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  • Not all Orange sounds like lying crap.

  • @WillieNegus said:
    Arizona “MAGA”: COUNT THE VOTES!!🤬

    PA/GA “MAGA”: STOP COUNTING VOTES!!🤬

    🤡

    FACT

  • Dumbass Donnie is the only "Orange" I don't love! > @tahiche said:

    Not all Orange sounds like lying crap.

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  • "It is what it is."

  • Why would anyone vote for a man who wanted to nuke a tornado, I don’t get it 🤷‍♂️

  • If you were one of Donnie's cult members, you'd totally understand! 🤓

  • I’m ashamed to live in Florida. Georgia may be the place for me. Or Pennsylvania. Music is popular there, right?

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  • So very true, Max.

    I was actually hoping for Trump to win so in a petulant rage he would demand California leave "'Murcia" cause on two occasions they didn't vote for him.

    "So nasty!"

    It would be so awesome to become our own nation — plus Donnie would build all the walls around us to protect us from his cult! 🤗

    "California will pay for the walls, believe me!" 🙄

  • @SNystrom said:
    So very true, Max.

    I was actually hoping for Trump to win so in a petulant rage he would demand California leave "'Murcia" cause on two occasions they didn't vote for him.

    "So nasty!"

    It would be so awesome to become our own nation — plus Donnie would build all the walls around us to protect us from his cult! 🤗

    "California will pay for the walls, believe me!" 🙄

    Don’t wish the cheeto on the rest of us. Unless you’re willing to foot the bill for the girlfriend and me to move out that way.

  • Hahaha!

    Was looking at registering for political asylum in Canada, but apparently there is a treaty prohibiting that.

  • edited November 2020

    @tja said:

    @kurth said:

    @tja said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    @kurth, too long, don’t read. Don’t feel bad, I’m still trying to figure out llrc.

    More concrete "Too long, didn't read"

    somewhat more palatable , but more concrete ? More likely what he wanted to say. Less dictatorial.

    I don't understand what you're saying here.

    "Don't read" is a recommendation. What you tell other's to do or not to do.

    "Didn't read" is a statement. What you did or not did.

    That's quite a difference, or?

    I just wanted to correct this.

    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

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  • http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/11/heres-our-historical-analogy-menu-rome.html ...it's really quite simple. The usa is coming apart at the seams...probable karmic revenge for tearing apart dozens of other countries over the last half a century. When's the last time you protested a foreign invasion by your govt, instead of trump ? Let's hope, when Biden declares war with russia, or china, or both, he doesn't reinstate the draft. There's no more safeharbor canada to run off to.

  • @kurth said:
    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

    In my case it was the total lack of paragraphs and formatting that made it hard to read. Yes there were periods at the end of sentences but visually it looked like one long run on sentence. I did scan it briefly but it appeared to be flirting with various conspiracy theories which I have no use for. America has been living through one conspiracy theory after another for the last four years and we are exhausted.

  • @Max23 said:
    If I look at all the gathered corona data
    The curves in Europe and USA are completely different
    We had one wave and are now in the 2nd

    Americas curves show 3 waves


    Germany vs USA
    ( curve from Italy doesn’t look much different...)

    America is in the 3rd wave now :o
    It’s worse than I thought

    Europe closed down
    That’s why it’s not the 3rd wave here

    More waves could still arrive, because the progression of the virus has been limited by measures taken and also the possible limited immunity of infection or vaccination. Also again we are witnessing the ease of which this virus can cross into other species in regards to the mink population in Denmark.

  • edited November 2020

    @yowza said:

    @kurth said:
    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

    In my case it was the total lack of paragraphs and formatting that made it hard to read. Yes there were periods at the end of sentences but visually it looked like one long run on sentence. I did scan it briefly but it appeared to be flirting with various conspiracy theories which I have no use for. America has been living through one conspiracy theory after another for the last four years and we are exhausted.

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination. America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film. Well it turned out we had overthrown the libyan govt and were stealing all their weapons and sending them to our al qaeda fighters in syria to overthrow syria. Yes , we created al qaeda. Yes it's no conspiracy theory. We also did 911. Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished. This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth. That's why you're electing scumbags for office. That's why americans are 'disliked' all over the world. Was that short enough for your attention span ?

  • @kurth said:

    @yowza said:

    @kurth said:
    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

    In my case it was the total lack of paragraphs and formatting that made it hard to read. Yes there were periods at the end of sentences but visually it looked like one long run on sentence. I did scan it briefly but it appeared to be flirting with various conspiracy theories which I have no use for. America has been living through one conspiracy theory after another for the last four years and we are exhausted.

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination. America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film. Well it turned out we had overthrown the libyan govt and were stealing all their weapons and sending them to our al qaeda fighters in syria to overthrow syria. Yes , we created al qaeda. Yes it's no conspiracy theory. We also did 911. Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished. This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth. That's why you're electing scumbags for office. That's why americans are 'disliked' all over the world. Was that short enough for your attention span ?

    Blah blah blah more fact free conspiracy theories. I don't care how well it might have been written, you’re not getting graded on writing. I don’t elect scumbags. It’s obvious you think you’re smarter than everyone else and feel some need to convince everyone else but news flash- you’re not. You’re certainly entitled to have your own opinion and the last time I looked, I’m entitled to have mine. Honestly you are starting to sound like like every other garden variety internet troll. This is my last response so if you continue this, you’ll be talking to yourself, have fun.

  • It's almost over, Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania:

  • @yowza said:

    @kurth said:

    @yowza said:

    @kurth said:
    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

    In my case it was the total lack of paragraphs and formatting that made it hard to read. Yes there were periods at the end of sentences but visually it looked like one long run on sentence. I did scan it briefly but it appeared to be flirting with various conspiracy theories which I have no use for. America has been living through one conspiracy theory after another for the last four years and we are exhausted.

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination. America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film. Well it turned out we had overthrown the libyan govt and were stealing all their weapons and sending them to our al qaeda fighters in syria to overthrow syria. Yes , we created al qaeda. Yes it's no conspiracy theory. We also did 911. Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished. This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth. That's why you're electing scumbags for office. That's why americans are 'disliked' all over the world. Was that short enough for your attention span ?

    Blah blah blah more fact free conspiracy theories. I don't care how well it might have been written, you’re not getting graded on writing. I don’t elect scumbags. It’s obvious you think you’re smarter than everyone else and feel some need to convince everyone else but news flash- you’re not. You’re certainly entitled to have your own opinion and the last time I looked, I’m entitled to have mine. Honestly you are starting to sound like like every other garden variety internet troll. This is my last response so if you continue this, you’ll be talking to yourself, have fun.

    https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/dont-fool-yourself-your-biden-vote-was-not-a-vote-against-fascism-efcffc297ec7

  • edited November 2020

    @kurth said:

    @yowza said:

    @kurth said:

    @yowza said:

    @kurth said:
    I know that ...relax, but perhaps 'more accurate' is better than more concrete . However in the end as we were informed TL and DR meant 'don't read', but there was no summary. Amazed at how short attention spans have become, that 100 words is too long, and that people actually think cnn is any different than fox. They're both propaganda machine for their perspective false narratives.

    In my case it was the total lack of paragraphs and formatting that made it hard to read. Yes there were periods at the end of sentences but visually it looked like one long run on sentence. I did scan it briefly but it appeared to be flirting with various conspiracy theories which I have no use for. America has been living through one conspiracy theory after another for the last four years and we are exhausted.

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination. America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film. Well it turned out we had overthrown the libyan govt and were stealing all their weapons and sending them to our al qaeda fighters in syria to overthrow syria. Yes , we created al qaeda. Yes it's no conspiracy theory. We also did 911. Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished. This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth. That's why you're electing scumbags for office. That's why americans are 'disliked' all over the world. Was that short enough for your attention span ?

    Blah blah blah more fact free conspiracy theories. I don't care how well it might have been written, you’re not getting graded on writing. I don’t elect scumbags. It’s obvious you think you’re smarter than everyone else and feel some need to convince everyone else but news flash- you’re not. You’re certainly entitled to have your own opinion and the last time I looked, I’m entitled to have mine. Honestly you are starting to sound like like every other garden variety internet troll. This is my last response so if you continue this, you’ll be talking to yourself, have fun.

    https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/dont-fool-yourself-your-biden-vote-was-not-a-vote-against-fascism-efcffc297ec7

    Obviously you're electing scumbags...and don't even know it . And 'fact free' ? Everything I post can be fact checked. I could post links but it's obviously not worth the trouble. Sadly america is getting what it deserves. And btw...most likely I am.

  • @kurth said:

    >

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination.

    This isn't actually true, though it's fun that there's a conspiracy theory about the origins of the term. The CIA used the term in the report, but there's no evidence that they tried to make it a common term. It only came into common usage in the 80s.

    America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film.

    While I could point to a number of conspiracies that are real (Iran-Contra being a very easy example here) and there are countries where it's impossible to understand events there without believing in conspiracies (Turkey, Pakistan and Italy), Benghazi was not a conspiracy and it kind of points to the limitations of a conspiratorial way of thinking. The story in Benghazi was that the CIA had captured a militia leader and were torturing him in their base, and the guy's militia attacked the embassy (where the CIA were based) to try and get him back. The cover up was because this story was incredibly embarrassing (and also because the CIA probably lied to Hillary Clinton about it initially).

    Yes , we created al qaeda.

    This isn't really true. The US helped make Jihadists a more potent force in Afghanistan by providing training/resources, but the main source of them were the Gulf states and the Saudis. Certainly the use of them in Afghanistan was incredibly cynical (and in retrospect very dangerous), but the US were using an existing resource. I think if were to point the finger at a single source for Al-Quaeda it would be the Saudi government (who keep power by making deals with Salafists) and various Gulf state billionaires.

    The state/justice department actually came up with the name Al-Quaeda in an indictment for the original WTC bombing when they were trying to put together a conspiracy charge. As an organization there's not much evidence that Al-Quaeda really existed until after 9/11, which made Bin Ladin a star (he was not hugely significant in the ME prior to that - and there are some amusing stories about him getting his ass kicked in the Sudan in the 90s by other Salafists).

    The CIA did ally with Al-Quaeda in Syria, which is amusing because the Pentagon were simultaneously trying to destroy them. At various points in Syria Pentagon forces were fighting with CIA forces. Also Al-Quaeda forces are being used by the Saudis (who are being supported by the US in various ways) in Yemen.

    We also did 911.

    There is zero evidence for this. 9/11 was the plan of Mohamed Atta, who shopped it around to various groups in the ME to get funding. Bin Ladin liked it and provided funds (both directly, and also by giving them access to Gulf state money), though he didn't really do it in any meaningful sense of the word. The Salafist wing of Saudi intelligence, which exists because the Saudi royal family has an arrangement with the extremists in order to keep power, provided them with resources to get them into the US and flight training (and also helped cover up what they were doing). The CIA, because they work closely with Saudi intelligence, helped cover up what the Saudis did (not realizing that they were planning a terrorist attack on US soil) because that's kind of what the CIA had been doing for their embarrassing allies for 20-30 years. After 9/11 I think they realized that this had the potential to be a huge scandal, which is why the official report has some pretty major holes in it... A lot of this has slowly come out in the last 20 years thanks to the law suit brought by 9/11 families against Saudi Arabia, though it's got very limited coverage in the US press.

    Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished.

    The first sentence is true. The second sentence is false. They made no claims about what caused it to collapse, and when interviewed have simply said they think there needs to be more investigation as they think it has important implications for the design of high rises. In other words they think there is some hitherto not understood structural issue, and that engineers/scientists should investigate it (This is actually very common whenever a big engineering failure occurs). They've been pretty explicit that they don't see this as support for the controlled explosives hypothesis.

    Also peer reviewed doesn't mean it's necessarily true. It just means they don't make any obvious incorrect arguments. In science and engineering you will typically find multiple theories flying around, with one gradually reaching consensus. Not being a structural engineer I couldn't tell you if this is a controversial theory, or even one that holds up to further analysis.

    This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth.

    Possibly, but I think your problem is you believe anything that confirms your biases, and disbelieve anything that contradicts them. I have no problem with analyzing conspiracies, and I find the work of Peter Dale Scott, or interesting even if I often disagree with him. But if you're going to analyze them you have to apply the same level of skepticism that you'd apply to anything else.

  • @kurth said:
    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/11/heres-our-historical-analogy-menu-rome.html ...it's really quite simple. The usa is coming apart at the seams...probable karmic revenge for tearing apart dozens of other countries over the last half a century. When's the last time you protested a foreign invasion by your govt, instead of trump ? Let's hope, when Biden declares war with russia, or china, or both, he doesn't reinstate the draft. There's no more safeharbor canada to run off to.

    Where are you from?

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  • @Max23

    “If we put our shit together” i dont see this happening without support of your greatest ally. Germany cannot heal Europe alone.

  • @richardyot said:
    It's almost over, Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania:

    Trumps cult want to make PA and Georgia a battleground, Steve Bannon wants executions with heads on spikes and Fux News is stirring it all, shenanigans abound they say. While Donnie tries to keep his head down in his bunker.

  • @cian said:

    @kurth said:

    >

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination.

    This isn't actually true, though it's fun that there's a conspiracy theory about the origins of the term. The CIA used the term in the report, but there's no evidence that they tried to make it a common term. It only came into common usage in the 80s.

    America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film.

    While I could point to a number of conspiracies that are real (Iran-Contra being a very easy example here) and there are countries where it's impossible to understand events there without believing in conspiracies (Turkey, Pakistan and Italy), Benghazi was not a conspiracy and it kind of points to the limitations of a conspiratorial way of thinking. The story in Benghazi was that the CIA had captured a militia leader and were torturing him in their base, and the guy's militia attacked the embassy (where the CIA were based) to try and get him back. The cover up was because this story was incredibly embarrassing (and also because the CIA probably lied to Hillary Clinton about it initially).

    Yes , we created al qaeda.

    This isn't really true. The US helped make Jihadists a more potent force in Afghanistan by providing training/resources, but the main source of them were the Gulf states and the Saudis. Certainly the use of them in Afghanistan was incredibly cynical (and in retrospect very dangerous), but the US were using an existing resource. I think if were to point the finger at a single source for Al-Quaeda it would be the Saudi government (who keep power by making deals with Salafists) and various Gulf state billionaires.

    The state/justice department actually came up with the name Al-Quaeda in an indictment for the original WTC bombing when they were trying to put together a conspiracy charge. As an organization there's not much evidence that Al-Quaeda really existed until after 9/11, which made Bin Ladin a star (he was not hugely significant in the ME prior to that - and there are some amusing stories about him getting his ass kicked in the Sudan in the 90s by other Salafists).

    The CIA did ally with Al-Quaeda in Syria, which is amusing because the Pentagon were simultaneously trying to destroy them. At various points in Syria Pentagon forces were fighting with CIA forces. Also Al-Quaeda forces are being used by the Saudis (who are being supported by the US in various ways) in Yemen.

    We also did 911.

    There is zero evidence for this. 9/11 was the plan of Mohamed Atta, who shopped it around to various groups in the ME to get funding. Bin Ladin liked it and provided funds (both directly, and also by giving them access to Gulf state money), though he didn't really do it in any meaningful sense of the word. The Salafist wing of Saudi intelligence, which exists because the Saudi royal family has an arrangement with the extremists in order to keep power, provided them with resources to get them into the US and flight training (and also helped cover up what they were doing). The CIA, because they work closely with Saudi intelligence, helped cover up what the Saudis did (not realizing that they were planning a terrorist attack on US soil) because that's kind of what the CIA had been doing for their embarrassing allies for 20-30 years. After 9/11 I think they realized that this had the potential to be a huge scandal, which is why the official report has some pretty major holes in it... A lot of this has slowly come out in the last 20 years thanks to the law suit brought by 9/11 families against Saudi Arabia, though it's got very limited coverage in the US press.

    Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished.

    The first sentence is true. The second sentence is false. They made no claims about what caused it to collapse, and when interviewed have simply said they think there needs to be more investigation as they think it has important implications for the design of high rises. In other words they think there is some hitherto not understood structural issue, and that engineers/scientists should investigate it (This is actually very common whenever a big engineering failure occurs). They've been pretty explicit that they don't see this as support for the controlled explosives hypothesis.

    Also peer reviewed doesn't mean it's necessarily true. It just means they don't make any obvious incorrect arguments. In science and engineering you will typically find multiple theories flying around, with one gradually reaching consensus. Not being a structural engineer I couldn't tell you if this is a controversial theory, or even one that holds up to further analysis.

    This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth.

    Possibly, but I think your problem is you believe anything that confirms your biases, and disbelieve anything that contradicts them. I have no problem with analyzing conspiracies, and I find the work of Peter Dale Scott, or interesting even if I often disagree with him. But if you're going to analyze them you have to apply the same level of skepticism that you'd apply to anything else.

    Wow! Very impressive refutation.

  • @tahiche said:
    Not all Orange sounds like lying crap.

    😺👍🏼

  • @LinearLineman said:

    @cian said:

    @kurth said:

    >

    It was written well. Do you know that the term 'conspiracy theory' was invented by cia to confuse and confound people such as yourself....a degrading term so people wouldn't research and investigate the kennedy assassination.

    This isn't actually true, though it's fun that there's a conspiracy theory about the origins of the term. The CIA used the term in the report, but there's no evidence that they tried to make it a common term. It only came into common usage in the 80s.

    America is one big conspiracy. Look at benghazi. First, official sources....obama and clinton, said people were enraged because of an anti muslim film.

    While I could point to a number of conspiracies that are real (Iran-Contra being a very easy example here) and there are countries where it's impossible to understand events there without believing in conspiracies (Turkey, Pakistan and Italy), Benghazi was not a conspiracy and it kind of points to the limitations of a conspiratorial way of thinking. The story in Benghazi was that the CIA had captured a militia leader and were torturing him in their base, and the guy's militia attacked the embassy (where the CIA were based) to try and get him back. The cover up was because this story was incredibly embarrassing (and also because the CIA probably lied to Hillary Clinton about it initially).

    Yes , we created al qaeda.

    This isn't really true. The US helped make Jihadists a more potent force in Afghanistan by providing training/resources, but the main source of them were the Gulf states and the Saudis. Certainly the use of them in Afghanistan was incredibly cynical (and in retrospect very dangerous), but the US were using an existing resource. I think if were to point the finger at a single source for Al-Quaeda it would be the Saudi government (who keep power by making deals with Salafists) and various Gulf state billionaires.

    The state/justice department actually came up with the name Al-Quaeda in an indictment for the original WTC bombing when they were trying to put together a conspiracy charge. As an organization there's not much evidence that Al-Quaeda really existed until after 9/11, which made Bin Ladin a star (he was not hugely significant in the ME prior to that - and there are some amusing stories about him getting his ass kicked in the Sudan in the 90s by other Salafists).

    The CIA did ally with Al-Quaeda in Syria, which is amusing because the Pentagon were simultaneously trying to destroy them. At various points in Syria Pentagon forces were fighting with CIA forces. Also Al-Quaeda forces are being used by the Saudis (who are being supported by the US in various ways) in Yemen.

    We also did 911.

    There is zero evidence for this. 9/11 was the plan of Mohamed Atta, who shopped it around to various groups in the ME to get funding. Bin Ladin liked it and provided funds (both directly, and also by giving them access to Gulf state money), though he didn't really do it in any meaningful sense of the word. The Salafist wing of Saudi intelligence, which exists because the Saudi royal family has an arrangement with the extremists in order to keep power, provided them with resources to get them into the US and flight training (and also helped cover up what they were doing). The CIA, because they work closely with Saudi intelligence, helped cover up what the Saudis did (not realizing that they were planning a terrorist attack on US soil) because that's kind of what the CIA had been doing for their embarrassing allies for 20-30 years. After 9/11 I think they realized that this had the potential to be a huge scandal, which is why the official report has some pretty major holes in it... A lot of this has slowly come out in the last 20 years thanks to the law suit brought by 9/11 families against Saudi Arabia, though it's got very limited coverage in the US press.

    Univ of Alaska last year released a peer reviewed paper based on a finite element study that wtc 7 didn't fall because of office fires. Controlled demolished.

    The first sentence is true. The second sentence is false. They made no claims about what caused it to collapse, and when interviewed have simply said they think there needs to be more investigation as they think it has important implications for the design of high rises. In other words they think there is some hitherto not understood structural issue, and that engineers/scientists should investigate it (This is actually very common whenever a big engineering failure occurs). They've been pretty explicit that they don't see this as support for the controlled explosives hypothesis.

    Also peer reviewed doesn't mean it's necessarily true. It just means they don't make any obvious incorrect arguments. In science and engineering you will typically find multiple theories flying around, with one gradually reaching consensus. Not being a structural engineer I couldn't tell you if this is a controversial theory, or even one that holds up to further analysis.

    This is your, and americans problem....you have no use for truth.

    Possibly, but I think your problem is you believe anything that confirms your biases, and disbelieve anything that contradicts them. I have no problem with analyzing conspiracies, and I find the work of Peter Dale Scott, or interesting even if I often disagree with him. But if you're going to analyze them you have to apply the same level of skepticism that you'd apply to anything else.

    Wow! Very impressive refutation.

    I second that!

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