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Yes you have the right to believe whatever you want. That doesn't make your beliefs legitimate or correct. You have the right to believe that 2 + 2 = 5 or that the Earth is flat.
I don't question your RIGHT to believe things. I question the truth of your beliefs. Questioning someone's beliefs does not deny them the right to have their beliefs.
I do believe that when people publicly state beliefs or facts in a discussion that are questionable that it is reasonable to question them. If people don't question their beliefs then they will get stuck believing a lot of things that aren't true.
I believe that one thinking only becomes richer and less prone to solipsism when one is able to question one's own beliefs and also defend them.
I read Mitch McConnell’s words differently, doesn’t mean I’m right, but I took his careful wording to mean that Trump has the right to contest what he wants to contest. Which he does, even though all the attempts thus far have gone nowhere. When they all fail, McConnell won’t be able to be accused of not supporting Trump’s right, but he did say that there would be a peaceful transition of the office of the vote indicates that.
I am no fan of Mitch McConnell, I find it hard to believe I’m feeling this way, but if I look at it objectively, that’s the message I got.
But, we will see how it goes. I think I just have faith that the results that are obvious (that Biden won) will eventually outlast all of this nonsense, which Trump told us he was going to do. I hope and pray that I’m right about that.
Then riddle my this RMSman...
That is a very condescending statement. You are basically saying that certain people are superior to others so that people that share your beliefs are correct and other people are poor uneducated souls that simply don't understand what is "true"
I think it’s simpler than that. Mitch realizes that if trump voters don’t come out strong in Georgia for the run off elections then he will lose his power and majority leader status. He has to throw a bone to the new base of the Republican Party and keep them ginned up so he’s playing it coy.
I like how you immediately insuinate that I believe the earth is flat because I don't share your personal beliefs.
Do you believe in Christianity, Judiasm, Buddhism or Islam? Do you walk around questioning everyone's religious beliefs because they don't align with your world view?
Believe whatever you want but you are arguing with strangers on the internet about opinions not facts
Anyway the wind blows.
"What will make me the most money and who might protect me from my innumerable criminal acts?!?!?!"
As always, McConnell (and Barr is similar) will say things whose literal meaning is very bland but when put into context is anything but.
It is unprecedented to act as if there is widespread fraud. His party has used a lot of inflammatory rhetoric in recent days about theft. McConnell has made no attempt to calm the waters. He issues a bland statement that does nothing to discourage this.
For those that don't know, the longer that the government takes to approve the transition office space and funds, the more difficult it is for a seamless transition. It is unprecedented for the current government to hold up the transition (with no indication that they will relent) in the way that they have. It is McConnell's style to be as bland as possible even if his choices have hugely impactful.
Hilary Clinton, like a grownup and American invested in her country, knew it was the honorable thing to do, after losing an election that turned on close to 70,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. She lost Michigan by 10,000 votes and accepted the results. (It was close, but 10,000 is a lot of votes.)
Related: Biden is up in Pennsylvania by more than 45,000 votes. There are fewer than 44,000 remaining. IT IS OVER.
The fuck is wrong with you people?
It's not a riddle. None of these people care about you or me. Anyone that wants to be in politics are egomaniacs that want as much power and money as possible. That's why it doesn't really matter who the president is and anyone who is letting their lives be dominated by politics are wasting their precious time on earth. I've been alive for almost 50 years and I can tell you my personal life has never been effected by who the president was or who was in office in any political/government position
I DID NOT INSINUATE that you think the earth is flat. Not one bit. You said you had the right to believe what you want. That is true. But when debating facts one's right is irrelevant as regards what the truth is. I was simply using an extreme to make the point that having a right to a belief is not the same as the belief being well founded.
No one has questioned your right to believe anything. You implied that having your beliefs questioned somehow implies that you don't have a right to believe what you want. Having a right to believe what one wants in no way elevates one's beliefs to being of equal merit to all other beliefs.
I would also say that making it hard for Trump to push through his agenda (which was opposed by the majority of Americans) is in no way similar Trump and GOP acting as if Biden's election is a fraud.
Ok, now cough, Bill...
You're looking for a father, I get it. I'm sorry this one didn't love you.
Seriously? That's what you took from that? Dude, if you want to believe in "factual relativism" then go on with your bad self. No offense intended.
More condescending comments. Stop projecting
What interests me the most is why you or anyone else here cares so much about what I believe. Thank you, I've never felt so important in my life!
Because I care about my country, the Constitution that was surely informed by the best impulses of humankind, and all of the people who we call neighbors. But you are bumming me out so back to making music. Good luck--and I mean it.
BTW, Real Clear Politics which is an aggregator that works on facts not opinion has not called the election yet:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
They also published an editorial today stating that the media should not have called the election for Biden yet:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/11/10/the_media_should_not_have_called_this_election_144624.html
If you care about the United States you should care about free speech and free thought and everyone being able to believe what they want without belittling those who you don't agree with
RealClear might normally be fact based but your link points to a commentary piece (means opinion not facts) by a right winger so what do you expect it’s going to say. Duh!
Yes but they have the electoral count at 259-214. I believe that Biden will be the president and I personally don't care who is the president. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous all of this is. It's ridiculous that regular people are ready to go to war and/or try to ruin the lives of other regular people over what politician wins a popularity contest when none of these people have any of our best interests in mind.
For someone who pretends not to care who the president is, you seem to care an awful lot, enough to keep posting.
I’m not sure I’d call right wing militias who want to start a civil war, “regular” people. Is that like good people on both sides?
Here's Trump's entire "very fine" people press conference for reference because I'm sure you have only heard the edited sound bites and misquotes posted on in memes:
People listening to sound bites and propaganda is why we have so much division in this country
And here's a super cut of Trump condemning white supremacists dozens of times over the years
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/10/supercut_president_trump_condemns_white_supremacy.html
Give it up dude. We’ve all seen the full original video and we know what he said and what he meant. It’s not rocket science or a conspiracy theory. You’re digging your own hole here, by all means keep it up.
Don't let yourself be manipulated by the media...dude
Well, Faux News has obviously manipulated you, @rms13....
So sad.
Very very unfair.
Hilarious you’re making less sense with each post. So me watching the complete original video and clearly hearing what was said and then making up my own mind about it is somehow me being manipulated by the media? WTF?
If you’re going to argue with someone you need to at least make some sense or you really have nothing at all.
RealClear is described by many to be "right-of-center" (even on its Wikipedia page). It's founder is a well known Conservative. So I seriously doubt this site works solely on "facts" as their founders are not Centrists.
@rms13 : you say that you could care less who is the president and that it doesn't affect your life. That being the case, why are you arguing in favor of Trump?
It is certainly your right to prefer him, but I don't buy the "who the president is makes no difference" being your actual attitude since you seem to feel strongly about the matter.
I'd also suggest that if Trump hadn't been President that the pandemic would have played out differently here in the U.S..
I also don't understand someone jumping into a conversation where people have been questioning and challenging each others' beliefs and statements and then being annoyed that people are questioning and challenging their beliefs.
The NYT, hated equally by the left and the right, does it’s best to answer the question. WAS THERE ELECTION FRAUD. The reporters called election officials in every state. None reported even one instance of fraud.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html