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It must the naming or mentioning Novation products. I still think it’s plain stupid and abusive.
Midi CC, SYSEX, etc were not invented by Novation. It’s not like you’re hacking their products but using communication standards.
If someone made a Lemur or TouchOSC project that worked. Would they be breaking any rules?. What rules?. At the very least it’s shady.
Fwiw I love the Novation Circuit. I dont use it much now because it doesnt quite fit with my setup but I believe it is a high quality piece of equipment. The design is so well thought out as to make me venture to say it is an instrument. Novation did everything they could to support this revolutionary line and the firmware updates were regular and always very good and sometime amazing.
I really like the circuit as a midi controller, the knobs feel very responsive and smooth. So much so that I bought the Novation LCXL to control AUM and Drambo
Of course they are a big company and just cos they did the above well if the support is not there when you need it it would sour the purchase.
If Novation lawyers dont want 'authorise' this product it is a shame but there are many aspects when rating a company.
I think people are jumping to some conclusions without having seen either the proposed App Store description or name or correspondence between the dev and Novation.
I have found them to be pretty reasonable to their customers. Good build quality. Good warranties. They were quite responsive when I had a problem.
Well if you don't want an awesome Novation controller, then settle for what is out there—they have some of the best Midi Controllers on the Market when it comes to features and flexibility.
I still don't know 'WHY' this app can't be released. Nothing in this thread indicates that Novation is 'blocking' the dev from releasing it. I feel like we're only seeing half, or a quarter of the overall story.
One of reasons why i sold Circuit and never look back.. I don't like when company is greedy ..
Where does it indicate that they are being Greedy? I don't see that from what has been posted so far. It's all very vague and full of conjecture. Even the Reply post snapshot above is out of context. What was Novation on fb replying to as a Request?
I guess I'd just like to see where it was stated that Novation blocked the Dev releasing the app, and if so, why they came to such a conclusion....none of this has been shown...but everyone seems quick to throw Novation under the bus based on what clearly illustrated info?
"Why did they say NO?" is my question.
If they aren’t going to allow third party editors then I wish they’d at least release their own. I hate having to load up my ancient pc to re-edit my launchpad layout when doing it on iOS would be way more convenient
As has been pointed out in this thread, there is an iOS editor that supports launchpads. So,clearly there is more to the story —which may be nothing more than how the app was described and how the two parties communicated with each other about it.
I've had 0 issues with their customer support. They've even sent me old firmwares of devices decades old that are no longer supported by them or downloadable from their website
Im pretty sure apple has stated previously that if there is a branding issue (i.e. using novations trademarked name, or cloning interfaces, or anyway trying to appear as 'the official app' when its from a 3rd party) that they will step in and deny if the trademark owner wishes.
That being said, i cant see apple finding this out on their own w/o being tipped off. Like he reached out to novation 1st and said "i made this i'd like your seal and blessing" and they said nope...and then the inevitable "fine i'll do it anyway".
regardless, no one is talking what happened and there no point in writing off a decent product because some 3rd party app isnt getting released when theres already existing solutions. Novation already offers the programmers reference with all the implemented midi and how to access it. Some products they even encourage to upload custom firmware.
Thanks for stating what I’ve been thinking about this matter. It all seems a bit like a red herring to me. Much ado about nothing…
Myself also in regards to 0 issues.
I bought both my Launchpad X and LaunchControl XL second hand.
I contacted them with the serial numbers and receipts
and they sent me the codes for the relevant software for both.
I haven’t had to use the software because it’s desktop only and I’m only using iOS at the moment.
That may change in the future.
One of the faders went on the LaunchControl XL and the knobs started getting worn down.
I contacted their tech department and they sent two replacement faders
and eight replacement knobs.
The spare parts arrived within days of me contacting them free of charge.
I sent them a video of what I was doing with both controllers and they really liked it
and for the video I used a Third party which is dRambo.
I posted up my video on their FB page with no complaints.
I also met one of the original designers of the Launchpad Pro
at a place called Music HackSpace here in London.
Nice guy.
I don’t know what the reasons are behind them not approving the app for the Circuit
but overall my experience with them so far continues to be rather positive.
I also like their ethics in regards to gender and overall diversity.
It’s a good company.
The running theory was that Novation probably did not want to give permission to someone to make an app, beyond their control, that could inadvertently brick someones hardware.
Interesting theory. But if a 3rd party dev could Brick a Circuit synth then that means Novation would have to patch their firmware to fix this potential compromise of security and stability…and then hire that dev for their stellar Kung Fu…since we’re theorizing all of this 🤔
What is that old Bad News Bears quote on Assumptions?
My grandmother always said I’d get frustrated with this world for being an eternal optimist.
Considering that they permitted users to hack their
original LaunchPad this may actually not be to far from the truth.
Don’t know about this one yet.🧐
I like optimists. 😁
True. But they could have just told him not to do this and fix the issue.
“One should never assume. It only makes an ass out of u and me…”🤪
Nice to meet you 👊🏼™️
Agreed.
Some people are long winded.
Oh that one.... Doh!!!! 🤪
Likewise.
Ommmmm🙏🏾™️
Maybe we should just group buy his code and silently submit it
Midi Synth Control.
https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/midisynth-control/id1366849280
It does exactly what Components does except update the firmware.
I use it all the time.
I’ve been posting up about that frikkin app for ages.
Facepalm.
Lolololol
AHAHA! it slipped under my radar and I forgot about it honestly...Sorry man...I'll make it up to you once I get a chance
Maybe when Scalar 2 comes out 
Yup, I found it easier to use than Components as you can run
it in the background whilst doing other stuff when using the ipad.
I use it when putting together projects in dRambo.
Yup, you can configure scales via the keyboard widget but
you won’t be able to extend beyond the range of the pads
themselves like we can do when using the LP X in Note mode.
It certainly does make things easier.
I put together my own step sequencer using dRambo and with the
inbuilt scales mode on the LP X itself I’m not fussed about the lack of chords mode.
In actual fact, again using dRambo, another user has put together a chords project
that covers quite a few chords including inversions and other voicings.
The LP X is quite a versatile controller.
So, there is a simpler explanation, which comes down to branding and copyright.
1) The app was called Circuitry. Note that it includes their brand name. They (or their lawyers) can easily say that this meant to impersonate their brand or represent them, which it doesn't but someone could misunderstand that it's associated with Novation. And if the app causes an issue, out of a user's stupidity (because we are just talking about sysex), it could damage their reputation because a user thinks this app is by them not a third party.
2) Also the app mimicked aspects of the circuit interface which can also be claimed as copyright infringement
3) I'm not a lawyer nor know the actual story, but if the app was named differently or had modifications to the UX, then it could have been released possibly. There were other Circuit editors on iOS already. Perhaps the dev had already invested too much time or resources in the app and it wasn't worth changing because of these issues. Again, I don't know what exactly happened.
Very good points.
Hrmmm...from this description alone, it does sound like you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express at some point in your journey around the sun though
Haha, I've interacted with enough contracts to fake one on TV.
hm, ok, fair point.
What about sideloading with iPadOS 17? Do third party apps still need permissions?
For those who are still looking for a decent Novation Circuit editor on the IPad in 2024:
I released NC Editor, it's based on touchOSC, so it will run on all major platforms including IOS!
The app supports both Circuit Tracks and OG Circuit.
Read more about it here on audiob.us
or visit the store