to other guitar apps. Now, when you activate “remastered cab” setting, you get so much more presence and clarity, like a cloud has been lifted. It really does sound good, but then when I go back to the original cab setting, I don’t even recognize it as the previous version of the app. The original cabs in the new update sound worse than what they used to sound like. Anyone else getting this impression? Anyone else noticing what a huge difference the new cab setting is making? A few things to note, this remaster is only for the cab sims, the rigs aren’t affected by this. I also noticed that with amp/cab setups that are already fizzy and crispy, the new cab setting actually goes too far and makes them fuzzier and harsher. So it’s not an asset for all presets but rather for most. The thing that’s bugging me is how dull and wooly it sounds now in the original setting...

    Another thing is that it seems a bug has been introduced with this update, or at least what I think is a bug. In the Master controls menu, the volume slider is not showing a number anymore but a symbol, and when you move the slider the symbol doesn’t change. So you don’t know where you are in comparison to where you were. There’s no way to know if you lowered it to -10db or are suddenly at +4db. It’s a strange change, as this slider is very important in determining the precise output level. Now when you exit the app and open back up, it doesn’t go back to 0 but stays in a mystery spot with no quantifier.

    Also, what in the world is “AS IN”?

  • You have Mic A and B then there are also a Rear Mic and a 45 Degree mic

  • Is there a Feedback emulator like the Digitech Freqout in any of the new AUv3 products?

  • @bobbyj8866 said:
    You have Mic A and B then there are also a Rear Mic and a 45 Degree mic

    I did see that but I thought that those were already there before the update.

  • edited November 2020

    @Bootsy said:

    @bobbyj8866 said:
    You have Mic A and B then there are also a Rear Mic and a 45 Degree mic

    I did see that but I thought that those were already there before the update.

    The 4 mics have always been there, that wasn’t part of this update. Just happened to be in the pic I took.

    The devs are very responsive and already working on a quick update to fix the Master Volume symbol issue. I see they already put out another update for the splitter/mixer.

    As for the remastered “AS IN” meaning, from the devs... “About remastered cabinets: from the master section you can select to have legacy cabinets, remastered cabinets, or either to “leave” this selection to be done inside each cabinet settings. For the latter of the three options, you just select “AS IN CABINET” and then, from each cabinet you use, select if you want it to play as legacy or remastered.” Makes sense.

  • @audiobussy said:
    I spent a lot of money over the years and here is the “best of” for around $50.

    First of all I bought the Funk collection. That gives you access to some nice pedals and a variety of amps

    If you are wondering if the Rigs are worth it… Holy smokes… I am amazed at their quality.

    Start with the American collection. Lots of nice stuff but the Twin Reverb is nuts. Tweak to taste.

    Finally, if you want to dig deep into it a great amp with a little bit more natural break up, check out the Choptones Super reverb.

    For what it’s worth, I also got the Mu Tron wah a la cart. And I am using a few pedals that I got in the funk collection.

    —-

    I have tried most of the amp sims. I am pleased also with Nembrini — particularly the Bst100.

    However, the Fender amp that I and others begged for is not the Fender amp or sound I am really looking for. See above suggestions for Overloud THU.

    For the first time ever, I am amazed with what I’m hearing and feeling.

    I've been using Overloud stuff for a while and I really like TH-U. But to be honest I haven't tried any others. How does it compare to its competitors in a similar price bracket?

  • McDMcD
    edited November 2020

    @Yellowcake1964 said:
    I've been using Overloud stuff for a while and I really like TH-U. But to be honest I haven't tried any others. How does it compare to its competitors in a similar price bracket?

    In my opinion it's the best option.

    The Nembrini Amps are good too but require a DAW to add FX and they have some great FX apps.

    @Blue_Magoo made a "Gain Stage - Vintage" that provides several clean to tube distortion presets with very limited controls (no bass-mid-treble knobs) but the sounds are useful for me and it's cheaper.

    FabFilter Saturn Saturator has many amp models and can be used to create many guitar tones with added FX and EQ controls.

    But TH-U has tone qualities I can't find in any other app... some still love Amplitube but it
    doesn't have that pristine (none fizzy) sound I find in TH-U. I can push TH-U to blow my brains out with amazingly accurate amplification.

    I'm sure it can also do Metal and Death Metal and Post Apocolypse Death Ray just as well.
    But I don't have the ear for those genres to know when it's close to the expensive hardware.
    But TH-U replaces my PolyTone amp... The PolyPhone clone in TH-U is my favorite amp model since I like that tube-y clean arch top tone of the jazz masters like Wes.

    I'd spend the $110 and fo Full if you like the free demo amps and presets. I did ala carte and over paid by about $25 at the end of the process. Buying ala carte could work for some if they ask the right questions and only seek one particular style. The "Rig Products" have that potential since they are a collection of presets based on one real Amp model.

  • @McD said: The PolyPhase clone in TH-U.

    Polyphone is the correct name. 😁

  • @Bootsy said:

    @McD said: The PolyPhase clone in TH-U.

    Polyphone is the correct name. 😁

    Thanks... I went back and edited my comment with the correct name. I used to pride myself
    on my memory but I'm getting up there and there are new holes in my neural nets I think.
    Just natural aging... I hope.

  • Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

    I listen to a podcast featuring Scott Henderson. He's known for his tone. He has to travel
    to make a living and for economic reasons he rents the amp for each location to be able to
    travel by plane and not have to cart a ton of gear. A whole gig for him and be ruined if he
    can't get good tone... the room, the rented equipment (quality and maintenance can vary on
    your typical Marshall amp), the speaker condition, the power conditioning in the facility, and on and on... He's spends a lot more time obsessing over tone than we do.

    For his studio he has a marshall set up in a bunker below his home and consistently changes the speakers in the cabinet because they only give him the right tone for a period of time and he's always thinking he had better tone a week ago. It's his obsession.

    He's played with Chick Corea and Joe Zawinul before starting his own group(s).

    I suspect most guitar héroes are also obsessed with finding and maintaining the perfect tone. A few are making the shift to DSP based rigs and getting a more predictable result
    for recording.

  • OK then. Maybe YOUR guitar heroes obsess over guitar tones. ;)

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

    I know of no "guitar hero" that doesn't obsess over tone. The same is probably true of any instrumentalist that masters their instrument tone is s huge part of expression. Even guys who seem like they've figured out an amazing sound often seem to keep tinkering.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

    I know of no "guitar hero" that doesn't obsess over tone. The same is probably true of any instrumentalist that masters their instrument tone is s huge part of expression. Even guys who seem like they've figured out an amazing sound often seem to keep tinkering.

    Ah, but that's different and perhaps I'm not expressing my thought well. There's no doubt that instrument tone is a huge part of expression, and I don't deny that every instrumentalist is constantly tinkering to find "their voice". I was saying that we obsess over replicating Guitarist X's tone down to the extremely nuanced qualities ("which pedal does she use on Song Y?"). Most great instrumentalists aren't thinking about replicating someone else's tone--they are thinking about how they play the sound they hear in their head. Again, I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I'm trying to distinguish between copying someone vs finding one's own voice.

  • @lukesleepwalker
    I get what your saying... we should stop tweaking and play more music. This tweaking obsession applies to synths too, IMHO.

    I do find that the tweaking can be immersive where playing or making music tracks turns on
    the internal critic and many apps/synths can create so many frustrations you just stop having fun. But tweaking is really immersive and addicting.

  • @McD said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

    I listen to a podcast featuring Scott Henderson. He's known for his tone. He has to travel
    to make a living and for economic reasons he rents the amp for each location to be able to
    travel by plane and not have to cart a ton of gear. A whole gig for him and be ruined if he
    can't get good tone... the room, the rented equipment (quality and maintenance can vary on
    your typical Marshall amp), the speaker condition, the power conditioning in the facility, and on and on... He's spends a lot more time obsessing over tone than we do.

    For his studio he has a marshall set up in a bunker below his home and consistently changes the speakers in the cabinet because they only give him the right tone for a period of time and he's always thinking he had better tone a week ago. It's his obsession.

    He's played with Chick Corea and Joe Zawinul before starting his own group(s).

    I suspect most guitar héroes are also obsessed with finding and maintaining the perfect tone. A few are making the shift to DSP based rigs and getting a more predictable result
    for recording.

    Here's an eye-opening (and very amusing) Scott Henderson interview with Tim Pierce and Pete Thorn. Definitely worth the watch for some great playing, tone, gear, and 'GuitarWank' tips.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Was thinking this today: I bet 99% of our guitar heroes spend 1% of the time we do obsessing over their guitar tone.

    I know of no "guitar hero" that doesn't obsess over tone. The same is probably true of any instrumentalist that masters their instrument tone is s huge part of expression. Even guys who seem like they've figured out an amazing sound often seem to keep tinkering.

    Ah, but that's different and perhaps I'm not expressing my thought well. There's no doubt that instrument tone is a huge part of expression, and I don't deny that every instrumentalist is constantly tinkering to find "their voice". I was saying that we obsess over replicating Guitarist X's tone down to the extremely nuanced qualities ("which pedal does she use on Song Y?"). Most great instrumentalists aren't thinking about replicating someone else's tone--they are thinking about how they play the sound they hear in their head. Again, I'm probably not expressing myself very well here but I'm trying to distinguish between copying someone vs finding one's own voice.

    Obsessing about duplicating someone else's tone is to me something different than obsessing over tone. It is also the case that one step on the journey to find one's own tone is often figuring out how to get into the ballpark of some tone you loved and jumping off from there. For example, a lot of guitarists I love went through a phase where they tried to get Hendrix's sound and that turned into their own thing.

    And there are people like Holdsworth and Pat Metheny that were obsessed with finding a tone unlike any other player...because they wanted to sound like another instrument.

    Some people fall into a trap of wanting to just be a clone. But I think that's it's own problem. Either one has the striving to be one's unique self or not. And sometimes clones turn into something else. Most don't, and that's the nature of art.

  • @McD said:

    @Bootsy said:

    @McD said: The PolyPhase clone in TH-U.

    Polyphone is the correct name. 😁

    Thanks... I went back and edited my comment with the correct name. I used to pride myself
    on my memory but I'm getting up there and there are new holes in my neural nets I think.
    Just natural aging... I hope.

    Hehe! I resemble that remark. Mine is more css, chs, crs. That polyphase amp really is quite nice..

  • @McD said:
    Is there a Feedback emulator like the Digitech Freqout in any of the new AUv3 products?

    I was using FabFilter's "Saturn" AUv3 FX app today and noticed it has a Feedback control. It works pretty good in front of TH-U to add the feedback sound that comes on up an octave. I'm testing with headphones but it would be good if someone could test it with a nice set of speakers and report back... maybe someone with a good collection of single coil and Les Paul guitars.

    Maybe? And get us to page 25.

  • edited November 2020

    @McD said:

    @McD said:
    Is there a Feedback emulator like the Digitech Freqout in any of the new AUv3 products?

    I was using FabFilter's "Saturn" AUv3 FX app today and noticed it has a Feedback control. It works pretty good in front of TH-U to add the feedback sound that comes on up an octave. I'm testing with headphones but it would be good if someone could test it with a nice set of speakers and report back... maybe someone with a good collection of single coil and Les Paul guitars.

    Maybe? And get us to page 25.

    Sounds like a combo worth testing. I get crazy earsplitting feedback with a loud amp sim on top of a cranked distortion pedal. Not the same I know...

    I actually record guitar feedback by plugging in two headphones via a splitter, or you can do it if your interface has two headphone jacks. You put one pair right up to the pickups as close as you can, like on a stand an inch away, then play right next to it, and bam you get feedback. Use a crappy openback pair for the sacrifice...

    In other news, I finally have a gain knob! Got the motu m4, extremely pleased, using my “problem” guitar, motu gain knob set at 9 o’clock max keeps me in the input sweet spot. Can definitely go higher with strat style. Some of the th-u amps have never sounded better actually, getting more into the DVMarks. Interfaces imprint a sound too, not just pickups. My old interfaces are over and out, M4 stays. Now to find a midi foot board...

  • @SNystrom @McD @Bootsy
    This is all your fault...

    And that’s just the “rehab” “upgrade” pile...

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