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Is NanoStudio 2 going to be updated ever again? Resolved.

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  • @dendy said:

    @niktu
    Can anyone tell me what date audio tracks was promised to be delivered by? If there was no date given, how does that mean ‘it’s not happening’ or must be ‘abandonware’?

    Let me sum whole story and note few things to calm down a little bit some speculations or some missinformation ...

    • released at the end of 2018, with plans for releasing iPhone version as first update spring 2019, then audio tracks later that year. No specific date given, some people incorrectly translated "later this year" to "september 2019" - of course, i cannot deny optimistic plans were fall 2019. As turned out, optimism is always bad thing when comes to development of app. But that were plans, and Matt (as so as we -beta team) really believed it will be fulfilled.

    • soon after release there was a HUGE amount of requests for AudioBus compatibility and a LOT of complains about issues with AU plugins. So plans changed and basically first half of 2019 was spend by fixes of AU issues, which consumed huge amount of energy and time (Matt very carefully debugged every single case and communicated with plugin devs a lot, it consumed really lot of time, what was worst and demotivating in many many cases at the end turned out that fix needs to be done in plugin not in NS, often there was infamous "wrong plugin sample rate / buffer size handling" issue - long and nasty story, Matt even wrote article about this - https://www.blipinteractive.co.uk/community/index.php?p=/discussion/479/some-notes-for-au-developers ) ..
      AudioBus integration wasn't painless too, at least few weeks, including stuck phase with one particular issue where again turned on it needs to be fixed in AudioBus (if i good remember Apple broken something at that time, again something related to sample rate handling but not sure with that)

    Anyway, in May 2019 there was delivered AudioBus + AU improvement fixes (at lot other small tweaks) + UI optimised for iPad Pro models (which was often requested too) ... then, without taking any break or rest, that guy stated to hard work on finalising iPhone version which was delivered in october 2019 - it took tiny bit more than initially planed but not much ..

    Now, i can't comment anything what followed, but i'm pretty sure when Matt will be ready to reveal any new info he will do it. He is alive and healthy (which is good info in terms of all Corona shit around:)).

    What does covid have to do with this. Why does being politically correct enter this sort of discussion.

  • @dendy said:

    • released at the end of 2018, with plans for releasing iPhone version as first update spring 2019, then audio tracks later that year.
      optimism is always bad thing when comes to development of app. But that were plans
      So plans changed
      AudioBus integration wasn't painless
      Anyway, in May 2019 there was delivered AudioBus + AU improvement fixes
      then, without taking any break or rest, started to hard work on finalising iPhone version which was delivered in october 2019
      Matt is alive and healthy (which is good info in terms of all Corona shit around:)).

    Thanks for documenting the shift from "intent" to "reality" with plans pivoting to other priorities. Optimism is not a bad thing. But holding a developer to your expectations is
    often a bad thing. Most devs are quite diligent... but terrible estimators of the work required.
    The bad devs just ship crap to save face or generate income or at the highest levels of the market... to protect share price.

    It sounds like Matt was responding to his most dedicated users requests.

  • edited September 2020

    @McD
    It sounds like Matt was responding to his most dedicated users requests.

    Sometimes it's mission impossible to find balance between user requests, own idea of where app should go and resources for realising all plans, ideas and requests .. But it is like it is, you can never satisfy everybody, so you have to pick who will be happy and who unhappy with your decisions (this is life truth, not just related to developement :))

  • Onya @dendy. Thx for the info. I thought it was just another classic case of peeps not taking responsibility for their own choices.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @Bill_Brasky said:

    @dendy said:
    Now, i can't comment anything what followed, but i'm pretty sure when Matt will be ready to reveal any new info he will do it. He is alive and healthy (which is good info in terms of all Corona shit around:)).

    What does covid have to do with this. Why does being politically correct enter this sort of discussion.

    Wow, what an incredibly dick thing to say. All @dendy did was to reassure those that were wondering if he’s OK that he is. Whether or not he is ill does have a bearing on your original question even if you don’t care on a personal level like some of us do. And wtf does mentioning COVID-19 have to do with political correctness?

    No need to be an asshole. It was a sincere attempt to answer people’s questions.

    [edit. Sorry, that was harsher than it should have been.]

  • edited September 2020

    @dendy said:

    Let me sum whole story and note few things to calm down a little bit some speculations or some missinformation ...

    • released at the end of 2018, with plans for releasing iPhone version as first update spring 2019, then audio tracks later that year. No specific date given, some people incorrectly translated "later this year" to "september 2019"

    Actually, that’s a bit of misinformation in itself. From a direct quote on here (from you, I think):

    “audio tracks - they’re sheduled for summer 2019... matt already needed to release it (and people asked for it a lot) .. there is already some preparation for audio tracks inside code, so definitely its one of most important milestones for next year... difference ween ns1 and ns2 is that with ns2 audio tracks (and many other features which will one day come) were part of plan from very beginning of app developement, so app is ready for such improvement”

    “sheduled for summer 2019”, and apparently “ready for such improvement”.

    No doubt they’ll be an attempt now to justify that one. Maybe we’ll have the £30 cup of coffee quotes again, a dismissal of the benefits of any kind of promotional activity whatsoever yet complaints about low returns, or random coding arguments? Maybe we can call people names again?

    @wim said:
    No need to be an asshole.

    Harsh.

    This forum is getting decidedly unfriendly. At best, it’s turning into an echo chamber, and as such losing value for those of us who like to hear views from all sides.

    Off again, see ya!

  • who cares? use it as it is, or don’t. if you love it great, if you dont, too bad. none of us are gonna walk away right or wrong with this pointless thread. If NS2 gets audio, i’ll be overjoyoed. If not, its great as it is. As long as it doesnt get abandoned i’m happy.

  • Off again? Jeez, perhaps the forum should have a sticky for those who want to 'announce' they're leaving....and then come back....then leave again...then pop back.....! (Echo's into the distance!)
    I think this playground should be closed, toys back in their boxes and have a nice cup of £30 coffee to calm down!
    I'm off - again! Ha!

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    No need to be an asshole.

    Harsh.

    This forum is getting decidedly unfriendly. At best, it’s turning into an echo chamber, and as such losing value for those of us who like to hear views from all sides.

    Yeh. Name calling was more than was called for. Too late to undo now but yes, I wish I had toned that one down.

  • @ajmiller said:
    Off again? Jeez, perhaps the forum should have a sticky for those who want to 'announce' they're leaving....and then come back....then leave again...then pop back.....! (Echo's into the distance!)
    I think this playground should be closed, toys back in their boxes and have a nice cup of £30 coffee to calm down!
    I'm off - again! Ha!

    Didn’t say I was leaving Mister, just don’t spend much time here anymore. I wonder why that is.

  • @Bill_Brasky said:

    @BroCoast said:
    All this bitching about promised app updates/features. This is beer money price bracket...

    Try waiting 2 years for promised features on an $8500 synth. 🍺

    Whats beer money tomyou isnt beer money to everyone. Take off the tunnel vision glasses “bro”.

    Ok bro.

    Well I would like audio tracks too but as the world doesn't revolve around me I can accept that the iphone version and other updates were more important to the other users of NS2.

  • “You may not haaaaaaaaaave ... audio tracks at allllll,
    But just remember, brothers and sisters, you can still make music tall,
    Just be thankfulllllll... for what you’ve got”

  • @KRPT said:
    “You may not haaaaaaaaaave ... audio tracks at allllll,
    But just remember, brothers and sisters, you can still make music tall,
    Just be thankfulllllll... for what you’ve got”

    If NS2 had audio tracks and midi clock out I would delete all my other DAWs.

  • @ajmiller said:
    Off again? Jeez, perhaps the forum should have a sticky for those who want to 'announce' they're leaving....and then come back....then leave again...then pop back.....! (Echo's into the distance!)
    I think this playground should be closed, toys back in their boxes and have a nice cup of £30 coffee to calm down!
    I'm off - again! Ha!

    Lol. So true. Drama queens

  • “Might only be beer money to you”
    It’s astonishing how people with iPad full of apps can claim poverty, have a look at the world around you and count your blessings instead of moaning

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  • I know it feels good to have a moan but it probably makes sense to ask about audio tracks (and AU FX automation!) over on the Blip Interactive forum where the developer might actually read it. I don’t think he’s ever posted here has he?

    Otherwise it’s just a lot of hot air really isn’t it?

    https://www.blipinteractive.co.uk/community/

  • @ehehehe said:
    Would urge anyone who bought it in the last three months to get one with the argument of main features not being delivered as promised.

    Why? I just bought the app 2 days ago, have finished a song about half way while learning the app, and am completely happy with it. Assuming you didn't mean "anyone".

  • @ehehehe said:
    Intua-level business practice, will stay away from these devs until they actually deliver. Just tried getting a refund, which is impossible after three months. Would urge anyone who bought it in the last three months to get one with the argument of main features not being delivered as promised. Would never had bought a pure midi-app.

    You bought an app that didn't do what you needed because why exactly?

  • Apparently the IAP are broken under iOS 14 so the dev pushing out a fix to sort it. Proves he still working.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    Apparently the IAP are broken under iOS 14 so the dev pushing out a fix to sort it. Proves he still working.

    He should also remove all midi functionality while he’s at it, because he’s had it up to here with all this drama.

  • @cian said:

    @ehehehe said:
    Intua-level business practice, will stay away from these devs until they actually deliver. Just tried getting a refund, which is impossible after three months. Would urge anyone who bought it in the last three months to get one with the argument of main features not being delivered as promised. Would never had bought a pure midi-app.

    You bought an app that didn't do what you needed because why exactly?

    That poor nail, why would you hit it on the head like that?

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  • I've not used this app for a long while, did it ever get the fix for the midi fx chain bug?
    So can you use multiple midi fx in a chain together successfully? This was the bug which made me lose interest.

  • @ehehehe said:

    @cian said:
    You bought an app that didn't do what you needed because why exactly?

    Because the developer promised audio tracks, why else do you imagine?

    Why wouldn't you wait until the developer delivered on audio tracks?

    Now, why are you defending a company with terrible business practices? I’ve learned not to trust any upcoming feature promises ever again, thankfully not a very expensive lesson since i got it on sale.

    See what I think happened is that you saw it was on sale and decided to take a gamble. You reasoned you could get a discount by effectively buying it in advance.

    Which is fine, I've done the same myself in the past. But I also recognize that behavior for what it is - a gamble.

    But to put this in context you're complaining that an app that you bought for $10, and which you admit has a nice synth (which you can still use through IAA/Audiobus), has not delivered on features that are currently only available in $40 apps.

    That's the complaint?

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  • The irony is strong with this one.

  • @Carnbot said:
    I've not used this app for a long while, did it ever get the fix for the midi fx chain bug?
    So can you use multiple midi fx in a chain together successfully? This was the bug which made me lose interest.

    Probably not. The AU3 stuff annoys me more than the audio stuff TBH. Though none of the DAWs seem to be able to handle AU3s well for some reason.

  • While early purchasers of NS2 can be rightfully steamed that the audio track IAP hasn’t been released more than a year after the originally projected release. I can’t see how recent purchasers can be steamed about that. It has long been known that it isn’t imminent or happening soon.

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