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  • Jeez, I’ve never considered MTS...I may get it and just dive into both that and n-tracks...They both don’t seem to have the baked in limitations of Cubasis, an app that Steenberg does not wanna make TOO good as to not cannibalize Cubase itself..

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Littlewoodg : Why ?

    Feature set, dev support, stability > @Telstar5 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @cian said:
    Yeah I've always been intrigued by MTS, but it's quite a bit of money for something I suspect I wouldn't get on with.

    I've basically come to terms with the fact that Nanostudio will probably never have audio or effect automation.

    Not to hijack the thread but- MTS is free to try on Mac, PC. The main difference between these and iOS version is that the iOS version is more streamlined and a bit faster to use. For me it’s the best of all the linear iOS DAWs.

    It’s not universal though..Feature wise MTR seems similar to n-tracks pro

    Deep dive the AppStore description of MTS, it’s really much deeper than almost all the iOS stuff. But yeah, no iPhone version...

    Competition in that category is pretty stiff: Cubasis 3, Audio Evolution Mobile. Workflow and otherwise I’m inclined towards FLSM on iPhone (or iMPC Pro 2 lately, which is another workflow altogether)

    @Littlewoodg : I did a feature comparison between MTS and NTracks and they came out even it seems. NTracks even has a bass amp sim..

  • On my Pro the free version is slow as hell. I press a button and I can smoke a cigarette before it works😂 it is not for me

  • edited December 2020

    @Telstar5 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Littlewoodg : Why ?

    Feature set, dev support, stability > @Telstar5 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @cian said:
    Yeah I've always been intrigued by MTS, but it's quite a bit of money for something I suspect I wouldn't get on with.

    I've basically come to terms with the fact that Nanostudio will probably never have audio or effect automation.

    Not to hijack the thread but- MTS is free to try on Mac, PC. The main difference between these and iOS version is that the iOS version is more streamlined and a bit faster to use. For me it’s the best of all the linear iOS DAWs.

    It’s not universal though..Feature wise MTR seems similar to n-tracks pro

    Deep dive the AppStore description of MTS, it’s really much deeper than almost all the iOS stuff. But yeah, no iPhone version...

    Competition in that category is pretty stiff: Cubasis 3, Audio Evolution Mobile. Workflow and otherwise I’m inclined towards FLSM on iPhone (or iMPC Pro 2 lately, which is another workflow altogether)

    @Littlewoodg : I did a feature comparison between MTS and NTracks and they came out even it seems. NTracks even has a bass amp sim..

    Stuff I find crucial in MTS: sampler, converts midi to audio tracks and audio to midi tracks, timestretch for midi and audio tracks, score editor, multi-midi editor including drum and score edition, song editor, tempo/time sig track editors, tempo editor processes audio tracks, midi cc editor, multi band compressor, de-esser, convolution reverb, rotor, sidechaining, load custom speaker IR in guitar amp sim, supports Bluetooth midi LE and Bluetooth audio, fx master channel and instrument automation, punch in and sound on sound audio recording, supports AUv3 midi fx (N-track might?), drag and drop for audio, midi and sample import

    I find the audio track (and sampler) editor to be the best on iOS.

    but horses for courses as my friend Johnny Goodyear says. N-track has some cool things, I tried 9 but it wasn’t my thang, though it’s a huge step forward from 7 and 8

    No count in for recording on MTS is weird. Didn’t notice, (not that useful for me - I know that’s odd) but I asked Mr Bremmers to add it, we’ll see. He’s pretty good about user requests, hence the sampler, and multi-midi editor.

  • edited December 2020

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Littlewoodg : Why ?

    Feature set, dev support, stability > @Telstar5 said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @cian said:
    Yeah I've always been intrigued by MTS, but it's quite a bit of money for something I suspect I wouldn't get on with.

    I've basically come to terms with the fact that Nanostudio will probably never have audio or effect automation.

    Not to hijack the thread but- MTS is free to try on Mac, PC. The main difference between these and iOS version is that the iOS version is more streamlined and a bit faster to use. For me it’s the best of all the linear iOS DAWs.

    It’s not universal though..Feature wise MTR seems similar to n-tracks pro

    Deep dive the AppStore description of MTS, it’s really much deeper than almost all the iOS stuff. But yeah, no iPhone version...

    Competition in that category is pretty stiff: Cubasis 3, Audio Evolution Mobile. Workflow and otherwise I’m inclined towards FLSM on iPhone (or iMPC Pro 2 lately, which is another workflow altogether)

    @Littlewoodg : I did a feature comparison between MTS and NTracks and they came out even it seems. NTracks even has a bass amp sim..

    Stuff I find crucial in MTS: sampler, converts midi to audio tracks and audio to midi tracks, timestretch for midi and audio tracks, score editor, multi-midi editor including drum and score edition, song editor, tempo/time sig track editors, tempo editor processes audio tracks, midi cc editor, multi band compressor, de-esser, convolution reverb, rotor, sidechaining, load custom speaker IR in guitar amp sim, supports Bluetooth midi LE and Bluetooth audio, fx master channel and instrument automation, punch in and sound on sound audio recording...

    I find the audio track (and sampler) editor to be the best on iOS.

    but horses for courses as my friend Johnny Goodyear says. N-track has some cool things, I tried 9 but it wasn’t my thang, though it’s a huge step forward from 7 and 8

    No count in for recording on MTS is weird. Didn’t notice, (not that useful for me - I know that’s odd) but I asked Mr Bremmers to add it, we’ll see. He’s pretty good about user requests, hence the sampler, and multi-midi editor.

    Cheers for putting that request in. What I do at the moment with MTS is very clunky - I add the click track as midi, start playing after two bars of clicks, then ultimately delete those two bars in the song editor. It works, but it’s an irritating process. I’d agree, though, that MTS does a lot of things extremely well.

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    Stuff I find crucial in MTS: sampler, converts midi to audio tracks and audio to midi tracks, timestretch for midi and audio tracks, score editor, multi-midi editor including drum and score edition, song editor, tempo/time sig track editors, tempo editor processes audio tracks, midi cc editor, multi band compressor, de-esser, convolution reverb, rotor, sidechaining, load custom speaker IR in guitar amp sim, supports Bluetooth midi LE and Bluetooth audio, fx master channel and instrument automation, punch in and sound on sound audio recording, supports AUv3 midi fx (N-track might?), drag and drop for audio, midi and sample import

    I find the audio track (and sampler) editor to be the best on iOS.

    Yeah if it wasn't for the limits on effects/buses I'd have bought it years ago I think. It's a shame as the desktop one doesn't have these limitations.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Jeez, I’ve never considered MTS...I may get it and just dive into both that and n-tracks...They both don’t seem to have the baked in limitations of Cubasis, an app that Steenberg does not wanna make TOO good as to not cannibalize Cubase itself..

    @Telstar5 Don’t want to make this thread derailed any more..... but I am curious for your needs what are the limitations of CB3 that you are talking about?

  • The only thing that's really stopped me from buying N-track so far were concerns about stability. Sounds like that isn't an issue any more. And the step sequencer is REALLY good. Multitrackstudio also looks interesting, but really can't afford both. Decisions, decisions...

  • I say N-Track

  • @onerez said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Jeez, I’ve never considered MTS...I may get it and just dive into both that and n-tracks...They both don’t seem to have the baked in limitations of Cubasis, an app that Steenberg does not wanna make TOO good as to not cannibalize Cubase itself..

    @Telstar5 Don’t want to make this thread derailed any more..... but I am curious for your needs what are the limitations of CB3 that you are talking about?

    Mixer functions... N-Track oro has 10 gigabytes of sounds.. I don’t know Cubasis that well but just from what I read on here .

  • edited December 2020

    Does N-track support Midi AUV3 filters/generators? Not a deal breaker I guess.

    But yeah, this does seem like the closest thing I'll find to AUM, but in a DAW.

  • @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    Stuff I find crucial in MTS: sampler, converts midi to audio tracks and audio to midi tracks, timestretch for midi and audio tracks, score editor, multi-midi editor including drum and score edition, song editor, tempo/time sig track editors, tempo editor processes audio tracks, midi cc editor, multi band compressor, de-esser, convolution reverb, rotor, sidechaining, load custom speaker IR in guitar amp sim, supports Bluetooth midi LE and Bluetooth audio, fx master channel and instrument automation, punch in and sound on sound audio recording, supports AUv3 midi fx (N-track might?), drag and drop for audio, midi and sample import

    I find the audio track (and sampler) editor to be the best on iOS.

    Yeah if it wasn't for the limits on effects/buses I'd have bought it years ago I think. It's a shame as the desktop one doesn't have these limitations.

    The groups in MTS are fx buses...

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    The groups in MTS are fx buses...

    Sure but you're limited to 8 right? And you can only have 3 effects per track?

  • @onerez said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Jeez, I’ve never considered MTS...I may get it and just dive into both that and n-tracks...They both don’t seem to have the baked in limitations of Cubasis, an app that Steenberg does not wanna make TOO good as to not cannibalize Cubase itself..

    @Telstar5 Don’t want to make this thread derailed any more..... but I am curious for your needs what are the limitations of CB3 that you are talking about?

    I bought CB3 and wish I hadn't. What can CB3 do that Zenbeats can't?
    Zenbeats is cheaper. Has more sounds included. Step sequencer!. Clip mode. Really easy audio stretching...
    Both of them suck at audio editing. That's Auria undisputed territory. I seriously can't see where CB3 excels.
    I'd say the most "mature" Daw is BM3, but the workflow is unique, doesn't really click.
    I love Zenbeats for the clip mode and drum sequencer, but to be honest there's not a Ios DAW that is "just right". Auria would be the closest (haven't tried MTS or n-track) but the UI is not friendly, it doesn't scream "play".

    How are MTS and n-track in audio editing capabilities?.
    BTW the midi looping looks really useful, it's basic. If you don't have a clip mode (ala ableton live) at the very least you need looping.

  • @Charlesalbert said:
    On my Pro the free version is slow as hell. I press a button and I can smoke a cigarette before it works😂 it is not for me

    But if you’re a smoker you’re used to latency. You smoke a pack today, but it’s YEARS before it has its real effect.

    (Ex smoker talking...)

  • Audio evolution is also quite decent now.

  • @purpan2 said:

    @Charlesalbert said:
    On my Pro the free version is slow as hell. I press a button and I can smoke a cigarette before it works😂 it is not for me

    But if you’re a smoker you’re used to latency. You smoke a pack today, but it’s YEARS before it has its real effect.

    (Ex smoker talking...)

    @purpan2 said:

    @Charlesalbert said:
    On my Pro the free version is slow as hell. I press a button and I can smoke a cigarette before it works😂 it is not for me

    But if you’re a smoker you’re used to latency. You smoke a pack today, but it’s YEARS before it has its real effect.

    (Ex smoker talking...)

    LMAO!!!!!

  • @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    The groups in MTS are fx buses...

    Sure but you're limited to 8 right? And you can only have 3 effects per track?

    2 fx on track to the group, 3 on group track. It’s not a limit I’ve pushed but beyond that is only Auria Pro. Which is an awesome chunk of software, but MTS is far more fluid for me

    @tahiche said:
    How are MTS and n-track in audio editing capabilities?

    MTS has the best audio track editing of any of the 5 (6?) DAWs I have. And because MTS has a sampler, the track editing serves the sampler as well

  • @Littlewoodg : Thanks for your input here. I’m gonna stick w n-Tracks for now but damn I never knew MTS was so capable . I’m probably gonna throw down for the pro version soon and learn both DAWS. They both seem to kill CB3 and even NS2 in some ways. And they’re only gonna get better. MTS definitely needs more video support but the manual seems quite good despite the lack of screenshots . And the developer seems on the case . AgaIn thanks for your knowlagabow input

  • MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @tahiche said:
    How are MTS and n-track in audio editing capabilities?

    MTS has the best audio track editing of any of the 5 (6?) DAWs I have. And because MTS has a sampler, the track editing serves the sampler as well

    Including Auria?. How do they compare?. It wouldn’t be fair to say Auria is better at audio editing than CB3, Zenbeats or other daws, because other daws simply don’t have audio editing.
    I wish there was a test version, I’ve spent enough on DAWs... Is there a good overview/tutorial on MTS you’d recommend?. Specially interested in what’s possible with audio editing, something that’s totally neglected in most daws.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    It’s $60? Nahh ....It’s half that

    Sure the base version, but the > @Littlewoodg said:

    @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    The groups in MTS are fx buses...

    Sure but you're limited to 8 right? And you can only have 3 effects per track?

    2 fx on track to the group, 3 on group track. It’s not a limit I’ve pushed but beyond that is only Auria Pro. Which is an awesome chunk of software, but MTS is far more fluid for me

    Sure - I just know it's a limit that I regularly push through when doing sound design. Audio editing on that other hand is not a huge deal for me.

    And actually the only DAW I can think of which has this limit now is Cubasis. AEM even has a nice audio chain interface which is kind of neat.

    Anyway I bought NTS. I'm digging it so far. Some quirks, but I was surprised by how quickly I could get an idea up and running.

  • edited December 2020

    @purpan2 said:
    MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

    Double keyboard would be a good feature request...I’ll drop it onto the forum

    This is the link of y’all want to check out Mr Bremmers forum

    https://www.multitrackstudio.com/forum/

    And yes definitely GUI is very Soviet Brutalist in style. If you could call it a style. But very light on processing.

    @cian enjoy. Quirky is the word. There are a lot of features not dealt with in the manual (not so much hidden as un-obvious).

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @purpan2 said:
    MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

    Double keyboard would be a good feature request...I’ll drop it onto the forum

    This is the link of y’all want to check out Mr Bremmers forum

    https://www.multitrackstudio.com/forum/

    And yes definitely GUI is very Soviet Brutalist in style. If you could call it a style. But very light on processing.

    @cian enjoy. Quirky is the word. There are a lot of features not dealt with in the manual (not so much hidden as un-obvious).

    I mean currently the piano roll baffles me so feels like a mistake honestly

  • edited December 2020

    @cian : What “quirks” do you speak of? Also I just realized this is NOT “multitrackstudio for iPad “? A d the forum won’t let me register . It keeps saying I’m a seeing the question wrong (price of MTS). MYS for iPad looks much more powerful and full featured.

  • @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @purpan2 said:
    MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

    Double keyboard would be a good feature request...I’ll drop it onto the forum

    This is the link of y’all want to check out Mr Bremmers forum

    https://www.multitrackstudio.com/forum/

    And yes definitely GUI is very Soviet Brutalist in style. If you could call it a style. But very light on processing.

    @cian enjoy. Quirky is the word. There are a lot of features not dealt with in the manual (not so much hidden as un-obvious).

    I mean currently the piano roll baffles me so feels like a mistake honestly

    The pianoroll works in a very similar way to Nanostudio’s pianoroll, if that helps.

  • @purpan2 said:

    @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @purpan2 said:
    MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

    Double keyboard would be a good feature request...I’ll drop it onto the forum

    This is the link of y’all want to check out Mr Bremmers forum

    https://www.multitrackstudio.com/forum/

    And yes definitely GUI is very Soviet Brutalist in style. If you could call it a style. But very light on processing.

    @cian enjoy. Quirky is the word. There are a lot of features not dealt with in the manual (not so much hidden as un-obvious).

    I mean currently the piano roll baffles me so feels like a mistake honestly

    The pianoroll works in a very similar way to Nanostudio’s pianoroll, if that helps.

    In Multitrackstudio? I can't work out how to draw a note...

  • @cian said:

    @purpan2 said:

    @cian said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @purpan2 said:
    MTS really is extremely capable. For actual playing of instruments with on-screen keyboard, n-track does have the advantage of a double keyboard layout. And the MTS interface is very austere and non-colourful. (It does have a certain Soviet-era Cold War charm.)

    Double keyboard would be a good feature request...I’ll drop it onto the forum

    This is the link of y’all want to check out Mr Bremmers forum

    https://www.multitrackstudio.com/forum/

    And yes definitely GUI is very Soviet Brutalist in style. If you could call it a style. But very light on processing.

    @cian enjoy. Quirky is the word. There are a lot of features not dealt with in the manual (not so much hidden as un-obvious).

    I mean currently the piano roll baffles me so feels like a mistake honestly

    The pianoroll works in a very similar way to Nanostudio’s pianoroll, if that helps.

    In Multitrackstudio? I can't work out how to draw a note...

    Long press, then it shows you the draw note option. I can't remember if it's a gesture up or down and I can't reach my ipad to check without disturbing the cat that's sitting on me, but a long press in the pianoroll will tell you.

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