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OT: I live in the US and I voted today!
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Like I said, some very smart folks here. @ExAsperis99 , do you think you might put that to music?
there's alot of people who think just like me...just not in your circle
you were the first who posted condescendingly. Obviously you can't take your own medicine
@ExAsperis99 this is soooo beautiful!!! Love you for this!!!
As @LinearLineman says: let’s make some music out of it!!!
Inspires me alotttt!
I would happily take credit for this, but this is from "Waiting for Godot," which I HIGHLY recommend reading. It's short, genius, brutal and hilarious. It's perfect for 2020.
Thank you! didn’t know. I once read the german interpretation of it: the little god awaited by Laurel and Hardy (Estragon und Wladimir)
Sorry! So much OT!
@cian .... http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php ...on the medias control by cia.
Do your own research . You do have google on your comp , right ? The cia memoryholed doc number was previously mentioned... , and I once saw it and might even have kept a copy, but I'm not going to waste a few hours trying to convince you of something you really have no desire to be convinced....and whether or not cia actually invented or appropriated it, it's current usage is grandfathered over from assassination researchers coming up with some serious questions.
Today it's a pejorative of the highest order to degrade an argument....... The univ of alaska study , I've read was peer reviewed . Go to 911blogger. Kevin Ryan is a sharp person. Regardless , Hulsey is a well known and respected academic and the study was authentic. Go to A&E and see what they say about the study. And furthermore , any dumbass watching wtc 7 fall into it's own footprint at freefall acceleration, knows the obvious, that there was no chaotic catastrophic failure whatsoever. And videos have proven that not only wtc 7 , but both the towers also entered freefall acceleration territory as well. Wtc 7 was ignored for about 3 years, because frankly, everyone thought it was the obvious planes. Sound like a plan to you ? Computer models are defined by the data input by the cs. I'm in my studio and frankly this argument I've had for almost 20 years , is getting boring, and sadly, over the course, I've come to the conclusion that most americans can't believe something unless they see it on cnn. The oni investigation into the missing 2.3 trillion is common knowledge.
https://missingmoney.solari.com/missing-money-chronology/ ..... Your strategy is simply to try to tear the pieces into so many they can't possibly be interpreted.
.....I hope I've made one or two people want to think. Americans fight tooth and nail against anything said , trying to dissuade themselves america isn't amerika. But they don't take responsibility for their govts destruction outside their borders. The war in iraq. Yep, americans did alot to make their govt responsible for that. Killed a half a million people. Vietnam....a million. The drug war in mexico. How bout all those ak47's you brought down and gave to murdering cartels ? And I've just skimmed the surface. But believe me , we won't let you forget what war crimes your vote wrought in the next four years. At least the 'love it or leave it'ers" just say outright they don't care what crimes we commit. We're americans and have god on our side regardless. You say the same thing just differently. Your too lazy to even go see the evidence at architects and engineers. Sad.
Considering the lengthy bout regarding verious conspiracy theories, I think your post was a very minor digression. 🤗
(Nothing against the co-conspirators. Very interesting to read!)
I keep thinking about this.
I am sure there are truths in what @kurth says as well as those who eloquently and knowledgeably refute him. Figuring out which truths are which... that’s another another story.
Is this worth getting hot under the collar about? I mean since when is arrogance or even condescension worth a hoot and a holler? You can only counter with self righteousness. It’s a no win situation, IMO.
Is @kurth harming anyone with his opinions? I don’t think so. I don’t think Jesus was the son of god
and I could probably say so here without much objection. I think he may not have existed at all, but if he did he was most likely a swarthy, nappy, skinny, slouchy Jew who probably croaked his Bar Mitzvah portion with a pubescent honking, and whose mother was impregnated with him on a random Friday night. That’s my opinion. Certainly as inflammatory to some as what our Mexican friend is saying. Why can I say that and not that their was nefariousness in the WTC attack? I mean their was a second shooter on the grassy knoll, right?
Is it always not what someone says but how they say it? You can’t fault opinionated people if it makes you opinionated in the way you respond.
We excommunicated someone on this thread (albeit temporarily) because, at bottom (yes, I know, @Max23 is not a dumbass and shouldn’t be called one) we dislike, condescend, feel arrogant, self righteous and opinionated about how he thought. But kurth hates Trump. Isn’t that enough to welcome him into the tribe?
One can easily argue that wanting an amoral, authoritarian, corrupt, incompetent racist as a leader is a threat to democracy. But suspicions about governments, their histories and policies certainly is not. Lordy, we’re all assholes one way or another. Maybe if we recognized that we could come together in a great asshole club and laugh about our own assholian policies.
I don't fault kurth for being an expat With opinions about his homeland, just as I give leeway (Mostly] to Max’s extracontinental opinions. Our own @Daveypoo is heading for Italia as fast as possible. I’m sure he will take his American disappointments with him. And I had plenty of POVs when I lived in Istanbul (for which I was once called out here. Ouch!
Kurth doesn’t need me to defend him, and I’m not. At least that’s not my aim. My aim is acceptance of all types so long as they refrain from violence and viciousness. Of course I can easily ignore them in a virtual space. Why is it so satisfying not to?
It is fun to intellectually spar with others. Especially here. Why spoil the fun by making it meanspirited?
10.Er... well, because any good polemic should have ten bullets.
for real conspiracy theory, read e p heidner. It's a nom de plume. Rumor is he/she is the 40th oni investigator that survived the pentagon attack. Just to say 'pentagon' and that they knowingly named it so , is a pretty deep rabbithole by itself. Heavy shite. Sadly I'll force you to use google. I always try to not get personal but when attacked , well my nature is go for the nose.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pqyl7 this video used to be on youtube , about 4 different copies, and is getting memoryholed. Big problem for young americans that they can;t find the information anymore . Oh and that bbc reported wtc 7 collapse about 20 minutes early, and the building can be seen in the background as they're reporting. Mi6 was heavily invested.
Time to heal this country, no matter what “side” you’re on, if you are in the USA and are a citizen or want to be one, you are an American. It would be ok with me if people, regardless of which party they belong to, approached individual issues at individual issues and for the good of the country. Imagine if that happened.
Yes, I reposted my post. Conspiracy theories, wokeness, social media, blah blah blah. It's all so tiring and none of it has changed much about the world. Not many people are going to read a random post on the internet and think, "Your know, everything I've ever believed in and based my life off of is totally wrong, let me do a 180 right now." Until the next theory comes along.
If we start by being good to those around us it brings light to a dark place and that can spread.
https://www.facebook.com/davematthewsband/videos/276336630400623
That's a good article. However what it describes is media collusion and partnerships with the CIA, which is a very different thing. The NYT isn't being controlled by the CIA puppetmasters as you suggested, but is choosing to work with the CIA for a range of reasons ranging from 'patriotism', to excitement (I'm guessing some people like to play spy) to wanting access to stories. The NYT doesn't write stories about S. America at the direction of the CIA (or suppress stories written by Chris Hedges) because the CIA control them, but because they think it's the right thing to do.
You are making claims that apparently you can't back up. If you don't want to back them up that's fine, but don't get upset when people don't believe you.
I stated from the outset that I have no problem with conspiracy theories as a concept, I just think they need a degree of evidence that you seem uninterested in providing. Gary Webb's conspiracy theories about CIA involvement in Latin American drug smuggling were well founded to give one example. A well funded right wing conspiracy to dictate state legislation for shadowy right wing billionares is a real thing (ALEC). But that doesn't mean I have to believe a conspiracy theory about how the US didn't go to the Moon.
It really wasn't. It also hasn't been published in any journal, not even one of the weird ones that nobody reads.
I have no idea if he is or not. However, he's not an expert on skyscrapers, or their collapse. And the study did not go through the usual scientific peer review/publication process. Now if you want to claim it's a good study anyway then nobody can stop you. However you can't claim that it's an 'academic' study, or went it through the usual scientific process, because it didn't. It's a study that an academic undertook independently, did not bother to publish and that has been ignored by the wider civil engineering academic community.
All kinds of things that seem obvious turn out not to be true when you study them carefully and scientifically.
Perhaps. However in my case I acknowledge that except in a few areas I'm not an expert and I'm probably better off paying attention to people who are, rather than developing my own bizarre theories based upon common sense. It's not perfect but what is.
You claimed that the ONI people who were died on 9/11 were investigating this and were killed to prevent them from uncovering something. You have provided zero evidence for this pretty astounding claim.
For anyone who's interested, this Nation article is pretty good on the staggering black holes at the heart of Pentagon accounting:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/pentagon-audit-budget-fraud/
I agree that all these things and many other US war crimes are terrible. However none of these have anything to do with your wild conspiracy theories. It's quite possible to believe that the CIA was responsible for the deaths of 500,000 people in Indonesia, but also not believe that they blew up the twin towers.
So you're saying it would have been better to vote for Trump? Seems eccentric.
Oh trust me, I did look at it a long time ago...
Can we get some moderation on this “kurth” guy? @Michael (peddling conspiracy theories, false info, etc should be a strict no-go)
I don’t think @kurth has turned you @ChrisG. Or anyone else. This isn’t PianoWorld. No need to call the ref, IMO.
a matter of degree only
We didn't mention the moon. You look for any leak in the tub and extrapolate that to mean the titantic didn't really sink. Gary Webb was executed btw. Shot himself in the head.... twice. Good trick.
well, small point ...in the overall subject of if wtc7 was a controlled demolition. check out danny jowenko http://www1.ae911truth.org/home/550-jowenko.html
jaja...there is no expert on skyscrapers collapsing. It's never happened ever except here, and there's been dozens of steel framed skyscrapers that suffered terrible fires.
oh really...maybe the theory of relativity
those paid experts are paid to propagandize you, usually by council of foreign relations, or some other rockefeller founded group
whoa trigger...I never said they were killed to prevent them from anything. That was a simple inference many people have made. Fact there was 2.3 trillion missing. Fact...oni was investigating it. Fact 39 or the 40 investigators died on 911, and the investigation went poof.
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I've read it.
no ? ...the Bush administration specifically used 911 and blamed Sadam. We also invaded afghanistan because we wanted osama bin laden. The taliban asked for one little piece of proof osama was involved. They don't have any. then later we threw him in the ocean so we could learn what happened directly from him. GEt it from the fishes.
nope ....not all. You haven't rea my posts. I'm standing with ralph nader and saying 'don't vote'...you only perpetuate the problem.
then you would already know about all the evidence for controlled demolition.
jajaja....yes, but it's only false....if you're braindead. Sadly you just revealed yourself as intolerant and closed minded. Does it feel good ?
adios
@kurth
I can’t see how moving to Mexico and not voting is going to change anything in the U.S. , even though I am not arguing against the stuff you are bringing up.
Could you briefly explain the cause and effect of this?
I seem to be too dim to understand.
They called Pennsylvania for Biden putting him at 273.
I live in mexico. I'm not advocating moving...however it was my belief many decades ago that the usa will not be a place conducive to making music...or art, or anything else creative. Escaping was the only sane alternative. And that was 35 years ago. Mexico is great for creativity btw. And I really don't care about halting it's demise. However ya'll should care. But in it's present incarnation, the world would be better off without it. And not voting is the only non violent pathway out of this mess. Ralph Nader stated , I believe in 2008 ( don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if my date is incorrect ) that if a low voter turnout threshold is met, the election would be tossed out. That would most likely mean the destruction of the two party system, which has got the usa in it's stranglehold. Paraphrasing from memory. Do you really think voting for one of these political goons is going to make things better ? Just watch and wait. > @sippy_cup said:
I’m not seeing that @CracklePot.
If so, it's going to get theatrical. But even cnn doesn't have this posted so ? And trump still has alot of legal challenging cakes in the oven...all perfectly legal. It's a game. It's got rules. I'd recommend to abstain from challenging your opponents no matter which side you're on. pss....and that's what happens when you get your news from just one source.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/J911S/articles/ ...curious people can start here
Ugh not friggin conspiracy theories in this post. First theres a trump fanboy and now conspiracy theorist whos convinced that everything he reads is 100% right. The 911 truther movement has about as much validity as the elections being rigged by the dems. I have seen the crappily produced documentaries, read many crappily written articles and no, i am not convinced that any of this goes beyond typical conspiracy.
Go Back to your flat earth forums and Stop trying to convince people here that your articles are more valid than others.
nope ..better you go put your head back in the sand. It's safer there. A little safe place for people who don't want to hear it...the terrible truth. As to you reading and watching everything.....I seriously doubt it.
Conspiracy theories I can tolerate........however.........I hate the....overused......and......abused..................................................
Conspiracy theorists like yourself give government agencies way too much credit. Thinking they can create some super deep labyrinth of mysteries and puzzles. Like theyre more than human (i know, i know, theyre lizards)
My head is in the clouds as I am high. Its clear to me that it is your head buried deep in the ground.
Now after seeing the mental state of US musicians, or at least those that still vote, no wonder american music is in such bad shape. Truthfully I've listened to alot of your samples and I've only seen one real musician in the forum. Alot of people have some technical knowledge on how to setup the ipad for different usage, though, that's as far as it gets.